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  • wehateporn
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    • Apr 2007
    • 27176
    #1

    92% of Americans prefer Sweden's "socialistic" economic system


    ..."participants were shown three unlabeled pie charts meant to depict possible wealth distributions: one that was totally equal; one based on Sweden?s income distribution, which is highly egalitarian; and one based on the U.S. wealth distribution, which is wildly skewed toward the rich. (They used Swedish income data as a model, rather than wealth, to strike a ?clearer contrast? with the United States.)* Then, the subjects were told to pick where they would like to live, assuming they would be randomly assigned to a spot on the economic ladder. With their imaginary fate up to chance, 92 percent of Americans opted for Sweden?s pie chart over the United States."

    Americans have no idea how bad inequality is: New Harvard Business School study.
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    • 12clicks
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      • Jan 2001
      • 19816
      #2
      shocker! the bottom wants more than they're willing to work for
      I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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        • RebelR
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          #3
          I also heard that 99% of kids prefer candy to brussel sprouts.
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            • crockett
              in a van by the river
              • May 2003
              • 76818
              #4
              Wehateporn = paid Russian poster. All he does is post anti west/US propaganda.

              He fits right in with the reports of Kremlin paid trolls that have been in the news recently.
              In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                • woj
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 47880
                  #5
                  "Harvard Business School study"

                  no shit that everyone wants more...

                  kinda ironic though that when "rich" want to earn more it's called "greed"... but it's completely acceptable when everyone else wants more, without even earning it by forcing the "rich" to "share"...
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                    • Manfap
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                      • Jan 2013
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                      #6
                      That's why the rich Swedes move to Spain, and just visit Sweden.

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                        • Grapesoda
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                          • Jul 2003
                          • 46234
                          #7
                          Originally posted by RebelR
                          I also heard that 99% of kids prefer candy to brussel sprouts.
                          what kind of slow cooker recipes are you doing these days...? 123 at 456 dot bz

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                            • Barry-xlovecam
                              It's 42
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 18083
                              #8
                              According to you poll -- where workers think wages are fairest:
                              1. Poland
                              2. Austria
                              3. Portugal
                              4. Japan
                              5. Australia
                              6. France
                              7. United Kingdom
                              8. Israel
                              9. Germany
                              10. Denmark
                              11. Norway
                              12. Czech Republic
                              13. Switzerland
                              14. Sweden
                              15. Spain
                              16. United States


                              I would suggest that you immigrate to Poland

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                                • Grapesoda
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Jul 2003
                                  • 46234
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by wehateporn

                                  ..."participants were shown three unlabeled pie charts meant to depict possible wealth distributions: one that was totally equal; one based on Sweden?s income distribution, which is highly egalitarian; and one based on the U.S. wealth distribution, which is wildly skewed toward the rich. (They used Swedish income data as a model, rather than wealth, to strike a ?clearer contrast? with the United States.)* Then, the subjects were told to pick where they would like to live, assuming they would be randomly assigned to a spot on the economic ladder. With their imaginary fate up to chance, 92 percent of Americans opted for Sweden?s pie chart over the United States."

                                  Americans have no idea how bad inequality is: New Harvard Business School study.
                                  this should clear it up for you..

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                                    • ilnjscb
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                                      • Jun 2009
                                      • 8959
                                      #10
                                      "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" Louis Blanc, then Karl Marx

                                      It sounds good until you try to put it into practice. Then when you do, 50 million starve to death and 20 million are executed. Socialism looks good on paper, but it doesn't take human nature into account.

                                      Sweden, a small homogeneous population, may last longer under that model, but no socialist republic has lasted 100 years. Sweden has not even declared itself "socialist", the ruling party has been the Swedish Social Democratic Party for most of the time since 1945. So they're like a laid back church or a workplace with casual clothes; doesn't matter, in the end it doesn't last.

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                                        • Barry-xlovecam
                                          It's 42
                                          • Jun 2010
                                          • 18083
                                          #11
                                          Why aren't China, India and Russia in that poll?

                                          Too embarrassing -- wider income gaps? Lolz

                                          Bangladesh? Vietnam? Taiwan?
                                          Cherry picking with stats perhaps

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                                            • JFK
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                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 67369
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                              According to you poll -- where workers think wages are fairest:
                                              1. Poland
                                              2. Austria
                                              3. Portugal
                                              4. Japan
                                              5. Australia
                                              6. France
                                              7. United Kingdom
                                              8. Israel
                                              9. Germany
                                              10. Denmark
                                              11. Norway
                                              12. Czech Republic
                                              13. Switzerland
                                              14. Sweden
                                              15. Spain
                                              16. United States


                                              I would suggest that you immigrate to Poland
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                                                • woj
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                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                  • 47880
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                  Why aren't China, India and Russia in that poll?

                                                  Too embarrassing -- wider income gaps? Lolz

                                                  Bangladesh? Vietnam? Taiwan?
                                                  Cherry picking with stats perhaps
                                                  that wouldn't support the left-wing agenda, so any evidence that shows that US is actually pretty egalitarian compared to 90% of countries in the world needs to be supressed...
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                                                    • Sarn
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                      Wehateporn = paid Russian poster. All he does is post anti west/US propaganda.
                                                      He fits right in with the reports of Kremlin paid trolls that have been in the news recently.


                                                      Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                      "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" Louis Blanc, then Karl Marx

                                                      It sounds good until you try to put it into practice. Then when you do, 50 million starve to death and 20 million are executed. Socialism looks good on paper, but it doesn't take human nature into account.

                                                      Sweden, a small homogeneous population, may last longer under that model, but no socialist republic has lasted 100 years. Sweden has not even declared itself "socialist", the ruling party has been the Swedish Social Democratic Party for most of the time since 1945. So they're like a laid back church or a workplace with casual clothes; doesn't matter, in the end it doesn't last.
                                                      that feel when communizm dont work


                                                      and socialism too
                                                      ----

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                                                        • woj
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                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                          • 47880
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Sarn
                                                          that feel when communizm dont work


                                                          and socialism too
                                                          China has one of the lowest GDP per capita in the world, along with one of the highest income inequality....so yea, working great... for the elite...
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                                                            • Mutt
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                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 34431
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                              "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" Louis Blanc, then Karl Marx

                                                              It sounds good until you try to put it into practice. Then when you do, 50 million starve to death and 20 million are executed. Socialism looks good on paper, but it doesn't take human nature into account.

                                                              Sweden, a small homogeneous population, may last longer under that model, but no socialist republic has lasted 100 years. Sweden has not even declared itself "socialist", the ruling party has been the Swedish Social Democratic Party for most of the time since 1945. So they're like a laid back church or a workplace with casual clothes; doesn't matter, in the end it doesn't last.
                                                              Socialist doctrine is 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his DEEDS', Soviet Union operated under that tenet - it's the first stage. The Communist dream, a fucked up fever dream, was that stage 1 would be so successful, create such wealth, a utopian society of 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs'.

                                                              The irony is that the technology innovated from capitalist countries will create a better world where everybody's basic needs will be met. There is no doubt we are heading towards a society where there aren't jobs for many in society and they'll be paid a guaranteed income.
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                                                                • Barry-xlovecam
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                                                                  • Jun 2010
                                                                  • 18083
                                                                  #17
                                                                  I have good news and bad news for you:

                                                                  The good news is your are getting a basic income allowance of $400 per working person per month.

                                                                  The bad news is your new job is on a collective farm as a farm laborer.
                                                                  If you work you eat if not try and get by on $400 a month -- no food stamps no obamaphone.

                                                                  You get free healthcare (to the limits of the new farm labor department -- worker services division,) but only if you work or are disabled (really) or elderly.

                                                                  Welcome to your new Section 9 Farm Labor Housing -- rent is free.

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                                                                    • Sarn
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                                                                      • Sep 2015
                                                                      • 12656
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by woj
                                                                      China has one of the lowest GDP per capita in the world, along with one of the highest income inequality....so yea, working great... for the elite...
                                                                      they do not have so many colonies as usa
                                                                      Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                      Socialist doctrine is 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his DEEDS', Soviet Union operated under that tenet - it's the first stage. The Communist dream, a fucked up fever dream, was that stage 1 would be so successful, create such wealth, a utopian society of 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs'.
                                                                      Soviet Union be more great thal liberal capitalist Russia
                                                                      free medical care free education free homes - at that time it was at a decent level.
                                                                      but there was one problem
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                                                                        • Relic
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                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                          • 10294
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Twirl win Jones

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                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                              • 52942
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                              shocker! the bottom wants more than they're willing to work for
                                                                              The 1% want more than they're willing to work for, so have created the poor. To make that happen.

                                                                              Imagine more Americans having the money to pay you to repair their roofs.



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                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                  • 52942
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  If current trends continue people like 12clicks will be broke. Migrants will be fixing any roofs of the people with enough money.

                                                                                  Most here will be broke as Third World workers on very low wages do their jobs.

                                                                                  What do you do that a Third World worker can't do cheaper for a company that's owned by the 1%?

                                                                                  That's what Globalisation means.



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                                                                                    • CurrentlySober
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                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                      • 39042
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam

                                                                                      I would suggest that you immigrate to Poland
                                                                                      I'd lik 2 immigrate to Pooland
                                                                                      ️ ️

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                                                                                        • Relic
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                          • 10294
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                          created the poor
                                                                                          Meanwhile currently sober can only create the poo

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                                                                                            • 12clicks
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                              • 19816
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                              The 1% want more than they're willing to work for, so have created the poor. To make that happen.

                                                                                              Imagine more Americans having the money to pay you to repair their roofs.
                                                                                              we didn't create you, you failed. take responsibility for your place in life.
                                                                                              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                • woj
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                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                  • 47880
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                  The 1% want more than they're willing to work for, so have created the poor. To make that happen.
                                                                                                  what's kinda ironic is that you don't even realize (or choose to ignore the fact) that you are in the 1% yourself (on the global scale)...

                                                                                                  do you realize that 80% of the world population makes less than $5k/year? How do you feel about those people? what policies should we enact to solve that injustice? Simplest solution is to just tax the world's top 20%, which would include you, additional 10-20% and transfer that wealth to the poor? Would you be in favor of that?
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                                                                                                    • Sarn
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                                                                                                      • Sep 2015
                                                                                                      • 12656
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by woj
                                                                                                      what's kinda ironic is that you don't even realize (or choose to ignore the fact) that you are in the 1% yourself (on the global scale)...

                                                                                                      do you realize that 80% of the world population makes less than $5k/year? How do you feel about those people? what policies should we enact to solve that injustice? Simplest solution is to just tax the world's top 20%, which would include you, additional 10-20% and transfer that wealth to the poor? Would you be in favor of that?
                                                                                                      exactly
                                                                                                      why globalist be pay you if have cheap world workers > $5k/year in china ex.
                                                                                                      the rich will become richer - the poor will become more poorer. it main problem capitalism.
                                                                                                      And if capitalism is not regulated. as it is happening now.
                                                                                                      will not be such a crime to which will go for the money
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                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                          we didn't create you, you failed. take responsibility for your place in life.
                                                                                                          In the game of life, I won. Worked my 2 score and 10, built up enough money to retire and retired.

                                                                                                          You might be in the same boat, our children won't be. Their jobs will be done in the Third World even if they're high skilled. Or by machine. There's no point in spending extra money to educate them because there won't be jobs enough. Those that there are will go to the children of the 1%, not children of roofers.

                                                                                                          Speaking of roofs, how many will go for you or for a migrant worker, or even be able to afford to have a house?

                                                                                                          We're not there yet, but look further than your ass to see where it's heading.

                                                                                                          As for the market to buy imported goods. China will do fine for the 1%. Go back 150 years to see a parallel.



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                                                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                                              • 52942
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by woj
                                                                                                              what's kinda ironic is that you don't even realize (or choose to ignore the fact) that you are in the 1% yourself (on the global scale)...

                                                                                                              do you realize that 80% of the world population makes less than $5k/year? How do you feel about those people? what policies should we enact to solve that injustice? Simplest solution is to just tax the world's top 20%, which would include you, additional 10-20% and transfer that wealth to the poor? Would you be in favor of that?
                                                                                                              I don't give a fuck about those who live in countries that are so fucked they can't feed themselves.

                                                                                                              As for taxing the top 20%, why do you think the top 1% make sure they own Governments?

                                                                                                              50 years ago if you, or anyone reading this, bought something. It was odds on it was made in that country, the seller was a business owned by someone who worked at that place. Or at the Head Office in that country.

                                                                                                              Today the odds of anyone here buying something made in the West, from a company owned by anyone they could talk to is a memory. China builds for Boeing, has a Space Program and show no signs of slowing down their erosion of our economies.

                                                                                                              Try getting ahead when they're finished.



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                                                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                                                                  exactly
                                                                                                                  why globalist be pay you if have cheap world workers > $5k/year in china ex.
                                                                                                                  the rich will become richer - 90% will become more poorer. it main problem capitalism.
                                                                                                                  And if capitalism is not regulated. as it is happening now.
                                                                                                                  will not be such a crime to which will go for the money
                                                                                                                  Edited to make it correct.

                                                                                                                  When a major industry is casinos gambling with other people's money and invisible money. you know something's got to change.

                                                                                                                  They were selling 100% mortgages for 200%. How fucked up was that?

                                                                                                                  Now factor in the mortgage was to a guy who couldn't pay the original 100%.

                                                                                                                  The stupidest thing is people like 12clicks think they can take responsibility for their lives. They fail to realise they rely on everyone else getting a wage. Go visit places where very few get a decent wage. They're growing.



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                                                                                                                    • woj
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                                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                      I don't give a fuck about those who live in countries that are so fucked they can't feed themselves.
                                                                                                                      so a bum down the street who had every opportunity available to him, but failed to take advantage of it, should be helped at the expense of those harder working than him? but who "gives a fuck" about someone who of no fault of his own just happen to by bad luck be born in a poor country?
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                                                                                                                        • ilnjscb
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                                                                          exactly
                                                                                                                          why globalist be pay you if have cheap world workers > $5k/year in china ex.
                                                                                                                          the rich will become richer - the poor will become more poorer. it main problem capitalism.
                                                                                                                          And if capitalism is not regulated. as it is happening now.
                                                                                                                          will not be such a crime to which will go for the money
                                                                                                                          Monsieur Sarn, when communism or socialism is 150 years old, or has one country go one century without executing its leaders, get back to me.

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                                                                                                                            • RebelR
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                                                                                                              what kind of slow cooker recipes are you doing these days...? 123 at 456 dot bz
                                                                                                                              I need to slow cook more. Perhaps over the winter. Email sent!
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                                                                                                                                • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                  It's 42
                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                  • 18083
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Poland overtakes India as country of origin, UK migration statistics show - BBC News

                                                                                                                                  The Poles think it is so good there that they feel compelled to leave

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                                                                                                                                    • Sarn
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                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2015
                                                                                                                                      • 12656
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                      Monsieur Sarn, when communism or socialism is 150 years old, or has one country go one century without executing its leaders, get back to me.
                                                                                                                                      95 years

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                                                                                                                                        • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                          • 19816
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                          In the game of life, I won. Worked my 2 score and 10, built up enough money to retire and retired.

                                                                                                                                          You might be in the same boat, our children won't be. Their jobs will be done in the Third World even if they're high skilled. Or by machine. There's no point in spending extra money to educate them because there won't be jobs enough. Those that there are will go to the children of the 1%, not children of roofers.

                                                                                                                                          Speaking of roofs, how many will go for you or for a migrant worker, or even be able to afford to have a house?

                                                                                                                                          We're not there yet, but look further than your ass to see where it's heading.

                                                                                                                                          As for the market to buy imported goods. China will do fine for the 1%. Go back 150 years to see a parallel.
                                                                                                                                          It's so funny watching you prattle on, old fool.
                                                                                                                                          You're so far down the ladder I can barely see you.
                                                                                                                                          See, I can make roofing jokes too. Only mine are far more accurate
                                                                                                                                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 52942
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by woj
                                                                                                                                              so a bum down the street who had every opportunity available to him, but failed to take advantage of it, should be helped at the expense of those harder working than him? but who "gives a fuck" about someone who of no fault of his own just happen to by bad luck be born in a poor country?
                                                                                                                                              Unless we turn around the current trend, there will be millions of "bums".

                                                                                                                                              Yes, we can give a large portion of our money to countries who will just over populate the region and need even more money in the future.

                                                                                                                                              Name some struggling country that has a falling population.



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                                                                                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 52942
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                  It's so funny watching you prattle on, old fool.
                                                                                                                                                  You're so far down the ladder I can barely see you.
                                                                                                                                                  See, I can make roofing jokes too. Only mine are far more accurate
                                                                                                                                                  That's not a sensible reply to my post. Still, if that's the best you can do. I win.

                                                                                                                                                  Can you reply with a sensible reply that shows why our children will have the same opportunities you and I had or more insults?

                                                                                                                                                  I'm not on your ladder, not on the roof. I'm in the garden sunbathing. Watching you work.



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                                                                                                                                                    • kane
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                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 20684
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Of course people like it. It is what this country will have within the next 30-40 years.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                                                          Of course people like it. It is what this country will have within the next 30-40 years.
                                                                                                                                                          Maybe or maybe not.

                                                                                                                                                          The future, if we carry on as we are, is a small percentage of those in work having good to well-paying jobs and the rest relying on low-wage jobs or Social Security. Will those in good to well-paying jobs be prepared to pay 60% of their income to support the rest of their countrymen?
                                                                                                                                                          Tax v GDP

                                                                                                                                                          Denmark 50.8
                                                                                                                                                          Belgium 47.9
                                                                                                                                                          Sweden 45.8
                                                                                                                                                          Cuba 44.8
                                                                                                                                                          France 44.6
                                                                                                                                                          Finland 43.6
                                                                                                                                                          Norway 43.6
                                                                                                                                                          Italy 43.5
                                                                                                                                                          Austria 43.4
                                                                                                                                                          Germany 40.6
                                                                                                                                                          United Kingdom 39.0

                                                                                                                                                          USA 26.9 This is why their debt is out of control. Add to that GDP per capita.
                                                                                                                                                          Date Value$
                                                                                                                                                          2016 51,364.87
                                                                                                                                                          2015 51,133.85
                                                                                                                                                          2014 50,052.65
                                                                                                                                                          2013 49,246.03
                                                                                                                                                          2012 49,102.72
                                                                                                                                                          2011 48,275.50
                                                                                                                                                          2010 47,858.95
                                                                                                                                                          2009 46,795.74
                                                                                                                                                          2008 49,206.50
                                                                                                                                                          2007 49,260.17
                                                                                                                                                          2006 48,896.05

                                                                                                                                                          $22,237 per person. Now factor in inflation and who is really earning an increased wage.



                                                                                                                                                          Trump is tapping into this in a big way. The stupidest part of his campaign is Blacks and Mexicans are for Clinton and against Trump. Because he's too stupid to realise these are his biggest chance of winning. Or he's clever enough to know it and wants to loose.



                                                                                                                                                          People like 12clicks are too stupid to get it, in 40-50 years unless jobs come back to the West, there will be civil wars or he will be paid by the State to keep him fed. Because the opportunities he had, won't be there. He must be a Clinton supporter.

                                                                                                                                                          Anyone who thinks billionaires are buying politicians to change the system is too stupid to put an X on a piece of paper.



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                                                                                                                                                            • ilnjscb
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                              • 8959
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                                                                                                              95 years

                                                                                                                                                              Look up "fiction". The Constitution of the People's Republic of China was created in 1954!

                                                                                                                                                              In the early days of the Cultural Revolution, the Politburo Standing Committee ceased normal operations, as many of its key members, such as Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping, fell out of favour with Mao.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                  It's 42
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                                                  • 18083
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  World's first self-driving taxis officially hit the road - CBS News

                                                                                                                                                                  Some commercial drivers are going to be first on the 'hit list' -- taxi drivers and long haul truck drivers

                                                                                                                                                                  Low skilled and low cost factory assembly labor in Asia is next on the list.
                                                                                                                                                                  Domestic labor is too expensive in the USA and a good part of Western Europe.

                                                                                                                                                                  High value goods that are manufactured in the USA and Western Europe will increasingly be made, where possible, with robotic automation. You don't need to pay robots mandated workers insurances and benefits -- these costs can cost an additional 40% - 60% on top of the cost of wages. Lower cost will translate to both lower cost consumer products and better corporate profits that go to shareholders as well as higher competitive wages for the jobs that remain.


                                                                                                                                                                  Buggy whip makers are out of work.
                                                                                                                                                                  The blacksmiths in the first and second worlds are gone.
                                                                                                                                                                  The stablemen are no longer needed.
                                                                                                                                                                  The are 1/3 the number of auto assemblers with left with work.

                                                                                                                                                                  If you do not have a needed skill in the workforce you are just not needed. If the cry was for a new tax to pay for vocational education to train or retrain workers -- this might be acceptable. We still need tradesmen, repairmen and technicians if you don't have what it takes to learn a professional skill or manage a business.

                                                                                                                                                                  Life will be pretty grim for the displaced masses who can only offer low skilled labor -- but that is not my fault;
                                                                                                                                                                  • Why should I be assessed more taxes to pay for the inequity?
                                                                                                                                                                  • People with lesser skills need more money so I should be taxed to pay for them.
                                                                                                                                                                  • This new underclass does not want to learn (or have the ability to learn) the needed job skills
                                                                                                                                                                  • So, I should work hard with my hard learned skills to pay for their inabilities or unwillingness?

                                                                                                                                                                  That is a fool's argument -- no wonder they can't make it.

                                                                                                                                                                  I may have to pay for their very minimal existence -- as minimal as needed to keep them in barracks to be used as cheap labor for their subsistence if they want to consider themselves worthy to participate in society. $400/mo, a bunk in a barracks, work to better themselves of this will be their lot in life.

                                                                                                                                                                  I have had to acquire new job skills ever 4 times in my 40 years of working -- I kept myself competitive. There are not many jobs left with 30 and out and you get a good pension. Life is a bitch then you die, and usually not with much dignity these days -- that's just the fuckin' way it it -- so man up and deal with it.

                                                                                                                                                                  No, I don't have any silly charts to try to prop up a unworkable (pun intended) position. No one owes me a lifestyle. Those marginal workers are not my customers and the majority of my customers will benefit financially from increasing automation and expanding robotics. They will make more money to spend. They will have more disposable income they can use buying cam shows -- one of the few jobs left that does not require a technical degree -- the world keeps turning -- life goes on

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                                                                                                                                                                    • ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                      • 8959
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                      World's first self-driving taxis officially hit the road - CBS News

                                                                                                                                                                      Some commercial drivers are going to be first on the 'hit list' -- taxi drivers and long haul truck drivers

                                                                                                                                                                      Low skilled and low cost factory assembly labor in Asia is next on the list.
                                                                                                                                                                      Domestic labor is too expensive in the USA and a good part of Western Europe.

                                                                                                                                                                      High value goods that are manufactured in the USA and Western Europe will increasingly be made, where possible, with robotic automation. You don't need to pay robots mandated workers insurances and benefits -- these costs can cost an additional 40% - 60% on top of the cost of wages. Lower cost will translate to both lower cost consumer products and better corporate profits that go to shareholders as well as higher competitive wages for the jobs that remain.


                                                                                                                                                                      Buggy whip makers are out of work.
                                                                                                                                                                      The blacksmiths in the first and second worlds are gone.
                                                                                                                                                                      The stablemen are no longer needed.
                                                                                                                                                                      The are 1/3 the number of auto assemblers with left with work.

                                                                                                                                                                      If you do not have a needed skill in the workforce you are just not needed. If the cry was for a new tax to pay for vocational education to train or retrain workers -- this might be acceptable. We still need tradesmen, repairmen and technicians if you don't have what it takes to learn a professional skill or manage a business.

                                                                                                                                                                      Life will be pretty grim for the displaced masses who can only offer low skilled labor -- but that is not my fault;
                                                                                                                                                                      • Why should I be assessed more taxes to pay for the inequity?
                                                                                                                                                                      • People with lesser skills need more money so I should be taxed to pay for them.
                                                                                                                                                                      • This new underclass does not want to learn (or have the ability to learn) the needed job skills
                                                                                                                                                                      • So, I should work hard with my hard learned skills to pay for their inabilities or unwillingness?

                                                                                                                                                                      That is a fool's argument -- no wonder they can't make it.

                                                                                                                                                                      I may have to pay for their very minimal existence -- as minimal as needed to keep them in barracks to be used as cheap labor for their subsistence if they want to consider themselves worthy to participate in society. $400/mo, a bunk in a barracks, work to better themselves of this will be their lot in life.

                                                                                                                                                                      I have had to acquire new job skills ever 4 times in my 40 years of working -- I kept myself competitive. There are not many jobs left with 30 and out and you get a good pension. Life is a bitch then you die, and usually not with much dignity these days -- that's just the fuckin' way it it -- so man up and deal with it.

                                                                                                                                                                      No, I don't have any silly charts to try to prop up a unworkable (pun intended) position. No one owes me a lifestyle. Those marginal workers are not my customers and the majority of my customers will benefit financially from increasing automation and expanding robotics. They will make more money to spend. They will have more disposable income they can use buying cam shows -- one of the few jobs left that does not require a technical degree -- the world keeps turning -- life goes on
                                                                                                                                                                      You want children to grow up in a workhouse, in bunks, with hopelessness, noise and disease all around them, managed by bureaucrats and petty tyrants? You want a toddler in that environment? Far better to work with women to help them understand family planning.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Sarn
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2015
                                                                                                                                                                          • 12656
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                                                          Look up "fiction". The Constitution of the People's Republic of China was created in 1954!
                                                                                                                                                                          before 1954 they have learned to read and write. for create Constitution

                                                                                                                                                                          The Communist Party of China (CPC) It was founded in 1921


                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                          High value goods that are manufactured in the USA and Western Europe will increasingly be made, where possible, with robotic automation. You don't need to pay robots mandated workers insurances and benefits -- these costs can cost an additional 40% - 60% on top of the cost of wages. Lower cost will translate to both lower cost consumer products and better corporate profits that go to shareholders as well as higher competitive wages for the jobs that remain.
                                                                                                                                                                          for globalists time to cut costs on the middle class in west
                                                                                                                                                                          how you think how many time needed for that? if it make fast people start protest
                                                                                                                                                                          ----

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                                                                                                                                                                            • ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                              • 8959
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                                                                                                                              before 1954 they have learned to read and write. for create Constitution

                                                                                                                                                                              The Communist Party of China (CPC) It was founded in 1921




                                                                                                                                                                              for globalists time to cut costs on the middle class in west
                                                                                                                                                                              how you think how many time needed for that? if it make fast people start protest
                                                                                                                                                                              Friend Sarn, the fact that the party was created in 1921 does not mean that China has had 95 years of stable communist rule! You're forgetting the purges and struggles, and recreation of the government. The body even ceased to function for years.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Coup
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 9931
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Fucked up if true, Comrades

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                                      It's 42
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 18083
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Population control should be voluntary option. Problem is only the intelligent consider it Breeding children to get welfare benefits is a problem -- can you imagine what paying every person in a society $1000 (€)/month will do to breeding people for money? That is utter insanity.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Revolutions happen when revolutions happen. That is an empty threat. People work harder for two fish heads in their rice bowl instead of one.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Why should I pay an extra $5K ($20K?) a year in taxes to support you and your children in relative comfort? I don't want the government to guarantee your income by capping mine with taxation -- that us utterly ludicrous.

                                                                                                                                                                                      The result is the $15 Big Mac in New York City -- lolz. Who the fuck do you think will pay for this?

                                                                                                                                                                                      Just repeal money. Then there is no currency and you are only worth what you can make or do. In 10 years we will be a scavenger society in 200 years back in the stone age.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 19816
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                          That's not a sensible reply to my post. Still, if that's the best you can do. I win.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Can you reply with a sensible reply that shows why our children will have the same opportunities you and I had or more insults?

                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not on your ladder, not on the roof. I'm in the garden sunbathing. Watching you work.
                                                                                                                                                                                          my children have nothing in common with yours. Plenty of of opportunity for smart people. look at us for example, I'm happily a part of the 1% as my children will be. You're an old fool who squandered his opportunity and now lives on a tiny state supplied pension.

                                                                                                                                                                                          There's always opportunity, the bottom just doesn't know what to do with it.
                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • ianmoone332000
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2014
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 1706
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Ever seen the rape statistics for Sweden?. Crazy shit
                                                                                                                                                                                              Still the best money making live cam site in the world

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's 42
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 18083
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  How many Swedish girls have you met --lolz

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2011
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 26730
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Life will be pretty grim for the displaced masses who can only offer low skilled labor -- but that is not my fault;
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Why should I be assessed more taxes to pay for the inequity?
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • People with lesser skills need more money so I should be taxed to pay for them.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • This new underclass does not want to learn (or have the ability to learn) the needed job skills
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • So, I should work hard with my hard learned skills to pay for their inabilities or unwillingness?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      That is a fool's argument -- no wonder they can't make it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      fact of the matter is that most homo sapiens are low skilled workers...capable of nothing else but being low skilled workers...take away their low skilled jobs and you also take away a substantial part of the skilled workers market...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      uber will make money with the driverles taxis, but the millions that will be out of work spend money on some companies products where some high skilled worker works and buys your cam shows with the money he earns...uber driverless will cost YOU money, make no mistake about this...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      those millions of drivers that will be out of a job would buy millions of shirts, cars, toys, lawnmowers, hairdryers, bagels, coffees, laptops, cellphones ect...those sales will be no more...on the other hand the guys at uber and their shareholders will not buy millions of cars, shirts ect but will probably buy much much less...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      there is no scenario where this does not cost the high skilled workers still with jobs...low skill workers are much of the high skilled workers market...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      the war against human jobs is being fought on 3 fronts at the same time:
                                                                                                                                                                                                      -amazon and wallmart vs all small shops and affiliates
                                                                                                                                                                                                      -robot workers and autopilot vehicles
                                                                                                                                                                                                      -AI as a service
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