Thanks to Trump & Briexit.. Russia's nightmare comes true.. unified European armed forces

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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818

    #1

    Thanks to Trump & Briexit.. Russia's nightmare comes true.. unified European armed forces

    https://qz.com/1127984/eu-army-bloc-...us-dependence/

    23 EU nations have agreed to join their military forces spending and work as one.
    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.
  • Steve Rupe
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2016
    • 3070

    #2
    Originally posted by crockett
    https://qz.com/1127984/eu-army-bloc-...us-dependence/

    23 EU nations have agreed to join their military forces spending and work as one.
    This is long overdue and will be interesting to me how well it works in practice.

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    • crockett
      in a van by the river
      • May 2003
      • 76818

      #3
      Originally posted by Steve Rupe
      This is long overdue and will be interesting to me how well it works in practice.
      Seems for now the focus will be unified weapon systems and training and making it easier to to move the military around Europe. I suspect they will also push heavy on building up their own Euro arms manufacturers.

      This is pretty much everything Putin was trying to avoid. Russia over did their propaganda war and their interference in other countries now they will soon pay the piper with unified Euro armies at their boarders.

      Trump basically weakened the US's power reach with his non sense and now the Euro's will step up..Trump essentially weakened the US as we will end up with less influence in Europe..
      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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      • GLMBV
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2014
        • 750

        #4
        Originally posted by crockett
        Seems for now the focus will be unified weapon systems and training and making it easier to to move the military around Europe. I suspect they will also push heavy on building up their own Euro arms manufacturers.

        This is pretty much everything Putin was trying to avoid. Russia over did their propaganda war and their interference in other countries now they will soon pay the piper with unified Euro armies at their boarders.

        Trump basically weakened the US's power reach with his non sense and now the Euro's will step up..Trump essentially weakened the US as we will end up with less influence in Europe..

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        • ilnjscb
          Confirmed User
          • Jun 2009
          • 8958

          #5
          This was inevitable, and will be superseded in 15 - 20 years

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          • Sarn
            WWW
            • Sep 2015
            • 12587

            #6
            Original title

            The EU signed a ?historic? deal to integrate 23 armies to shake off its US dependence
            https://qz.com/1127984/eu-army-bloc-...us-dependence/
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            • Sarn
              WWW
              • Sep 2015
              • 12587

              #7
              >Euro armies at their boarders
              It is USA provocation for selling the weapon in EU and overpriced shell gas/oil(for make goods from EU lowest competitive and expensive). For EU such conflict was disaster always. For USA it Profit.
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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942

                #8
                The EU denied they were planning for an EU Army not so long ago.



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                • celandina
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 11777

                  #9
                  " Unified" European Force is an oxymoron like none other...

                  Just imagine...

                  Poles helping the Ukrainians
                  Serbs helping the Bosnians
                  Greeks helping the Albanians
                  Czechs to Slovaks
                  Hungarians to Slovaks.....etc etc..

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                  • slapass
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Nov 2002
                    • 14625

                    #10
                    I wonder what language they will use?

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                    • just a punk
                      So fuckin' bored
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 32385

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Sarn
                      The EU signed a “historic” deal to integrate 23 armies to shake off its US dependence
                      https://qz.com/1127984/eu-army-bloc-...us-dependence/
                      Indeed. They clearly tired of the US leadership in NATO and want their own army with blackjack and hookers. That's a good idea and I don't understand why some idiots consider it as a nightmare for my country...

                      Originally posted by slapass
                      I wonder what language they will use?
                      Russian
                      Obey the Cowgod

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                      • Neighbor
                        Confirmed User
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 1511

                        #12
                        Great, bring back our troops, reduce military expenses abroad, apply it to defending our own country, further education and better technology.

                        Our military costs exceed $150bn a year for 800 plus bases in 160 countries overseas, personnel and equipment. Granted, the EU cost isn't all of that number alone, but a large portion. That could provide secondary education for US citizens along with many other important issues facing the country today.

                        It's nice to support the overall mission of "good will and democracy" but at what cost?

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                        • JFK
                          FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                          • Jan 2002
                          • 67369

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                          The EU denied they were planning for an EU Army not so long ago.
                          Politicians, how do you know they lie ? They open their mouth

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                          • Neighbor
                            Confirmed User
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 1511

                            #14
                            Originally posted by JFK
                            Politicians, how do you know they lie ? They open their mouth
                            so true

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                            • Sarn
                              WWW
                              • Sep 2015
                              • 12587

                              #15
                              Originally posted by celandina
                              Poles helping the Ukrainians


                              Poland to ban Ukrainians with 'anti-Polish views'
                              https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...-idUSKBN1D21VI

                              Poland?s demand for £758bn world war reparations from Germany ?is serious?
                              https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...ious-z0vr60gn0

                              Russia warns Poland not to touch Soviet WW2 memorials
                              Russia warns Poland not to touch Soviet WW2 memorials - BBC News

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                              • crockett
                                in a van by the river
                                • May 2003
                                • 76818

                                #16
                                [QUO1TE=Paul Markham;22074232]The EU denied they were planning for an EU Army not so long ago.[/QUOTE]

                                That's because the UK wasn't aginst it, which is no longer a issue.
                                In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                • Barry-xlovecam
                                  It's 42
                                  • Jun 2010
                                  • 18083

                                  #17
                                  The EU is run by a large committee -- how they will present a common defense is to be seen.

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                                  • TheRock55
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Nov 2017
                                    • 302

                                    #18
                                    This crockett guy's obsession with Trump is unhealthy

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                                    • Paul&John
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2005
                                      • 8625

                                      #19
                                      Sounds like a good move.

                                      Originally posted by celandina
                                      " Unified" European Force is an oxymoron like none other...

                                      Just imagine...

                                      Poles helping the Ukrainians
                                      Serbs helping the Bosnians
                                      Greeks helping the Albanians
                                      Czechs to Slovaks
                                      Hungarians to Slovaks.....etc etc..
                                      Ukraine, Albania, Serbia nor Bosnia is a member state

                                      Czechs have no problems with Slovaks and vice-versa.
                                      Slovakian police officers were helping at Hungarian borders this or last year.
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                                      • CoolMikey
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jun 2017
                                        • 174

                                        #20
                                        It's about time US stopped subsidizing NATO, we are close to 75% of NATO budget even though no country in the world has any means of attacking the US, except by maybe sending nuke tipped ICBM our way, which no country is stupid enough to do.

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                                        • Tasty1
                                          Bla bla blaa
                                          • Jan 2005
                                          • 9529

                                          #21
                                          If there would have been an EU army already, we would have been in war with Russia now regarding the Ukrain. Baalen, Timmermans, Verhofstadt, and Juncker with an EU army = the new Napoleons that want to go to war.





                                          Giving these EU clowns an army is worse than Trump that could hit the wrong button.
                                          Would it be safer if these people control an EU army or would it be more dangerous?

                                          everything is fake

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                                          • klinton
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Apr 2003
                                            • 8766

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Paul&John
                                            Ukraine, Albania, Serbia nor Bosnia is a member state

                                            Czechs have no problems with Slovaks and vice-versa.
                                            Slovakian police officers were helping at Hungarian borders this or last year.


                                            WHAT HE SAID ! for the rest of us, EU commies, welcome to paradise of 60-70 % taxes

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                                            • klinton
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Apr 2003
                                              • 8766

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Bjorn_Tasty1
                                              If there would have been an EU army already, we would have been in war with Russia now regarding the Ukrain. Baalen, Timmermans, Verhofstadt, and Juncker with an EU army = the new Napoleons that want to go to war.





                                              Giving these EU clowns an army is worse than Trump that could hit the wrong button.
                                              Would it be safer if these people control an EU army or would it be more dangerous?
                                              heheh and this post is a great example why such army will be difficult task

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                                              • klinton
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Apr 2003
                                                • 8766

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Bjorn_Tasty1
                                                they look like a Politbiuro guys from USSR

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                                                • _Richard_
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                  • 30989

                                                  #25
                                                  should be funny to see how that works with europes second and third class citizens.. will salary depend on citizenship?

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                                                  • Sarn
                                                    WWW
                                                    • Sep 2015
                                                    • 12587

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                    should be funny to see how that works with europes second and third class citizens.. will salary depend on citizenship?
                                                    Ukrainians earn salary 50% lowest than Poles in Poland)))
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                                                    • Sarn
                                                      WWW
                                                      • Sep 2015
                                                      • 12587

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Bjorn_Tasty1
                                                      If there would have been an EU army already, we would have been in war with Russia now regarding the Ukrain. Baalen, Timmermans, Verhofstadt, and Juncker with an EU army = the new Napoleons that want to go to war.

                                                      Giving these EU clowns an army is worse than Trump that could hit the wrong button.
                                                      Would it be safer if these people control an EU army or would it be more dangerous?

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                                                      • Diomed
                                                        Converting like it's 1999
                                                        • Jan 2009
                                                        • 6167

                                                        #28
                                                        Who knows..

                                                        Perhaps there is a looming threat we are unaware of.. and the USA just wants another USA to step up to the table of accountability.

                                                        Unification of power is a step towards everyone plugging into the big picture IMHO.

                                                        Maybe just maybe that big picture is a fact of reality we are completely oblivious too. Time to turn your world view into a universal one fellas.
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                                                        • Sarn
                                                          WWW
                                                          • Sep 2015
                                                          • 12587

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by klinton
                                                          they look like a Politbiuro guys from USSR
                                                          Why "like a" if leader a communist
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                                                          • nico-t
                                                            emperor of my world
                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                            • 29901

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                            The EU denied they were planning for an EU Army not so long ago.
                                                            Exactly.

                                                            The EU's wish is a united states of Europe, with a central government controlling all those totally different people, cultures, economies, etc.

                                                            They always denied this to us, the people, but do it anyway. That fact alone tells you the EU is a dictatorship without a doubt. No matter what you think of their plan - they keep lying to us simple citizens while ignoring our voice and go on with their own plan. We are the cattle they're trying to divide with the war -> mass immigration vicious cycle.

                                                            Let the people you bomb come in without limits. The plan to destroy societies and nations, and to build the 4th reich on the ashes. Hail EU!



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                                                            • klinton
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                              • 8766

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Sarn
                                                              Ukrainians earn salary 50% lowest than Poles in Poland)))
                                                              RUSKIE !!! SINCE WHEN YOU BECAME A DEFENDER OF THE WEAK ?

                                                              roads built ? "MONI" SPENT ?

                                                              Ukrainians get similar money to Poles IF they work in similar jobs.

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                                                              • klinton
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Apr 2003
                                                                • 8766

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by nico-t
                                                                They always denied this to us, the people, but do it anyway. That fact alone tells you the EU is a dictatorship without a doubt. No matter what you think of their plan - they keep lying to us simple citizens while ignoring our voice and go on with their own plan. We are the cattle they're trying to divide with the war -> mass immigration vicious cycle.
                                                                I see no differences between EU and normal governments, and you ?
                                                                Unless you live in some fairytale country

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                                                                • klinton
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                  • 8766

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                  Why "like a" if leader a communist
                                                                  how about you, Russian ?

                                                                  still in the "Party" ?

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                                                                  • sperbonzo
                                                                    I'd rather be on my boat.
                                                                    • May 2003
                                                                    • 9750

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Anything that reduces the US military forces deployed overseas, and our expenditure on military, is a good thing. Our funding of NATO has been insanely high for far too long, and should have been cut as soon as Europe recovered from WWII by the 1960s.


                                                                    Personally, I think that this is just a move from the EU Parliament, (an unelected body comprised mostly of people who were appointed from countries in which they couldn't get themselves voted in...), in order to try to hold on to, and increase, its power over the member states, but that is a problem for the Europeans to try to deal with.



                                                                    Good luck with all that, btw....




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                                                                    • klinton
                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                      • 8766

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                                      Personally, I think that this is just a move from the EU Parliament, (an unelected body comprised mostly of people who were appointed from countries in which they couldn't get themselves voted in...), in order to try to hold on to, and increase, its power over the member states, but that is a problem for the Europeans to try to deal with. Good luck with all that, btw....


                                                                      btw. Euro Parlament is directly elected by EU citizens

                                                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament

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                                                                      • celandina
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Jun 2006
                                                                        • 11777

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Paul&John
                                                                        Sounds like a good move.



                                                                        Ukraine, Albania, Serbia nor Bosnia is a member state

                                                                        Czechs have no problems with Slovaks and vice-versa.
                                                                        Slovakian police officers were helping at Hungarian borders this or last year.
                                                                        The OP correctly identified "United European" not " United European Union"... However it is a mute point since all of the ones you've listed are "clobbering" to get into EU and likely be accepted, while others ( like Czechs) want out...it will be a "cluster fuck" :

                                                                        As to the Czechs and Slovaks Czechs are not too smart they just elected a Slovak ex commie secret police and a thief as their prime minister, they seem to have a collective amnesia

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                                                                        • rogueteens
                                                                          So fucking bland
                                                                          • Jul 2006
                                                                          • 8005

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                          Ukrainians earn salary 50% lowest than Poles in Poland)))
                                                                          Good, all the poles coming to the UK and vastly undercutting the indigenous workforce was one of the major reasons for people voting Brexit.
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                                                                          • rogueteens
                                                                            So fucking bland
                                                                            • Jul 2006
                                                                            • 8005

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by klinton
                                                                            I see no differences between EU and normal governments, and you ?
                                                                            Unless you live in some fairytale country
                                                                            Really?? You don't? Then I suggest you keep quiet and let the adult talk.
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                                                                            • sperbonzo
                                                                              I'd rather be on my boat.
                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                              • 9750

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by klinton


                                                                              btw. Euro Parlament is directly elected by EU citizens

                                                                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament

                                                                              My bad, meant to type EU council, not EU Parliament.





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                                                                              • klinton
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Apr 2003
                                                                                • 8766

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by rogueteens
                                                                                Really?? You don't? Then I suggest you keep quiet and let the adult talk.

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                                                                                • Sarn
                                                                                  WWW
                                                                                  • Sep 2015
                                                                                  • 12587

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                  RUSKIE !!! SINCE WHEN YOU BECAME A DEFENDER OF THE WEAK ?
                                                                                  roads built ? "MONI" SPENT ?
                                                                                  Ukrainians get similar money to Poles IF they work in similar jobs.
                                                                                  similar jobs

                                                                                  Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                  I see no differences between EU and normal governments, and you ?
                                                                                  Unless you live in some fairytale country

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                                                                                  • klinton
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                                                    • 8766

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by rogueteens
                                                                                    Good, all the poles coming to the UK and vastly undercutting the indigenous workforce was one of the major reasons for people voting Brexit.
                                                                                    got your point somehow... The only guys that took advantage of mass migration into UK were the guys that were already rich (business owners, owners of the flats to rent etc. ), not those average or low class Joes.

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                                                                                    • klinton
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                      • 8766

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                                      ....


                                                                                      1,2,3, back to work, fix the roads !

                                                                                      stop posting !

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                                                                                      • Sarn
                                                                                        WWW
                                                                                        • Sep 2015
                                                                                        • 12587

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                        got your point somehow... The only guys that took advantage of mass migration into UK were the guys that were already rich (business owners, owners of the flats to rent etc. ), not those average or low class Joes.
                                                                                        aristocrats ?

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                                                                                        • klinton
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                                                          • 8766

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                                          aristocrats ?
                                                                                          YES !!!

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                                                                                          • Sarn
                                                                                            WWW
                                                                                            • Sep 2015
                                                                                            • 12587

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                            YES !!!

                                                                                            It is good combat horse comrade. not be angry
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                                                                                            • klinton
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                                              • 8766

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                                              It is good combat horse comrade. not be angry

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