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Paul Markham · 07-29-2016, 11:15 AM

Two Reasons Why New gTLDs Had an Awful Week

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And make no mistake, it was truly awful. Eight new gTLDs entered the General Availability phase this week and their total day one registrations amount to 15,724. In other words, an average of less than 2,000 registration per new gTLD (1966, to be more precise).

How much are these really worth?

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Barry-xlovecam · 07-29-2016, 12:04 PM

Paul Markham had a terrible week -- his retirement check for $333 arrived a week late.

If you had the brains that god gave a bug Paul, which you have been busy proving all week you dont -- and further that you that you are living in an echo chamber -- hearing voices chanting Paul is great, Paul is great ... :0P Demons in you head maybe ...

That said

, should understand that the domain name market is having a flood.
Existing gTLDs that have been around for 10 or 20 years are seeing some serious name dilution and *may* suffer some serious devaluation of names that are being held for speculation.

New gTLDs are trying to sell their domain names in a flooded market.

Let me put it this way, at the lowest common denominator, if 50 new auto manufacturers were to start selling in your local market at the same time what do you think would happen?

I am not at all concerned with this -- we have millions of dollars of capital reserves to last years and I fully expect 1/3 of the new gTLDs to fail for reason that they have little to offer. We have niche markets to develop and platforms to sell with our domain names -- these guys don't have anything to offer with the exception of .string branding.

Most of these new names will retail for over $35 some more than $1000/yr per name.

Most of the old domineers are running a bit scared so you are just reading the latest "Trump News" -- panic reports. Troll bait -- hook, line and sinker --you are gullible ...

AdultKing · 07-29-2016, 12:08 PM

Edit: forget it. waste of time replying to Paul.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-29-2016, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Edit: forget it. waste of time replying to Paul.

He -- just reuse the meme

Paul Markham · 07-29-2016, 11:31 PM

Don't tell me, tell the journalist who wrote the article.

Time will tell if he's right or wrong.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-30-2016, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Don't tell me, tell the journalist who wrote the article.

Time will tell if he's right or wrong.

He is not a journalist -- he is an opinion writer for a domaineer website -- hardly unbiased as the new gTLDs are a dilution threat to his readers' investments. "A new mine opened next door and if they strike new mineral wealth we are going to lose a lot of money on the minerals we have stored." Domain names are virtual gold.

It's like a stockbroker calling his clients telling them to hold on even though the market is getting very volatile.

Meantime someone (the rumor is that it is Verisign (the .com registry) ) just paid ICANN $130 million for .web -- but what the fuck does Verisign know?
from Jul 28, 2016 10-Q quarterly report

Hey Verisign LOOK!-- the Barbarians are at your gates

https://investor.verisign.com/secfil...11&CIK=1014473

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The business environment is highly competitive and, if we do not compete effectively, we may suffer lower demand for our products, price reductions, reduced gross margins and loss of market share.
The internet and communications network services industries are characterized by rapid technological change and frequent new product and service announcements which require us continually to improve the performance, features and reliability of our services, particularly in response to competitive offerings or alternatives to our products and services. In order to remain competitive and retain our market position, we must continually improve our access to technology and software, support the latest transmission technologies, and adapt our products and services to changing market conditions and our customers? and internet users? preferences and practices, or launch entirely new products and services such as new gTLDs in anticipation of, or in response to, market trends. We cannot assure that competing technologies developed by others or the emergence of new industry standards will not adversely affect our competitive position or render our services or technologies noncompetitive or obsolete. In addition, our markets are characterized by announcements of collaborative relationships involving our competitors. The existence or announcement of any such relationships could adversely affect our ability to attract and retain customers. As a result of the foregoing and other factors, we may not be able to compete effectively with current or future competitors, and competitive pressures that we face could materially harm our business.
We face competition in the domain name registry space from other gTLD and ccTLD registries that are competing for the business of entities and individuals that are seeking to obtain a domain name registration and/or establish a web presence. We have applied for new gTLDs including certain IDN gTLDs; however, there is no guarantee that such new gTLDs will be as or more successful than the new gTLDs obtained by our competitors. For example, some of the new gTLDs, including our new gTLDs, may face additional universal acceptance and usability challenges in that current desktop and mobile device software does not ubiquitously recognize these new gTLDs and may be slow to adopt standards or support these gTLDs, even if demand for such products is strong. This is particularly true for IDN gTLDs, but applies to conventional gTLDs as well. As a result of these challenges, it is possible that resolution of domain names within some of these new gTLDs may be blocked within certain state or organizational environments, challenging universal resolvability of these strings and their general acceptance and usability on the internet.
See the ?Competition? section in Part I, Item 1 of the Company?s Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2015, which was filed on February 19, 2016, for further information.

The shit storm is starting DON'T SELL the market will come back ... famous last words

Paul Markham · 07-31-2016, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

He is not a journalist -- he is an opinion writer for a domaineer website -- hardly unbiased as the new gTLDs are a dilution threat to his readers' investments. "A new mine opened next door and if they strike new mineral wealth we are going to lose a lot of money on the minerals we have stored." Domain names are virtual gold.

It's like a stockbroker calling his clients telling them to hold on even though the market is getting very volatile.

Meantime someone (the rumor is that it is Verisign (the .com registry) ) just paid ICANN $130 million for .web -- but what the fuck does Verisign know?
from Jul 28, 2016 10-Q quarterly report

Hey Verisign LOOK!-- the Barbarians are at your gates

Now that's a counter debate. Thank you.

Only time will tell if enough people will buy .webcam years after year to make it worth the investment. The .web one is a big gamble until .com run out of possibilities. Then will people go to .net instead?

As for big companies fucking up. Did you miss 2008?

What if webcams become dominated by 20 companies with 20 sites each? Will the remaining affiliates buy enough to fill the gap? .net is something anyone can use.

I don't know and neither does anyone else, it's speculative.

pimpmaster9000 · 07-31-2016, 02:28 AM

reasons most gTLD-s will fail:

1) high prices for premium words and terms for some of the extensions...if you want wide adoption you can not price gouge like an aged .com...nobody will pay $xxxx for a "premium" .top or whatever...
2) low prices...will be swept up by domain investors and spammers... https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/tlds/
3) spam filters...mail from new gTLDs mostly gets blocked...there is a very widely accepted practice of blocking the new extensions because there are so few end users, but so many spammers...if end users can not send emails, this will cripple the extension and its adoption by a wider market...
4) most end users do not know about them...and there are so many of them <---bigger problem because: confusion... .com is easier to remember than .accountant for example...now they not only have to remember your company name but also your long ass extension...
5) ccTLDs are still abundant and better known than gTLDs

AllAboutCams · 07-31-2016, 03:42 AM

I just looked at a few .webcam names and they are stupid money

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2016, 05:25 AM

@crucifissio And meantime Verisign (or someone else? TBD) pays $130 Million to get in on the game. Maybe, they need a tax write off this year?

IDN

I do know that they took all of the applicants to arbitration making the ridiculousness claim that .com and .cam would confuse the customer. Get this: we hired a PhD to do a Internet Idiot Survey and prove it was not confusing to the Arbitration Panel

I told the lawyers to use the argument "look at your key board -- Where is the 'a' key ? Where is the 'o' key? Where is the confusion? Tell me please? " Cleaned their clock

Hate to tell you but 1 -3 number names are worth over $5000 and dictionary word names that are popular search terms vary in value anywhere from $100 to $100,000. Also, that is 1/10 of the current .com sales prices.

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Look Chang · 07-31-2016, 06:01 AM

Don't worry, be happy...

BlackCrayon · 07-31-2016, 08:04 AM

the worst thing they did with new gtlds is let them be privately owned. that alone says its all about making icann money more than anything else.

the games these guys play are ridiculous...from domains that renew at 10k per year to holding backs tens of thousands to sell for themselves, its a farce and does not do what it was intended at all.

then you have the dollar store new gtlds like xyz or science or whatever else. only a buck,..only a penny! wow, valuable commodity.

ilnjscb · 07-31-2016, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Look Chang

Don't worry, be happy...

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the worst thing they did with new gtlds is let them be privately owned. that alone says its all about making icann money more than anything else.

the games these guys play are ridiculous...from domains that renew at 10k per year to holding backs tens of thousands to sell for themselves, its a farce and does not do what it was intended at all.

then you have the dollar store new gtlds like xyz or science or whatever else. only a buck,..only a penny! wow, valuable commodity.

l4m3bitter <* GFY special

I kept 50K names as premium; every 90 days We are considering releasing the unsold ones ASC ^ from the lowest price up in 5% (percentile) batches 2,000+- names till we get to 10,000 maybe. I am looking at 10 years to monetize this many names.
We get to keep 100 names as Registry Reserve.
One that we are keeping is sex.cam amd of course cam.cam.

Verisign is rumored to have paid ICANN $130 Million for .web.

Have a nice Sunday Afternoon

myleene · 07-31-2016, 10:54 AM

In a few years all owners of gTLDs will cry about domain-squatters (having the .com), not getting good search rankings and leaking traffic to the .com.

gTLDs look cheap and they utterly suck.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2016, 01:06 PM

So you say -- I say sour grapes.

BlackCrayon · 07-31-2016, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

l4m3bitter <* GFY special

I kept 50K names as premium; every 90 days We are considering releasing the unsold ones ASC ^ from the lowest price up in 5% (percentile) batches 2,000+- names till we get to 10,000 maybe. I am looking at 10 years to monetize this many names.
We get to keep 100 names as Registry Reserve.
One that we are keeping is sex.cam amd of course cam.cam.

Verisign is rumored to have paid ICANN $130 Million for .web.

Have a nice Sunday Afternoon

if icann really wanted create more namespace for people they should of just wildcarded the whole thing so anyone can have anything.anything holding back whatever combos might cause problems with intranets and then contracted out the management. this is about sucking pockets dry for whatever reason. like i said, it doesn't do what its intended to.

as for verisign, they are only contracted to manage .com. they dont own it and won't manage it forever. .web was in part defensive and in part an investment but since they have some 9 billion in the bank, its next to nothing to them.

i sell 10k worth of .com domains per week...do you sell 10k worth of .cam domains per week?

pimpmaster9000 · 07-31-2016, 05:56 PM

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Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2016, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

If you can offer a live cam infrastructure, not just adult but stuff like livestreaming and security cams, and deliver the whole thing via domain, with a player and panel and cloud backup...then you are probably set with the .cam...

Think so

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2016, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

if icann really wanted create more namespace for people they should of just wildcarded the whole thing so anyone can have anything.anything holding back whatever combos might cause problems with intranets and then contracted out the management. this is about sucking pockets dry for whatever reason. like i said, it doesn't do what its intended to.

as for verisign, they are only contracted to manage .com. they dont own it and won't manage it forever. .web was in part defensive and in part an investment but since they have some 9 billion in the bank, its next to nothing to them.

i sell 10k worth of .com domains per week...do you sell 10k worth of .cam domains per week?

Delegated is the technical word

.com Registry Agreement

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(1 December 2012)
REGISTRY AGREEMENT

This REGISTRY AGREEMENT (this "Agreement") is entered into as of 1 December 2012 by and between Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, a California nonprofit public benefit corporation ("ICANN"), and VeriSign, Inc. a Delaware corporation.

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Section 4.1 Term. The initial term of this Agreement shall expire on November 30, 2018. The Expiration Date shall be November 30, 2018, as extended by any renewal terms.

Section 4.2 Renewal. This Agreement shall be renewed upon the expiration of the term set forth in Section 4.1 above and each later term, unless the following has occurred :

https://www.icann.org/resources/page...-2012-12-05-en

ICANN "owns DOMAIN strings" Delegates the string to a registry.
Domain Names commonly called "domains" are leasehold properties and owned by the registry by the authority of ICANN.
Registry Agreements are renewable in perpetually when there is no breach of the other conditions stated -- they are not fully renegotiated.

So wrong on the 1st count and wrong on the 2nd count? WTF ?

If you sell $10K a week good for you.
That does not change the fact that the big money is in the registry business -- how many registries do you own ? -0-
We are not even in Sunrise yet so that is not a fair question to ask.
Why get testy with me when you have absolutely nothing to gain?

Good luck. You sell $10K a week but how many do you buy or are you just selling for a commission? Principle or agent?

Ask me in a year what we are selling a year from now.

Wildcard delegations? LOL, ICANN would laugh you out of the room on that. String delegation is not DNS.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

I just looked at a few .webcam names and they are stupid money

If you have one shop selling apples, it makes a fortune. If you have 10 shops selling exactly the same apples, the one at the top of the street (.com) makes the most, the rest feed off what's left (.net, .info, .xxx, .co.uk, .webcam, etc.)

It's not rocket science. Because the one thing these new gLTDs can create is more traffic. Which is awful in a market where .FREESHIT rules. And at the moment the only growth in porn are free sites.

slavdogg · 08-01-2016, 12:30 AM

As of this writing, there have been 23 million newTLD domains registered.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Look Chang

Don't worry, be happy...

I approve this message.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the worst thing they did with new gtlds is let them be privately owned. that alone says its all about making icann money more than anything else.

the games these guys play are ridiculous...from domains that renew at 10k per year to holding backs tens of thousands to sell for themselves, its a farce and does not do what it was intended at all.

then you have the dollar store new gtlds like xyz or science or whatever else. only a buck,..only a penny! wow, valuable commodity.

The worse thing they did was create them. They were to make money for a few and add nothing to the Internet.

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Paul Markham had a terrible week -- his retirement check for $333 arrived a week late. If you had the brains that god gave a bug Paul, which you have been busy proving all week you dont -- and further that you that you are living in an echo chamber -- hearing voices chanting Paul is great, Paul is great ... :0P Demons in you head maybe ... That said , should understand that the domain name market is having a flood. Existing gTLDs that have been around for 10 or 20 years are seeing some serious name dilution and may suffer some serious devaluation of names that are being held for speculation. New gTLDs are trying to sell their domain names in a flooded market. Let me put it this way, at the lowest common denominator, if 50 new auto manufacturers were to start selling in your local market at the same time what do you think would happen? I am not at all concerned with this -- we have millions of dollars of capital reserves to last years and I fully expect 1/3 of the new gTLDs to fail for reason that they have little to offer. We have niche markets to develop and platforms to sell with our domain names -- these guys don't have anything to offer with the exception of .string branding. Most of these new names will retail for over $35 some more than $1000/yr per name. Most of the old domineers are running a bit scared so you are just reading the latest "Trump News" -- panic reports. Troll bait -- hook, line and sinker --you are gullible ...

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	@crucifissio And meantime Verisign (or someone else? TBD) pays $130 Million to get in on the game. Maybe, they need a tax write off this year? IDN I do know that they took all of the applicants to arbitration making the ridiculousness claim that .com and .cam would confuse the customer. Get this: we hired a PhD to do a Internet Idiot Survey and prove it was not confusing to the Arbitration Panel I told the lawyers to use the argument "look at your key board -- Where is the 'a' key ? Where is the 'o' key? Where is the confusion? Tell me please? " Cleaned their clock Hate to tell you but 1 -3 number names are worth over $5000 and dictionary word names that are popular search terms vary in value anywhere from $100 to $100,000. Also, that is 1/10 of the current .com sales prices. But here are some spun names that will be open registration: herpestennis demonwhisky roguekit.tube < talk to .tube ioprices weedprices airsoda creditdss buttremedy airpierre potank moneydomain wankanoa nowjigsaw workercaviar czechterm profitfleece.trump <-- this came to mind but there is no .trump scoutperson teamcruz <-- for 2020 russia902 autospizza pcpbrandy poopsunday.cs <-joke name directinjury.lawyer <-for slip and fall ambulance chasers netcradle methdishes plasmamaster bloodlawn stressponcho indianmats statustank vaporjackson faithcurso sobbuddy wokdiving plaqueuno l4m3bitter <* GFY special +++++ semi premium 1+1 name spins (edited for marketability ) adult.cam domain names (I haven't priced them yet) cumjizz cumpenis cumporn cuntjizz dongodick dongorape dongosex dongxxx fagdick fagfuck fuckdongo fuckedboobs fuckedcum fuckedfaggot fuckedtwinks fuckporn gaybitch gaybooty gayfuck gaynasty homoass homonaked homopeni homoshit hornylick hornysex hornytwinks jizznympho jizzsexual jizzslave kinkifag kinkifucked kinkigai kinkiwhore licksex lustbitch lustgay nastyboobs nastydick nudeanal nuditysex nymphotit pornnaked pornnude pornoslave porntwink pussybooty sexeytits sexkinki sexlust sextits sexualporn sexualtwat sexysex sexytit slavebitch slavesex slutfuck titslatina titsslut twatporn twinkfatass twinkhooker whorebi xxxsexy ======== Find names like these to brand in a dot com and price them

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BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	the worst thing they did with new gtlds is let them be privately owned. that alone says its all about making icann money more than anything else. the games these guys play are ridiculous...from domains that renew at 10k per year to holding backs tens of thousands to sell for themselves, its a farce and does not do what it was intended at all. then you have the dollar store new gtlds like xyz or science or whatever else. only a buck,..only a penny! wow, valuable commodity. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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