German interior minister declares 'Islam does not belong' in the country - GoFuckYourself.com

OneHungLo · 03-16-2018, 09:07 PM

Angela Merkel’s new government got off to a rocky start on Friday as the chancellor and her interior minister clashed publicly over the role of Islam in Germany society.

Horst Seehofer, who became interior minister this week under a coalition deal, used his first interview since taking office to declare “Islam does not belong in Germany”.

Mrs Merkel lost no time in slapping down the minister, telling a press conference: “Muslims are also part of Germany, and so their religion is just as much a part of Germany”.

Mr Seehofer’s controversial remarks echoed last year’s election slogans from the nationalist Alternative for Germany party (AfD), which campaigned on an anti-Muslim platform.

But they were most clearly aimed as a broadside against Mrs Merkel, who famously declared “Islam belongs in Germany” in a 2015 press conference after opening the country’s borders to over 1 million asylum-seekers.

“Islam does not belong in Germany,” Mr Seehofer told Bild newspaper. “Germany is shaped by Christianity. That means not working on Sundays and celebrating religious holidays such as Easter, Pentecost and Christmas.

“Of course the Muslims who live with us belong in Germany. But that doesn’t mean we should give up our national traditions and customs.”

The leader of Mrs Merkel’s Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union (CSU), Mr Seehofer was the leading opponent of her refugee policy and the dispute almost ended the longstanding alliance between the two parties.

But they patched up their differences ahead of last year’s election and Mr Seehofer was given control of migration and asylum policy as interior minister under the new coalition deal. His remarks on Friday suggest he is ready to reopen the feud in government.

Mrs Merkel responded angrily to Mr Seehofer’s comments. “We want an Islam based on the constitution and compliant with constitutional law,” she said on a visit to Paris. “I think we must do everything we can to allow religions to live together in peace.”

Mr Seehofer also came under attack from Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, the chairman of Mrs Merkel’s Christian Democrat party (CDU) who is widely seen as her chosen successor.

“Freedom of religion undoubtedly belongs in Germany, just as the Muslims in Germany, together with their faith, belong in our country,” Ms Kramp-Karrenbauer said.

More than 4 million Muslims live in Germany, 1.9 million of whom are German citizens. More than 60 per cent are of Turkish heritage and were living in Germany long before Mrs Merkel’s decision to open the borders to asylum-seekers.

Mr Seehofer later sought to clarify his remarks. “Our country Germany has been shaped by Christianity for centuries. That's why it’s wrong to say Islam belongs in Germany, ” he said.

“Of course we have tolerance and respect for other religious communities. And of course the Muslims living in Germany belong in Germany.”

It was Wolfgang Schäuble, the former finance minister and current speaker of the German parliament, who first declared in 2006 that “Islam is part of Germany and Europe”.

The phrase at the centre of the dispute,“Islam belongs in Germany” was first coined in 2010 by Christian Wulff, the Germna president at the time, and later taken up by Mrs Merkel.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...elong-country/

OneHungLo · 03-16-2018, 09:09 PM

Glad to see there are some good Germans speaking up on the matter.

Flush those women hating homophobes out of your country

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-17-2018, 01:37 AM

It appears that Merkel was also about to get assaulted, likely by one of the "refugees" yelling "Allahu Akbar", what an irony, was this even reported in mainstream media?

This is a snip from the original live broadcast.

pimpmaster9000 · 03-17-2018, 01:40 AM

the cat is out of the sack OP...everybody will be nice and brown soon

Tasty1 · 03-17-2018, 01:59 AM

Germany First?
City food bank gives Germans precedence
Ministers and charities reacted with outrage to an announcement by a food bank in Essen that it would no longer take on immigrants-in-need.

On Thursday, a charity organization in Essen that hands out food to the needy said that for now, would only serve newcomers if they hold a German passport.

Jörg Sartor, who heads the branch of the Essen Tafel charity, said that 75 percent of the 6,000 users of the service were immigrants, up from 35 percent in 2015. The charity is run mostly by volunteers who parcel up the food which is often the surplus from supermarkets.

Essen Tafel is part of a national charity, Tafel Deutschland, and is one of 930 food banks operating throughout Germany. “Tafel” is German for “table” and recipients must be registered for social welfare in order to be eligible for the food parcels. Essen Tafel is the only one with a policy of this kind, a spokesperson for the umbrella group told local media

Mr. Sartor defended his decision: “We want German grandmothers to be able to keep coming to us,” he told a local newspaper, explaining that over the last two years, single mothers and older women had been scared off from the service because of all the young men, speaking different languages, in the queue for food. Mr. Sartor said he had personally seen “a lack of respect for women” among male users. “When we opened the door in the morning there was always pushing and shoving without any thought given to the grandmothers in the line,” he said.

The decision in Essen takes place against tensions which have been high ever since the refugee crisis and an increase in the number of people from the Middle East and North Africa who sought asylum in Germany after fleeing war and poverty. Through 2015, the authorities struggled to register and house many refugees. Even now, many asylum seekers still lack access to jobs and affordable housing.

https://global.handelsblatt.com/poli...cedence-891167

Wir schaffen das ;)

With the news in England, Poland and everywhere it looks like the EU will make a wall soon.
Oh wait, The Wall is already there and bigger than the Iron Curtain.

femdomdestiny · 03-17-2018, 02:57 AM

Merkel will be remembered as a traitor in historical books, at some point.
I would seriously love to see is she blind, stupid or what is motivating her (and similar people).

thommy · 03-17-2018, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Merkel will be remembered as a traitor in historical books, at some point.
I would seriously love to see is she blind, stupid or what is motivating her (and similar people).

she is either blind nor stupid - unlike in the so-called "democracy" in the US, a German chancellor knows that he/she is responsible for the opinion of ALL Germans and not just a minority.
incidentally, you all overestimate the power of a german chancellor.

btw.: the statement from seehofer was in regards to a statement of the ex-german president christian wulff who stated in 2011 that the islam is part of the german and european culture

i personally decline that - same as i decline that mc donalds or apple is part of the german culture and stupid amercan TV-shows are part of the german culture.

so the question is what was really meant.
it is part of the culture because a democracy have to accept it?
or part of the culture because they are a big group in europe for centuries?

if so i can say that drugs, muder, KKK, scientology, war, corruption and much more pest is part of the US-culture.

i am really critical with the refugee topic but I hate when a country lives from manufacturing bombs, throw them on the poorest in the world and destroy their countries and blame us for taking them when they don´t have a home anymore.

yesterday was the 50th anniversary of my lai - this is your history what you should look at. before you don´t blame anybody who killed kids and old women you should not blame people who are standing for humanity.
before you ask europe to spend more money in arms you should look how much money europe spends to prevent wars.

thommy · 03-17-2018, 06:13 AM

Hey björn - back from thailand into politics ;-)

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Germany First?
City food bank gives Germans precedence
Ministers and charities reacted with outrage to an announcement by a food bank in Essen that it would no longer take on immigrants-in-need.

On Thursday, a charity organization in Essen that hands out food to the needy said that for now, would only serve newcomers if they hold a German passport.

Jörg Sartor, who heads the branch of the Essen Tafel charity, said that 75 percent of the 6,000 users of the service were immigrants, up from 35 percent in 2015. The charity is run mostly by volunteers who parcel up the food which is often the surplus from supermarkets.

yes and this shows that we do not take in rich people and nobody plans to let them stay forever.

the tafel is a private organisation and gets the food (as you correctly stated) from supermarkets and shops. it is mostly stuff what they can not sell anymore for the reason of expiring date.

so it is not really the tafel who gives and not really the tafel who have to decide who have the right to receive.

but anyway it is a discussion what came up here what does make sense and it is worth to discuss. it is the discussion about poorness in Germany.

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Essen Tafel is part of a national charity, Tafel Deutschland, and is one of 930 food banks operating throughout Germany. “Tafel” is German for “table” and recipients must be registered for social welfare in order to be eligible for the food parcels. Essen Tafel is the only one with a policy of this kind, a spokesperson for the umbrella group told local media

Mr. Sartor defended his decision: “We want German grandmothers to be able to keep coming to us,” he told a local newspaper, explaining that over the last two years, single mothers and older women had been scared off from the service because of all the young men, speaking different languages, in the queue for food. Mr. Sartor said he had personally seen “a lack of respect for women” among male users. “When we opened the door in the morning there was always pushing and shoving without any thought given to the grandmothers in the line,” he said.

i completely understand his decision and his statement but on the other hand I can also see that we haven´t been prepared for this huge number of poor and hungry people who are used to fight for a handful of rice.

btw. I saw the same in 1988 from Germans to Germans.
When east-germans where allowed to come to the west and fight for the banana and walk man they saw - not knowing that there is enough on stock for all.

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The decision in Essen takes place against tensions which have been high ever since the refugee crisis and an increase in the number of people from the Middle East and North Africa who sought asylum in Germany after fleeing war and poverty. Through 2015, the authorities struggled to register and house many refugees. Even now, many asylum seekers still lack access to jobs and affordable housing.

correct - Germany was not prepared for that many of them because they thought they get more help from other EU countries.

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Wir schaffen das ;)

yes we do - but it will not be that easy as predicted.

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With the news in England, Poland and everywhere it looks like the EU will make a wall soon.
Oh wait, The Wall is already there and bigger than the Iron Curtain.

also correct - but this wall was not made from people who wanted free trade and same prosperity in all EU countries. this wall was made by people who want to go back into the middle age.

I agree also that the EU have now members who should not be there because this countries are knowing for swinging from one extreme to the other.
this is not a reliable base for a union.

nico-t · 03-17-2018, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

But they were most clearly aimed as a broadside against Mrs Merkel, who famously declared “Islam belongs in Germany” in a 2015 press conference after opening the country’s borders to over 1 million asylum-seekers.

When you read this in one sentence like this, it's like a concentrated dose of this totally insane policy that hits you once again. Read it, and then try to tell everyone this is somehow a good call for a community. She attempted community suicide with her intentional recklessness as ordered to her by the EU.

The only reason she's still in power is because of the fake elections in Germany: Essentially the choice boiled down to two of the biggest EU puppets, Merkel or Schultz. You can compare this "choice" to choosing between Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton as the next US president... it doesn't matter, the country will go down the shitter either way.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-17-2018, 07:20 AM

As for the US involvement in the empire building all over the world, this is by every means questionable and disastrous business, it's well chronicled for example in Oliver Stone's "Untold History of United States".

Anyway, regarding foreign aid - there is the practical view:

- if any government feels the need that they need to chip in some of their money to the third world, for whatever reason, they can. Nobody prevents them, and there are indeed major amount of funds spent on the third world, often with little results.

If any government once used government funds to bring war to certain lands, now they can use the government funds to re-build them. And i'm fine with that, as long as it's done sensibly. Common sense would say the more stability in a land, the more trade. However the more important question is HOW are these money spent. These money should be spent on investment, and not on welfare, food aid etc.

Here's an example: what will bring more future value - to build schools, infrastructure, incentivize contraception, use our engineers in order to make the lands more self sufficient - or to send in several trucks with food and medicine, spend much of the costs on administration, at least half of which will be resold on the black market, and that will only contribute to future overpopulation, more misery. more starvation, and more uncontrolled migration? All in all we're paying the price for foreign aid policies that are only making the problem worse. Well there's also the other factor, if you send Europeans to improve the industrial shape in these countries, there's the risk that you will be inevitably accused of "colonization" and it will end up in a Zimbabwe or post 1994 South Africa scenario.

Even my country, which is no Switzerland when it comes to accumulated wealth, spends about 270 million EUR a year on foreign aid. Upon these conditions I also strongly reject the decision of any institution that would like to dictate who will or will not live in the country.

However, the thesis that because of the past imperialism of several political garnitures we all, most of whom had nothing to do with any of it in the first place, now have to suffer. And that there is no right to maintain one's culture, no right to have a homeland, can not choose who lives in the country, is somewhat deranged, extremely dangerous, and very destructive to say the least.

And I can't help but note one thing when it comes to Germany. I have a great deal of respect for Germany, its industry, its culture, its people. But I can also remember the uproar in 2004 when some of the Eastern countries were accepted to the EU, there was a three year moratorium on those from these new states that actually would want to come and work in Germany, if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong.

So what has changed, all of a sudden it's a great idea to let in hundreds of thousands of, completely unvetted migrants, from an entirely different civilization that will end up on the (very generous) German welfare system? The same people that were against the influx of Eastern Europeans working in Germany all of a sudden felt that this is a great idea? Sorry but couldn't help to mention this.

Which brings us to the second - cultural view:

- let's start with the premise that anybody, who's not familiar with the doctrine and history of Islam should NEVER be allowed to make decisions that involve Islam, such as allowing it to take root and spread in his country, or entering the lands that are ruled by it.

Of course I am confident that 99 pct. of the politicians never ever got familiar with any of it. As confirmed over and over by the fact that they classify it as a "religion", which it isn't. Islam is a complete way of life, a manual on how to run a civilization. What's worse, most of those politicians are also deranged and paralyzed by political correctness up to the point that pointing at unwanted reality becomes a "hate crime".

If you're importing Islam, you're importing a civilization, not a religion. And that civilization is built on an entirely different moral and ethical grounds, completely different concepts of defining issues like freedom, rights, ethics, god, war, peace etc. This civilization has a different set of rules for those in and outside of it, based on its doctrine, it is supposed to rule over those outside of it. That is also Islam's biggest mass appeal.

If one won't get familiar with its doctrine (that is deemed "perfect, universal, final" and "nothing can contradict it"), one won't be able to understand the Islamic world, culture, thought process, history, and why it is in pretty much constant conflict (inner and with any other civilization) for the past 1 400 years.

Only after getting familiar with the doctrine, that defines Islam and shaped its history is one able to find an answer on such questions such as: What is Islam? How did Islam spread in the history? Why do the Islamic lands and societies look the way they do?

As for the role of Islam in the European history - it can be summed up into two words: war and conquest.

Even the so called "Golden Age" in Baghdad and Andalus, which is promoted anytime someone touches upon the history of Islamic conquests, upon detailed examination, was by far not that "Golden" as we're supposed to believe, but that would be for a whole other topic.

Tasty1 · 03-17-2018, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

Hey björn - back from thailand into politics ;-)

yes and this shows that we do not take in rich people and nobody plans to let them stay forever.

the tafel is a private organisation and gets the food (as you correctly stated) from supermarkets and shops. it is mostly stuff what they can not sell anymore for the reason of expiring date.

so it is not really the tafel who gives and not really the tafel who have to decide who have the right to receive.

but anyway it is a discussion what came up here what does make sense and it is worth to discuss. it is the discussion about poorness in Germany.

i completely understand his decision and his statement but on the other hand I can also see that we haven´t been prepared for this huge number of poor and hungry people who are used to fight for a handful of rice.

btw. I saw the same in 1988 from Germans to Germans.
When east-germans where allowed to come to the west and fight for the banana and walk man they saw - not knowing that there is enough on stock for all.

correct - Germany was not prepared for that many of them because they thought they get more help from other EU countries.

yes we do - but it will not be that easy as predicted.

also correct - but this wall was not made from people who wanted free trade and same prosperity in all EU countries. this wall was made by people who want to go back into the middle age.

I agree also that the EU have now members who should not be there because this countries are knowing for swinging from one extreme to the other.
this is not a reliable base for a union.

I only quoted the article

So the article is correct. Saw it also in Dutch already. In Holland now this problems also arise. So Europe is getting poorer.

Still in Thailand, try to avoid politics. But sometimes you read things that you think "how in earth has it come so far". And than the situation in Telford England where Thousand girls and children where abused and that it could go on for years, cause people where afraid of being acused racism, or fascist, or everything else.

There are elections next week in most cities in Holland. Than you get more politic news you can't ignore cause it is everywhere. This time every national party has so many scandouls that people vote for local political party's instead of national.

But i have enough work to do, will try to avoid following all the political talk.

femdomdestiny · 03-17-2018, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

she is either blind nor stupid - unlike in the so-called "democracy" in the US, a German chancellor knows that he/she is responsible for the opinion of ALL Germans and not just a minority.
incidentally, you all overestimate the power of a german chancellor.

btw.: the statement from seehofer was in regards to a statement of the ex-german president christian wulff who stated in 2011 that the islam is part of the german and european culture

i personally decline that - same as i decline that mc donalds or apple is part of the german culture and stupid amercan TV-shows are part of the german culture.

so the question is what was really meant.
it is part of the culture because a democracy have to accept it?
or part of the culture because they are a big group in europe for centuries?

if so i can say that drugs, muder, KKK, scientology, war, corruption and much more pest is part of the US-culture.

i am really critical with the refugee topic but I hate when a country lives from manufacturing bombs, throw them on the poorest in the world and destroy their countries and blame us for taking them when they don´t have a home anymore.

yesterday was the 50th anniversary of my lai - this is your history what you should look at. before you don´t blame anybody who killed kids and old women you should not blame people who are standing for humanity.
before you ask europe to spend more money in arms you should look how much money europe spends to prevent wars.

All that crap and you missed that I am not from USA? Fantastic.

thommy · 03-17-2018, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

All that crap and you missed that I am not from USA? Fantastic.

how can i know that you are not from usa ? you did not even fill out your profile that far.

at least you seems to be on trumps side and exept a few always yesterday ignorants (and putin) nobody is on trump´s side.

DraX · 03-17-2018, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

how can i know that you are not from usa ? you did not even fill out your profile that far.

at least you seems to be on trumps side and exept a few always yesterday ignorants (and putin) nobody is on trump´s side.

celandina · 03-17-2018, 10:28 AM

We are fighting them for over 1000 years and then the "Merkelites" undo 1000 years of history in one generation. But we deserve it for being so stupid... next time I will vote for Charles:

OneHungLo · 03-17-2018, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

It appears that Merkel was also about to get assaulted, likely by one of the "refugees" yelling "Allahu Akbar", what an irony, was this even reported in mainstream media?

This is a snip from the original live broadcast.

That - is - awesome....I love his faint but distinctly muffled "allah akbar"

Paul Markham · 03-17-2018, 03:12 PM

Just because she allowed the hoards in over the last few years. That doesn't make them part of the host nations culture.

Maybe those who disagree will point out why Islamic Culture is part of German ow Western culture.

Muslims certainly disagree that their culture is part of ours.

femdomdestiny · 03-17-2018, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

how can i know that you are not from usa ? you did not even fill out your profile that far.

at least you seems to be on trumps side and exept a few always yesterday ignorants (and putin) nobody is on trump´s side.

Half of the world is on Trump's side (if you are already picking sides) so I guess that means "nobody" for you. You live in a bubble, surrounded by similar people and that is not a reality.

OneHungLo · 03-17-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

the cat is out of the sack OP...everybody will be nice and brown soon

thommy · 03-18-2018, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Half of the world is on Trump's side (if you are already picking sides) so I guess that means "nobody" for you. You live in a bubble, surrounded by similar people and that is not a reality.

sure - in your dreams

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...onfidence-poll

pimpmaster9000 · 03-18-2018, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

sure - in your dreams

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...onfidence-poll

30% global approval of trump? LOL no way...its more like 5%

that poll gives waaaay to much credit to trump...

thommy · 03-18-2018, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

30% global approval of trump? LOL no way...its more like 5%

that poll gives waaaay to much credit to trump...

it is not the approval of trump it is the approval of the US-world-leadership SINCE trump.

you should download the report and laugh a bit.
i.e that leadership approval in the americas drooped from 58% to 24%

Rating World Leaders: 2018

Paul Markham · 03-18-2018, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

sure - in your dreams

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...onfidence-poll

The people of the countries accepting migrants are against it. It ruins their economy, hits social services, creates shortages in housing, education, health services. The type of people who compile those list are in favour of it.

Paul Markham · 03-18-2018, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

it is not the approval of trump it is the approval of the US-world-leadership SINCE trump.

you should download the report and laugh a bit.
i.e that leadership approval in the americas drooped from 58% to 24%

Rating World Leaders: 2018

We all know Trump is a shit leader. But not for building a wall or trying to keep out Muslims.

thommy · 03-18-2018, 03:40 AM

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We all know Trump is a shit leader. But not for building a wall or trying to keep out Muslims.

you seem to forget that US have already 3,5 million NATIVE muslim.

ISIS recruited many thousands of them to fight outside the country.
and the muslim poulation is growing nowhere in the world faster as they do in US.

their prisons are breeding hot spots for radical islam.

with what kind of wall you want to prevent that?

I think you completely missunderstand my point. I can also see the problems with the radical islam. but I have other solutions as the suicide missions you have.

Paul Markham · 03-19-2018, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

you seem to forget that US have already 3,5 million NATIVE muslim.

ISIS recruited many thousands of them to fight outside the country.
and the muslim poulation is growing nowhere in the world faster as they do in US.

their prisons are breeding hot spots for radical islam.

with what kind of wall you want to prevent that?

I think you completely missunderstand my point. I can also see the problems with the radical islam. but I have other solutions as the suicide missions you have.

You are delusional thinking you can "educate" the killing out of these people. What if they reject attempts to "re-educate" them?

Agreed though that the US already had too many Muslims who reject American culture. So why not try to re-educate those they already have?

pimpmaster9000 · 03-19-2018, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You are delusional thinking you can "educate" the killing out of these people. What if they reject attempts to "re-educate" them?

Agreed though that the US already had too many Muslims who reject American culture. So why not try to re-educate those they already have?

because racist fucks like you make recruiting new radicals a breeze

you paul are the biggest asset radicals have...the low skilled dumb ass rube who will give moderate muslims a hard time because he is a 5 min google scholar or any topic

Paul Markham · 03-19-2018, 03:30 AM

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because racist fucks like you make recruiting new radicals a breeze

you paul are the biggest asset radicals have...the low skilled dumb ass rube who will give moderate muslims a hard time because he is a 5 min google scholar or any topic

Says the man who lives in a country that tried to kill as many Muslims as possible.

Islam is racist. It opposes all non-Muslims and demands they are converted, subjugated or executed.

pimpmaster9000 · 03-19-2018, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Says the man who lives in a country that tried to kill as many Muslims as possible.

Islam is racist. It opposes all non-Muslims and demands they are converted, subjugated or executed.

there are 100-s of millions of non-muslims living in muslim countries...I lived in one and nobody gave me any shit...I visited lots of them and nobody ever gave me any shit...

care to explain?

femdomdestiny · 03-19-2018, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The people of the countries accepting migrants are against it. It ruins their economy, hits social services, creates shortages in housing, education, health services. The type of people who compile those list are in favour of it.

Exactly. His resource ie The Guardian, wtf? People can't speak freely. Ask some people from UK (here) what they think about migrants.

I am really confused that there are such people as this guy Thommy and that they are cut off from reality so much.

I am looking at migrants constantly here, it is the completely different world. Not just different but extremely lower on the civilization scale. There is no fix for that and there is no easy why would anyone want to fix it. Just leave them alone and don't let them in.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-19-2018, 05:11 AM

Some very misleading information,

No Islam is not "racist", it accepts anybody who converts to it, and is, according to its doctrine, deemed supreme to any other group aka Jews Christians ("people of the book") or polytheists, it is supposed to rule over them.

That does make it a totalitarian, supremacist ideology, but certainly not "racist" - hence the popular screams of "racism" against Muslims are a complete non sense. If you can apostate of it, it's not "race". On the contrary, if you can't apostate from it under the penalty of death, that makes it a totalitarian system.

There are also certainly not "hundreds of millions" non-Muslims living in Islamic countries. While the total number worldwide may still be relatively high (perhaps it could even reach a 100 million). You need to keep in mind that before the first and second wave of Jihad, followed by the Osman conquests, all of those countries outside of the Arabian peninsula, where there may still be some miniscule original population left, were originally Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or Zarathustrian.

The total number of non-Muslims living in truly Islamic countries worldwide today, will be at maximum 5 pct. And is constantly shrinking. This is the legacy of establishing the rule of Islam in these, originally non Islamic lands. Any other group was forced to either convert, or live in a second class citizen, "dhimmi" status (that was available for Jews and Christians). As a result eventually most either converted, fled, or were killed.

pimpmaster9000 · 03-19-2018, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Some very misleading information,

No Islam is not "racist", it accepts anybody who converts to it, and is, according to its doctrine, deemed supreme to any other group aka Jews Christians ("people of the book") or polytheists, it is supposed to rule over them.

That does make it a totalitarian, supremacist ideology, but certainly not "racist" - hence the popular screams of "racism" against Muslims are a complete non sense. If you can apostate of it, it's not "race". On the contrary, if you can't apostate from it under the penalty of death, that makes it a totalitarian system.

There are also certainly not "hundreds of millions" non-Muslims living in Islamic countries. While the total number worldwide may still be relatively high (perhaps it could even reach a 100 million). You need to keep in mind that before the first and second wave of Jihad, followed by the Osman conquests, all of those countries outside of the Arabian peninsula, where there may be some miniscule original population left, were originally Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or Zarathustrian.

The total number of non-Muslims living in truly Islamic countries worldwide today, will be at maximum 5 pct. And is constantly shrinking. This is the legacy of establishing the rule of Islam in these, originally non Islamic lands. Any other group was forced to either convert, or live in a second class citizen, "dhimmi" status (that was available for Jews and Christians). As a result eventually most either converted, fled, or were killed.

there are 50+ islamic countries with hundreds of millions of non muslims....in most of these countries nobody gives a shit if you are muslim or not...I know this because I have traveled a lot...

you can find lots of examples that "prove me wrong" is select countries that have been graced by US foreign policy...iran used to be a normal country...avghanistan used to be much more normal than it is today...lybia used to be a nice place I lived there for 2 years...

but no country is perfect, for example I was persecuted as a kid for being an atheist in london...I was punished just for asking questions...I could certainly argue that i was a 2nd rate citizen because I did not believe in their imaginary friend i the sky...no I did not have the option to pick another school, all schools were "saint something" in the area...you sing to an imaginary friend like a brainwashed idiot every morning in school and if you do not like it you will get punished...

no country is perfect...but what people claim about islam is simply not true...3-4 of the islamic countries are totally fucked up, no doubt about this...but 1/5 of humanity is islam and the bullshit being spread about them is ridiculous...they are people just like you and me...they do not give 2 shits about what imaginary friend you may or may not have...

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-19-2018, 05:39 AM

Hundreds of milions - no there are not.

Is Islamic doctrine bullshit? I wish it was, but the Islamic world appears to still be shaped by it last time I checked. If it has no influence, and all "claims" are "bullshit", what was the reaction worldwide to the Mohammad cartoons? A misunderstanding?

Can you say with a straight face that you can live exactly the same life as in the west in an Islamic country, or in any Islamic community?

The people argument stops to be valid as soon as you'll bring into the picture an ideology that does not believe in universal humankind, such as Islam. Islam does not have a golden rule aka "do onto others as you'd wish them to do to you". This doesn't exist in Islam.

"No country is perfect" is a strawman, I can't stab you with a knife since in other countries they stab people with a knife too. Again, the problem starts as soon as the ideology that is supposed to rule over my life justifies me stabbing you.

thommy · 03-19-2018, 06:34 AM

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You are delusional thinking you can "educate" the killing out of these people. What if they reject attempts to "re-educate" them?

Agreed though that the US already had too many Muslims who reject American culture. So why not try to re-educate those they already have?

you did not answer my question.
WHAT do you want to do with them who are native americans and getting more and more in a progressive line?

america is breeding enemies.
everyone who does not get a chance in this system will be jailed one day and than the chance is HUGE they join this fanaticism

nobody needs to import them - they grow alone - and their hate will find some ideology - no matter how you want to call it.

the problem is caused deep in the society and in the power of some illuminati what are controlling the positions.
no country in the world - not even the shittiest african countries - are more corrupt then US.

here are the roots of all problems in the world.

pimpmaster9000 · 03-19-2018, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Hundreds of milions - no there are not.

Is Islamic doctrine bullshit? I wish it was, but the Islamic world appears to still be shaped by it last time I checked. If it has no influence, and all "claims" are "bullshit", what was the reaction worldwide to the Mohammad cartoons? A misunderstanding?

Can you say with a straight face that you can live exactly the same life as in the west in an Islamic country, or in any Islamic community?

The people argument stops to be valid as soon as you'll bring into the picture an ideology that does not believe in universal humankind, such as Islam. Islam does not have a golden rule aka "do onto others as you'd wish them to do to you". This doesn't exist in Islam.

"No country is perfect" is a strawman, I can't stab you with a knife since in other countries they stab people with a knife too. Again, the problem starts as soon as the ideology that is supposed to rule over my life justifies me stabbing you.

what you are saying is fundamentally wrong...there are 1000-s of churches in the 50+ islamic countries...if there was any truth to what you say there would be 0...there would be 0 "infidels" as well...

I lived in lybia, spent several months in other islamic countries, mostly riding off road ATV-s, I visited butt fuck places no tourist has ever seen and I have been greeted with nothing but kindness...I made it perfectly clear that I was an atheist and nobody gave a shit...there are churches and christians living normal lives everywhere...

I can say with a straight face that you can live a normal life in most islamic countries as an "infidel" as you can live in most western countries as a muslim...you will find assholes anywhere...

the only place where I was subjected to religious intolerance was the UK...I was accused of "blasphemy"

Paul Markham · 03-19-2018, 08:38 AM

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Some very misleading information,

No Islam is not "racist", it accepts anybody who converts to it, and is, according to its doctrine, deemed supreme to any other group aka Jews Christians ("people of the book") or polytheists, it is supposed to rule over them.

That does make it a totalitarian, supremacist ideology, but certainly not "racist" - hence the popular screams of "racism" against Muslims are a complete non sense. If you can apostate of it, it's not "race". On the contrary, if you can't apostate from it under the penalty of death, that makes it a totalitarian system.

There are also certainly not "hundreds of millions" non-Muslims living in Islamic countries. While the total number worldwide may still be relatively high (perhaps it could even reach a 100 million). You need to keep in mind that before the first and second wave of Jihad, followed by the Osman conquests, all of those countries outside of the Arabian peninsula, where there may still be some miniscule original population left, were originally Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or Zarathustrian.

The total number of non-Muslims living in truly Islamic countries worldwide today, will be at maximum 5 pct. And is constantly shrinking. This is the legacy of establishing the rule of Islam in these, originally non Islamic lands. Any other group was forced to either convert, or live in a second class citizen, "dhimmi" status (that was available for Jews and Christians). As a result eventually most either converted, fled, or were killed.

Read what I said.

"It opposes all non-Muslims and demands they are converted, subjugated or executed."

Also read the Bukhari books. They reveal a lot.

Also where do you get the facts from that Islam is shrinking?

Paul Markham · 03-19-2018, 08:39 AM

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Exactly. His resource ie The Guardian, wtf? People can't speak freely. Ask some people from UK (here) what they think about migrants.

I am really confused that there are such people as this guy Thommy and that they are cut off from reality so much.

I am looking at migrants constantly here, it is the completely different world. Not just different but extremely lower on the civilization scale. There is no fix for that and there is no easy why would anyone want to fix it. Just leave them alone and don't let them in.

Thommy will quote from any literature that serves his delusional views.

Paul Markham · 03-19-2018, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

you did not answer my question.
WHAT do you want to do with them who are native americans and getting more and more in a progressive line?

america is breeding enemies.
everyone who does not get a chance in this system will be jailed one day and than the chance is HUGE they join this fanaticism

nobody needs to import them - they grow alone - and their hate will find some ideology - no matter how you want to call it.

the problem is caused deep in the society and in the power of some illuminati what are controlling the positions.
no country in the world - not even the shittiest african countries - are more corrupt then US.

here are the roots of all problems in the world.

Here you have a point. Over the last 20 years the West has been accepting Muslims and now there is a problem with them. The problem is the extremists want us to bend to their ways with no give on their side. Dealing with those people is going to be tough, their religion demands they don't change, demands they convert us, demands they stay apart from us. It's OK to re-educate the ones that don't need educating, but how do you educate the people who will blow us up?

Obviously reducing child benefits for all third or more children is a good way to start. Then take away the benefits of those who refuse to accept the system of the country they want to move to. But stopping all migration of Muslims has to be a priority, history proves the second generation are more deadly than the first.

As for the US is more corrupt than the African States, there you are going a little bonkers. So do you think Germany is corrupt because Merkel invited so many into Europe and now trying to do a U-turn?

pimpmaster9000 · 03-19-2018, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Read what I said.

"It opposes all non-Muslims and demands they are converted, subjugated or executed."

Also read the Bukhari books. They reveal a lot.

Also where do you get the facts from that Islam is shrinking?

you are by far the dumbest person on this forum

mineistaken · 03-19-2018, 12:34 PM

dass waciss!

Paul Markham · 03-20-2018, 04:55 AM

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you are by far the dumbest person on this forum

Is that your best retort?

pimpmaster9000 · 03-20-2018, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Is that your best retort?

no my best retort would be: the only thing you were ever good at is taking shitty photos

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-20-2018, 07:17 AM

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what you are saying is fundamentally wrong...there are 1000-s of churches in the 50+ islamic countries...if there was any truth to what you say there would be 0...there would be 0 "infidels" as well...

I lived in lybia, spent several months in other islamic countries, mostly riding off road ATV-s, I visited butt fuck places no tourist has ever seen and I have been greeted with nothing but kindness...I made it perfectly clear that I was an atheist and nobody gave a shit...there are churches and christians living normal lives everywhere...

I can say with a straight face that you can live a normal life in most islamic countries as an "infidel" as you can live in most western countries as a muslim...you will find assholes anywhere...

the only place where I was subjected to religious intolerance was the UK...I was accused of "blasphemy"

Again, this is a strawman. Besides the fact that there certainly are not "1000's of Churches in 50+ Islamic lands" unless they are the remains of the ancient, conquered classical world, and often converted to Mosques (this is now also already happening in France for example). Try to build a Church in all these Islamic countries, report back. Btw. Lybia in its time was perhaps the best functioning Islamic country in the world with strong push to secularism and modernization, one can only wish it wasn't destroyed in 2011 by our liberal "peace keepers". Now it's a Jihadi mayhem.

All of us may know a nice Muslim or two, they can be secular, they can be fine people, they may in fact also, especially in the West, know very little about Islam in the first place. But that doesn't change anything about Islam, as a distinct civilization and an ideology, described in detail in its doctrine (that no follower should ever stray away from). Of course the level of devotion to Islam varies on the individual level, that's why it makes little sense to discuss this on other than ideological level.

Anyway, one thing to remember is that Muslims have zero influence over what Islam is, it goes the other way - Islam should control every aspect of their life ("slave to Islam" or "slave to Allah" is a term commonly used in the doctrine). The only Muslim in the history, that ever had influence over Islam was Mohammad. And this influence is crucial since he established a system that is deemed "perfect, universal and final" and any violation of which should be severely punished (often by death).

Let's perhaps expand and illustrate a little bit about the role of Mohammad for those who may be interested:

One frequent misconception in the West is that Islam is a religion, and that it is based on the Qu'ran. This is not true.

As for the religious part, more than a half of the doctrine of Islam is concerned with the Kuffar (unbelievers, "worst of creatures") and how to plot against them in order to spread Islam and establish Islamic rule. If more than a half of the core text for your ideology includes a manual on how to spread it at the expense of those who don't follow it, this is political in nature. All in all Islam is a complete way of life, a complete civilization.

Btw. in general, according to the doctrine of Islam, the Kuffar can be treated well in case Islam is not strong enough to subjugate them, or if it could be harmful to the Islamic community and to spreading Islam. The eventual goal, however, according to the same doctrine, is to eventually establish Islamic rule.

About the Qu'ran - if you'd like to become a follower of Islam, you won't even find the five pillars of Islam in the Qu'ran. You won't even find and know how to pray. The key here is that the Qu'Ran commands in 91 verses that Mohammad is the "perfect example for every Muslim, every Muslim should emulate him in everything he ever did, or said".

Once again, everything Muhammad ever did or said became a rule that should be followed and never be violated, this is documented in the Sunna of Mohammad ("The Way") which consists of his biography and "traditions" - short records of whatever Muhammad ever did or said.

This includes rules for the Ummah (brotherhood of Muslims) and rules on how to deal with the Kuffar (those outside of Islam). These are two very distinct groups with a separate set of ethical rules, and one is always deemed to be superior to the other (thus no Golden Rule, no universal humanity).

Now why is this even important in the 21st century - Mohammad, based on these records was, for example: a polygamist, slave owner and slave trader, married his first cousin, married Aisha when she was 6 years old and "consumated" the marriage at the age of 9, involved in deception, warfare, persecution, torture of non-believers - since he's the "perfect example", all these things are not only permissible, but entirely justified according to the doctrine of Islam. Many have become sacred Islamic traditions.

Heck you can even, still today, find official accounts of Slavery in Mauritania, Sudan, the "new" Lybia, and other Islamic countries (even Slavery was officially legally abandoned in most of them, such as in Saudi Arabia in 1962).

Or do you also want to claim that the issues described above do not exist in the Islamic world?

This may have been the premise in Germany as well. Somebody could think that if they were able to integrate Turks so well (Turkey was officially forced to become secular post 1924), that they may be able to integrate groups that are vastly more devoted to the Islamic ways of civilization. For example Afghanistan, if we were to believe Pew Research, is a country with a 99 pct. of support for Shar'ia being the law of the land. This would mean a massive, absolute level of orthodox devotion to the Islamic doctrine (Sha'ria is basically a condensed manual on how to run a civilization that's 100 pct. in accordance with the doctrine of Islam, it includes non-Muslims).

Do we really want to believe you can now simply move such large numbers of these to the West, and colonize them into abandoning their civilization? Force them to accept Western values and concepts that are not only unknown, taught to be inferior, but often explicitly against the ethics and rules of their civilization?

Another very important, related topic would be the Islamic concept of the so called "migration for the cause of Allah", but that's again for another discussion.

P.S.: For Paul: no Islam is not shrinking, it is expanding, the minorities in Islamic lands are shrinking.

Tasty1 · 03-20-2018, 10:04 AM

Looks like the majority of Germans agrees with him.

Große Mehrheit der Deutschen stimmt Seehofers Islam-Aussage zu

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...flow _twitter

pimpmaster9000 · 03-20-2018, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

As for the religious part, more than a half of the doctrine of Islam is concerned with the Kuffar (unbelievers, "worst of creatures") and how to plot against them in order to spread Islam and establish Islamic rule. If more than a half of the core text for your ideology includes a manual on how to spread it at the expense of those who don't follow it, this is political in nature. All in all Islam is a complete way of life, a complete civilization.

Btw. in general, according to the doctrine of Islam, the Kuffar can be treated well in case Islam is not strong enough to subjugate them, or if it could be harmful to the Islamic community and to spreading Islam. The eventual goal, however, according to the same doctrine, is to eventually establish Islamic rule

it may be written somewhere but it is not factual reality...I have been to too many islamic countries and met too many people and seen too many non-mulisms living there to know this is not true at all...keep in mind I was in butt fuck places that are not even used to tourists...they are normal people who were genuinely happy to see me and wanted nothing more from me than to chat and drink tea...

the 1000-s of churches may be from the conquests but they were not torn down and the infidels were not purged...the proof is in the pudding...

you are taking this waaay to seriously....I mean you are free to believe what ever you wish but what you are saying simply is not true...

if you do not want millions of muslim immigrants perhaps it would be best to address the cause of the immigrants and this is US foreign policy making a war zone out of the middle east and aisa...nobody really wants to go abroad and be treated like a 2nd grade citizen...they are forced to leave because the USA impoverishes entire regions and proxy fucks the EU...

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nico-t · 03-20-2018, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Looks like the majority of Germans agrees with him.

Große Mehrheit der Deutschen stimmt Seehofers Islam-Aussage zu

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...flow _twitter

well they sure as fuck didn't show it by giving that chronic helmet wearing society destroyer another term.

Paul Markham · 03-20-2018, 11:05 AM

Muslims invaded most countries they "Converted". Jerusalem was never an Islamic country, Mecca wanted nothing to do with Islam until forced to by invasion. Istanbul was a Christian city until the Muslims built a huge cannon to knock down its wall. Spain, France, Hungary, the Balkans, North Africa, Middle East, Turkey, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

Islam's War to Save the World A very long list that proves Islam is the religion of war.

And Islam is still at war with Muslims, Christians and everyone else. The Americans wouldn't be in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, aiding Saudi Arabia, etc. If Muslims weren't killing Muslims. The West would be happy to go back to a time when all we wanted was to buy their oil, but terrorist groups make that impossible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rorist_attacks only lists modern attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rrorist_groups

They are just doing what their forefathers up to Mohammed did.

pimpmaster9000 · 03-20-2018, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Muslims invaded most countries they "Converted". Jerusalem was never an Islamic country, Mecca wanted nothing to do with Islam until forced to by invasion. Istanbul was a Christian city until the Muslims built a huge cannon to knock down its wall. Spain, France, Hungary, the Balkans, North Africa, Middle East, Turkey, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

Islam's War to Save the World A very long list that proves Islam is the religion of war.

And Islam is still at war with Muslims, Christians and everyone else. The Americans wouldn't be in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, aiding Saudi Arabia, etc. If Muslims weren't killing Muslims. The West would be happy to go back to a time when all we wanted was to buy their oil, but terrorist groups make that impossible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rorist_attacks only lists modern attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rrorist_groups

They are just doing what their forefathers up to Mohammed did.

no it is countries like the USA and your US butt cleaning UK that turned them in to war zones over oil and crony profits and now you are pointing fingers and presenting cherry picked info...nobody kills like westerners...nobody...

Paul Markham · 03-20-2018, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

no it is countries like the USA and your US butt cleaning UK that turned them in to war zones over oil and crony profits and now you are pointing fingers and presenting cherry picked info...nobody kills like westerners...nobody...

So how do you account for all the wars prior to the discovery of America? Here's a list of their atrocities. Islam's War to Save the World

You left out the Serbs try to kill so many Muslims in Bosnia? Why?

pimpmaster9000 · 03-20-2018, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So how do you account for all the wars prior to the discovery of America? Here's a list of their atrocities. Islam's War to Save the World

You left out the Serbs try to kill so many Muslims in Bosnia? Why?

how do you account that whitey kills by far the most?...

paul you need to keep a journal, we have discussed this like 10x LOL your alzheimers is progressing...

03-16-2018, 09:07 PM	#1
OneHungLo Colonizer Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 37,819	German interior minister declares 'Islam does not belong' in the country Angela Merkel’s new government got off to a rocky start on Friday as the chancellor and her interior minister clashed publicly over the role of Islam in Germany society. Horst Seehofer, who became interior minister this week under a coalition deal, used his first interview since taking office to declare “Islam does not belong in Germany”. Mrs Merkel lost no time in slapping down the minister, telling a press conference: “Muslims are also part of Germany, and so their religion is just as much a part of Germany”. Mr Seehofer’s controversial remarks echoed last year’s election slogans from the nationalist Alternative for Germany party (AfD), which campaigned on an anti-Muslim platform. But they were most clearly aimed as a broadside against Mrs Merkel, who famously declared “Islam belongs in Germany” in a 2015 press conference after opening the country’s borders to over 1 million asylum-seekers. “Islam does not belong in Germany,” Mr Seehofer told Bild newspaper. “Germany is shaped by Christianity. That means not working on Sundays and celebrating religious holidays such as Easter, Pentecost and Christmas. “Of course the Muslims who live with us belong in Germany. But that doesn’t mean we should give up our national traditions and customs.” The leader of Mrs Merkel’s Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union (CSU), Mr Seehofer was the leading opponent of her refugee policy and the dispute almost ended the longstanding alliance between the two parties. But they patched up their differences ahead of last year’s election and Mr Seehofer was given control of migration and asylum policy as interior minister under the new coalition deal. His remarks on Friday suggest he is ready to reopen the feud in government. Mrs Merkel responded angrily to Mr Seehofer’s comments. “We want an Islam based on the constitution and compliant with constitutional law,” she said on a visit to Paris. “I think we must do everything we can to allow religions to live together in peace.” Mr Seehofer also came under attack from Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, the chairman of Mrs Merkel’s Christian Democrat party (CDU) who is widely seen as her chosen successor. “Freedom of religion undoubtedly belongs in Germany, just as the Muslims in Germany, together with their faith, belong in our country,” Ms Kramp-Karrenbauer said. More than 4 million Muslims live in Germany, 1.9 million of whom are German citizens. More than 60 per cent are of Turkish heritage and were living in Germany long before Mrs Merkel’s decision to open the borders to asylum-seekers. Mr Seehofer later sought to clarify his remarks. “Our country Germany has been shaped by Christianity for centuries. That's why it’s wrong to say Islam belongs in Germany, ” he said. “Of course we have tolerance and respect for other religious communities. And of course the Muslims living in Germany belong in Germany.” It was Wolfgang Schäuble, the former finance minister and current speaker of the German parliament, who first declared in 2006 that “Islam is part of Germany and Europe”. The phrase at the centre of the dispute,“Islam belongs in Germany” was first coined in 2010 by Christian Wulff, the Germna president at the time, and later taken up by Mrs Merkel. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...elong-country/ __________________ “Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. ― Calvin Coolidge

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CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,502	It appears that Merkel was also about to get assaulted, likely by one of the "refugees" yelling "Allahu Akbar", what an irony, was this even reported in mainstream media? This is a snip from the original live broadcast. __________________ CTG Media \| skype: carlosprague \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Want to make more with your Dating Traffic? \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles \| Did your ad revenue drop by 40 pct. or more last year?

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Tasty1 Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South-America Posts: 8,598	Germany First? City food bank gives Germans precedence Ministers and charities reacted with outrage to an announcement by a food bank in Essen that it would no longer take on immigrants-in-need. On Thursday, a charity organization in Essen that hands out food to the needy said that for now, would only serve newcomers if they hold a German passport. Jörg Sartor, who heads the branch of the Essen Tafel charity, said that 75 percent of the 6,000 users of the service were immigrants, up from 35 percent in 2015. The charity is run mostly by volunteers who parcel up the food which is often the surplus from supermarkets. Essen Tafel is part of a national charity, Tafel Deutschland, and is one of 930 food banks operating throughout Germany. “Tafel” is German for “table” and recipients must be registered for social welfare in order to be eligible for the food parcels. Essen Tafel is the only one with a policy of this kind, a spokesperson for the umbrella group told local media Mr. Sartor defended his decision: “We want German grandmothers to be able to keep coming to us,” he told a local newspaper, explaining that over the last two years, single mothers and older women had been scared off from the service because of all the young men, speaking different languages, in the queue for food. Mr. Sartor said he had personally seen “a lack of respect for women” among male users. “When we opened the door in the morning there was always pushing and shoving without any thought given to the grandmothers in the line,” he said. The decision in Essen takes place against tensions which have been high ever since the refugee crisis and an increase in the number of people from the Middle East and North Africa who sought asylum in Germany after fleeing war and poverty. Through 2015, the authorities struggled to register and house many refugees. Even now, many asylum seekers still lack access to jobs and affordable housing. https://global.handelsblatt.com/poli...cedence-891167 Wir schaffen das ;) With the news in England, Poland and everywhere it looks like the EU will make a wall soon. Oh wait, The Wall is already there and bigger than the Iron Curtain. __________________ everything is fake

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CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,502	As for the US involvement in the empire building all over the world, this is by every means questionable and disastrous business, it's well chronicled for example in Oliver Stone's "Untold History of United States". Anyway, regarding foreign aid - there is the practical view: - if any government feels the need that they need to chip in some of their money to the third world, for whatever reason, they can. Nobody prevents them, and there are indeed major amount of funds spent on the third world, often with little results. If any government once used government funds to bring war to certain lands, now they can use the government funds to re-build them. And i'm fine with that, as long as it's done sensibly. Common sense would say the more stability in a land, the more trade. However the more important question is HOW are these money spent. These money should be spent on investment, and not on welfare, food aid etc. Here's an example: what will bring more future value - to build schools, infrastructure, incentivize contraception, use our engineers in order to make the lands more self sufficient - or to send in several trucks with food and medicine, spend much of the costs on administration, at least half of which will be resold on the black market, and that will only contribute to future overpopulation, more misery. more starvation, and more uncontrolled migration? All in all we're paying the price for foreign aid policies that are only making the problem worse. Well there's also the other factor, if you send Europeans to improve the industrial shape in these countries, there's the risk that you will be inevitably accused of "colonization" and it will end up in a Zimbabwe or post 1994 South Africa scenario. Even my country, which is no Switzerland when it comes to accumulated wealth, spends about 270 million EUR a year on foreign aid. Upon these conditions I also strongly reject the decision of any institution that would like to dictate who will or will not live in the country. However, the thesis that because of the past imperialism of several political garnitures we all, most of whom had nothing to do with any of it in the first place, now have to suffer. And that there is no right to maintain one's culture, no right to have a homeland, can not choose who lives in the country, is somewhat deranged, extremely dangerous, and very destructive to say the least. And I can't help but note one thing when it comes to Germany. I have a great deal of respect for Germany, its industry, its culture, its people. But I can also remember the uproar in 2004 when some of the Eastern countries were accepted to the EU, there was a three year moratorium on those from these new states that actually would want to come and work in Germany, if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong. So what has changed, all of a sudden it's a great idea to let in hundreds of thousands of, completely unvetted migrants, from an entirely different civilization that will end up on the (very generous) German welfare system? The same people that were against the influx of Eastern Europeans working in Germany all of a sudden felt that this is a great idea? Sorry but couldn't help to mention this. Which brings us to the second - cultural view: - let's start with the premise that anybody, who's not familiar with the doctrine and history of Islam should NEVER be allowed to make decisions that involve Islam, such as allowing it to take root and spread in his country, or entering the lands that are ruled by it. Of course I am confident that 99 pct. of the politicians never ever got familiar with any of it. As confirmed over and over by the fact that they classify it as a "religion", which it isn't. Islam is a complete way of life, a manual on how to run a civilization. What's worse, most of those politicians are also deranged and paralyzed by political correctness up to the point that pointing at unwanted reality becomes a "hate crime". If you're importing Islam, you're importing a civilization, not a religion. And that civilization is built on an entirely different moral and ethical grounds, completely different concepts of defining issues like freedom, rights, ethics, god, war, peace etc. This civilization has a different set of rules for those in and outside of it, based on its doctrine, it is supposed to rule over those outside of it. That is also Islam's biggest mass appeal. If one won't get familiar with its doctrine (that is deemed "perfect, universal, final" and "nothing can contradict it"), one won't be able to understand the Islamic world, culture, thought process, history, and why it is in pretty much constant conflict (inner and with any other civilization) for the past 1 400 years. Only after getting familiar with the doctrine, that defines Islam and shaped its history is one able to find an answer on such questions such as: What is Islam? How did Islam spread in the history? Why do the Islamic lands and societies look the way they do? As for the role of Islam in the European history - it can be summed up into two words: war and conquest. Even the so called "Golden Age" in Baghdad and Andalus, which is promoted anytime someone touches upon the history of Islamic conquests, upon detailed examination, was by far not that "Golden" as we're supposed to believe, but that would be for a whole other topic. __________________ CTG Media \| skype: carlosprague \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Want to make more with your Dating Traffic? \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles \| Did your ad revenue drop by 40 pct. or more last year?

03-17-2018, 10:28 AM	#15
celandina Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,868	We are fighting them for over 1000 years and then the "Merkelites" undo 1000 years of history in one generation. But we deserve it for being so stupid... next time I will vote for Charles:

03-17-2018, 03:12 PM	#17
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Just because she allowed the hoards in over the last few years. That doesn't make them part of the host nations culture. Maybe those who disagree will point out why Islamic Culture is part of German ow Western culture. Muslims certainly disagree that their culture is part of ours. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-19-2018, 05:11 AM	#31
CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,502	Some very misleading information, No Islam is not "racist", it accepts anybody who converts to it, and is, according to its doctrine, deemed supreme to any other group aka Jews Christians ("people of the book") or polytheists, it is supposed to rule over them. That does make it a totalitarian, supremacist ideology, but certainly not "racist" - hence the popular screams of "racism" against Muslims are a complete non sense. If you can apostate of it, it's not "race". On the contrary, if you can't apostate from it under the penalty of death, that makes it a totalitarian system. There are also certainly not "hundreds of millions" non-Muslims living in Islamic countries. While the total number worldwide may still be relatively high (perhaps it could even reach a 100 million). You need to keep in mind that before the first and second wave of Jihad, followed by the Osman conquests, all of those countries outside of the Arabian peninsula, where there may still be some miniscule original population left, were originally Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or Zarathustrian. The total number of non-Muslims living in truly Islamic countries worldwide today, will be at maximum 5 pct. And is constantly shrinking. This is the legacy of establishing the rule of Islam in these, originally non Islamic lands. Any other group was forced to either convert, or live in a second class citizen, "dhimmi" status (that was available for Jews and Christians). As a result eventually most either converted, fled, or were killed. __________________ CTG Media \| skype: carlosprague \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Want to make more with your Dating Traffic? \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles \| Did your ad revenue drop by 40 pct. or more last year?

03-19-2018, 05:39 AM	#33
CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,502	Hundreds of milions - no there are not. Is Islamic doctrine bullshit? I wish it was, but the Islamic world appears to still be shaped by it last time I checked. If it has no influence, and all "claims" are "bullshit", what was the reaction worldwide to the Mohammad cartoons? A misunderstanding? Can you say with a straight face that you can live exactly the same life as in the west in an Islamic country, or in any Islamic community? The people argument stops to be valid as soon as you'll bring into the picture an ideology that does not believe in universal humankind, such as Islam. Islam does not have a golden rule aka "do onto others as you'd wish them to do to you". This doesn't exist in Islam. "No country is perfect" is a strawman, I can't stab you with a knife since in other countries they stab people with a knife too. Again, the problem starts as soon as the ideology that is supposed to rule over my life justifies me stabbing you. __________________ CTG Media \| skype: carlosprague \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Want to make more with your Dating Traffic? \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles \| Did your ad revenue drop by 40 pct. or more last year?

03-19-2018, 12:34 PM	#40
mineistaken See signature :) Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ICQ 363 097 773 Posts: 29,656	dass waciss!

03-20-2018, 10:04 AM	#44
Tasty1 Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South-America Posts: 8,598	Looks like the majority of Germans agrees with him. Große Mehrheit der Deutschen stimmt Seehofers Islam-Aussage zu https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...flow _twitter __________________ everything is fake

03-20-2018, 11:05 AM	#47
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Muslims invaded most countries they "Converted". Jerusalem was never an Islamic country, Mecca wanted nothing to do with Islam until forced to by invasion. Istanbul was a Christian city until the Muslims built a huge cannon to knock down its wall. Spain, France, Hungary, the Balkans, North Africa, Middle East, Turkey, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo Islam's War to Save the World A very long list that proves Islam is the religion of war. And Islam is still at war with Muslims, Christians and everyone else. The Americans wouldn't be in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, aiding Saudi Arabia, etc. If Muslims weren't killing Muslims. The West would be happy to go back to a time when all we wanted was to buy their oil, but terrorist groups make that impossible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rorist_attacks only lists modern attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rrorist_groups They are just doing what their forefathers up to Mohammed did. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70