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|  06-20-2018, 11:59 AM | #51 | |
| Webmaster Industry Role:  Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: BP4L - NL/RO 
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 BTW, maybe you should talk to Dan Epstein? he is still on Skype. And fairly responsive. I do know he is going through some rough times also  
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|  06-20-2018, 04:10 PM | #52 | 
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				 | are we talking here on a hold of a 4 figure, 5 figure or 6 figure number? | 
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|  06-20-2018, 04:13 PM | #53 | 
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				 | well over 100,000 USD 
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|  06-20-2018, 04:14 PM | #54 | |
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|  06-20-2018, 05:00 PM | #55 | |||
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|  06-22-2018, 10:21 AM | #56 | |
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				 | Quote: 
 He also spread completely wrong info at the very beginning like: "No one will be chasing their funds, and nobody's funds will be frozen. The service is ceasing in a manner that everyone will be able to find an alternative." Source: https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/th...-choice.31226/ | |
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|  06-22-2018, 12:45 PM | #57 | 
| Confirmed User Industry Role:  Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Paris - Miami 
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				 | Fuck me once, shame on you... 
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|  06-27-2018, 03:01 PM | #58 | 
| Registered User Industry Role:  Join Date: May 2018 
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				 | People, go on trust pilot site (gfy doesnt let me to put links)and write bad reviews about Payoneer, how they moved us t FCP and then stole our money | 
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|  06-27-2018, 09:12 PM | #59 | 
| Confirmed User Industry Role:  Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Europe 
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				 | Fucked up story, Payoneer was my favourite payment option back in days 
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|  06-30-2018, 08:28 AM | #60 | |
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				Payoneer = Firstchoicepay
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 You can film this from your computer as another proof Payoneer & Firstchoicepay are the exact same company (which they never denied until our money with FCP got stolen): Firstchoicepay.com/Settings/Business Applications...boom, Payoneer site shows up They might stop this link too asap, as they have their support spy here. ( source: LilFitVeve at https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/th...31226/page-108 ) | |
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|  07-04-2018, 03:35 AM | #61 | |
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 NEVER keep a large amount of money in these E-Wallets. No matter what bank or whatever financial institution is backing them up. There are so many examples over the years when people lost their money to these fuckers. get the money, cash them out and pay your affiliates or whatever by other safe methods. people nowdays are using payoneer/paxum ...and keep huge amounts of money in their accounts because of automated payments towards affiliates & shit. Well..history teach us that sometimes is better to do things on your own and have your money cash in hand! Sorry for you but 50% is your own fault for trusting these fuckers with your money! 
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|  07-04-2018, 07:45 AM | #62 | 
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				 | same situation here, waiting for them  too long ... 
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|  07-04-2018, 10:48 AM | #63 | 
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				 | anything new on this ?   
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|  07-05-2018, 04:47 AM | #64 | 
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				 | payoneer waits hands off, while the central bank fired the management from choice bank, and the bank is now bankrupt, the choice bank says the central bank does not know how to liquidate and get the money in order to pay the people FML 
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|  07-11-2018, 07:04 AM | #65 | 
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				 | I have also $ five figures at FirstChoicePay. A month ago Mr. Ad Kees and Kendra asked me to fill in and signed a form in order to request a wire transfer. I have sent all the information and then I received no answer at all, they disappeared. Payoneer is also responsible for this, they changed my account from them to FirstChoicePay but when I signed it was with Payoneer. What can we do? | 
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|  07-11-2018, 03:01 PM | #66 | |
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				 | Skype pe at daredariuz and lets work together I think we can pressure them with the press Payoneer I mean they took the profit I would have never signed a contract with a bank from a banana country like Belize if I knew! Quote: 
 
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|  07-11-2018, 08:19 PM | #67 | 
| President SNRProductions Industry Role:  Join Date: Jul 2006 
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				 | I was able to recall a wire I sent to Choice Bank the day before the news broke of this happening. I had to go through my bank to do that but it was successful. Took a very long time but it finally returned. I still don't have the funds in my Firstchoice Pay account though so let me know if I can do anything to help. 
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|  07-11-2018, 09:23 PM | #68 | 
| Let's Make Money Industry Role:  Join Date: Dec 2008 
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				 | Good luck, i hope you get this settled. | 
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|  08-15-2018, 01:56 PM | #69 | 
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				 | Some news? | 
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|  08-15-2018, 03:24 PM | #70 | 
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				 | Yea the fact that choicebank sued  central bank, and payoneer is handsoff, so things get more coplicated... 
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|  08-17-2018, 12:29 PM | #71 | 
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				 | I have contacted choicebank liquidator once again at [email protected] (really odd a gmail email for this) and received and email with the following: "The Claim Forms are already on the website (www.choicebanklimitedinliquidation.com)." Don't know which of all forms should I complete. And it seems they should be signed by a notary. This is a disaster. | 
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|  02-27-2019, 12:08 PM | #72 | 
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|  02-27-2019, 05:22 PM | #73 | 
| feeding the wolves Industry Role:  Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: between sand and stars in Jamaica 
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				 | ^^^the schedule of actions (ie the liquidation) is supposed to be filed tomorrow, Feb 28 by the liquidators I'm assuming that this schedule will available on March 1st which is the day it can be publicly 'inspected'. gonna call the Central Bank of Belize tomorrow to find out wishing everyone owed the best of luck :/ 
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|  02-27-2019, 06:20 PM | #74 | 
| Let's Make Money Industry Role:  Join Date: Dec 2008 
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				 | got your money back Dorin? | 
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|  02-28-2019, 03:42 AM | #75 | 
| Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 
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				 | Hey Jesse and Evil, Chatpay, the money is still being held hostage, they not only not said anything about a sum or a date, they don't answer emails, and hold millions, Payoneer sits with their hands in their pocket telling me their lawyers are keeping them safe. Also on the moment of faildown, someone bought all the lawyers in Belize, you could not have hired anyone, and guess whose money was used to bribe all the lawyers? yes, ours 
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|  02-28-2019, 10:21 AM | #76 | 
| Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role:  Join Date: Jun 2006 
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				 | Fucking Belize, worse then Nigeria, just another shit country. Why would anybody use any outfit located there is beyond me. I guess buyer be aware.  | 
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|  02-28-2019, 10:38 AM | #77 | |
| C.C.C.P. Industry Role:  Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Novorossiya 
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  i'm not suprised 
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|  02-28-2019, 11:14 AM | #78 | 
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				 | hey my friend danep    | 
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|  02-28-2019, 02:44 PM | #79 | 
| feeding the wolves Industry Role:  Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: between sand and stars in Jamaica 
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				 | Dan has been on the side of those owed through this entire fiasco. He's got more ethics in his baby finger than many peeps I've known whelp, didn't need to call, received this email today: Dear Sir/ Madam: Notice by Liquidator on Evaluation of your Claim We have evaluated your claim against Choice Bank in respect of sums totaling US$6,327.74 which you sought to prove in the liquidation of the bank. The Liquidator has allowed $0.00 as proven. Please appreciate that the amount of your claim allowed is not necessarily the amount that will be paid to you. The amount to be paid will depend on several factors including, but not limited to, total number of claims determined as valid, amounts realized from assets, sum collected or paid as resolution of existing lawsuits. The Liquidator has rejected your claim or a portion of your claim for the following reasons: The Liquidator has doubts about the validity of the amount claimed and/or did not receive sufficient proof of your claim. If you wish to object the decision of the Liquidator then you may do so by filing an objection with the Central Bank of Belize, no later than March 20, 2019. An objection form will be available for download from our website: Choice Bank Limited in liquidation , starting March 1, 2019 the earliest date on which an objection may be filed. As you are an unsecured creditor, your claim will be given the priority stipulated by law (Section 116(2) of the Domestic Banks and Financial Institutions Act, a copy of which appears on our website, Choice Bank Limited in liquidation), and you will be paid accordingly. We will be advising you by email, as well as by our website, on information about payment. Regards, Cedric Flowers Liquidator, for and on behalf of Choice Bank Limited I used the correct claim form, provided full proof of my identity, the docs for my corp, every transaction sent through my payoneer partner account to prove the 'closing' balance when FCP crashed, pages and pages of docs that fulfilled every single requirement I am so tired of being ripped off, after I read the email closed my comp and spent the entire afternoon blazing and dancing on the rooftop garden with the very fine security dude here who if he wasn't in his early 20's I would so be all over it helped, somewhat. prevented me from punching a hole through a concrete wall at least fuck this shit. and the scum-sucking thieves at payoneer are STILL in operation. unreal. 
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|  02-28-2019, 11:06 PM | #80 | |
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|  03-01-2019, 04:10 AM | #81 | 
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				 | Damn, that's insane   | 
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|  03-01-2019, 05:14 AM | #82 | 
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				 | I haven't recieved anything yet, my claim was in the first mail "allowed in full" as well.  I attached a shitton of stuff for verification, even a snapshot of the FirstChoicePay Account with my remaining balance that is showing. Lets see. | 
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|  03-01-2019, 11:27 AM | #83 | 
| Webmaster Industry Role:  Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: BP4L - NL/RO 
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				 | Cedric Flowers is a personality that raises many red flags. I am pretty sure he is not cooperative and his goal is to keep all the monies. Googleing him makes me think he is the badest choice ever for this job. 
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|  03-01-2019, 11:32 AM | #84 | 
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				 | Confirming that statement you made. He is very robust and honest, it is a shame he was going down in the fall, but he has done so many hours of helping people with this in his own way, he is worth his weight in gold. 
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|  03-01-2019, 12:14 PM | #85 | 
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				 | jessica quinn okay mommy i believe you but dan dissociate himself from fcp/choice bank crises = not good in my book , i can't trust this boy .  | 
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|  03-01-2019, 01:45 PM | #86 | 
| Confirmed User Industry Role:  Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Israel 
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				 | This boy can fend for himself.  This boy appears with his full name, picture, and location, as always. Now, let's take your claim and deconstruct it, and contrast with the facts I know. Where did I dissociate myself exactly? In the part where I kept assisting models and their husbands on the Ambercutie forum, Stripperweb, skype, e-mail, facebook, twitter, and even my personal phone, long after I lost my job? Maybe it was in the part where no known player in the biz took me in for any job? Maybe it was the part in which I'm in now, on skid row, because I refused to go back to my vanilla desk job, and lost all my accumulated benefits? Was it the part that even trusted lawyers in the industry, agreed that I shouldn't be held accountable for actions and decisions I have even less of a clue about than you do? Please enlighten me Mr. Gorrilaz. 
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|  03-01-2019, 02:33 PM | #87 | 
| jscizzle Industry Role:  Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei 
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				 | Holding funds in 3rd party is not the safest way these days, we have many examples in the past and we gotta learn from them.  Really sucks to hear yall lost ur monies tho  
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|  03-02-2019, 05:07 PM | #88 | 
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|  03-02-2019, 06:33 PM | #89 | 
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				 | Attorney General, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade ->Wilfred Peter Elrington Chief Executive Officer -> Alexis Rosado P: 501-822-3789, 501-822-0519 F: 501-822-3390, 501-822-2854 W: mfa.gov.bz E: belize mfa @ btl. net Ministry of Foreign Trade T: 501-822-2832, 501-822-2833 F: 501-822-2837 W: foreigntrade.gov.bz Solicitor General P: 501-822-2154 F: 501-822-3390 E: ag ministry bze @ yahoo. com Ministry of Finance Chief Executive Officer -> Audrey Wallace Cabinet Secretary -> Carlos Perdomo Financial Secretary -> Joseph Waight T: 501-822-2345, 501-822-2344 F: 501-822-0898, 501-822-2886 W: mof.gov.bz For those that know how to apply pressure to elected officials, hope that helps. Information posted here may not be up to date.  Good luck! 
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|  03-03-2019, 12:58 AM | #90 | 
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				 | Consult with Silverstein and Fattorosi then, even Eric from the FSC.  Let us know if you found anything helpful. 
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