brassmonkey

mindgeek is buying it all!!!

Dear Affiliates,

We're excited to inform you about the following upcoming changes and hope this is great news for you as well!

Starting with 8th of August 2016 we are moving entirely to a new affiliates platform and domain.
This is cash4members.com and as a result we will no longer accept any new incoming joins with this date in relation to the current existing affiliate program.Also, the White Label sites will be discontinued with the same date, 8th of August 2016.

This transition is meant to offer you more tools and sites to sell and thus to earn more money!
We encourage ALL webmasters to go and register their new accounts under cash4members.com now, start creating campaigns and promote us!

Fear NOT, your payment will be issued as we did continuously since 2005 and your revshare earnings will still be added to your account balance and payouts!!!
You will still have access to your affiliate account at webcams affiliate login link until 31st of August 2016 and you can still see the statistics.

1. Click the button below
2. Register your cash4members.com affiliate account

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xsabn

and the old traffic will be moved here?

brassmonkey

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Paul Markham

If an affiliate found a new and better way to make money, he would dump all his existing sponsors in a heartbeat.

Why is it wrong to do it the other way around?

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that other site is mydirtyhobby which is mostly German and some French - while webcams com is north america mostly (and I think they keep it up, unlikely dismantled). You sure?

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AllAboutCams

Great so will the new site Have WL

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Not sure but as far as I know currently no WL is available for it.

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Barry-xlovecam

^^ graduate of the Trump School of Business

You don't fuck all of your partners with planning and premeditation.
I would redirect all the affiliates' legacy links.
Server redirect with the parameters? Big fucking deal.
A script to rewrite the parameters to the new ones? Big fucking deal.

HowlingWulf

Pretty shitty way to handle it.

To all webcam.com affiliates: we won't pay you for joins after Aug 8th. Try cash4members.com instead!

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yeah they must not have had a lot of affiliate traffic to make even worthwhile to do the move properly? cause nobody will promote them after this...

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moving my WL domains elsewhere

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sigh.....

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Paul Markham

So if an affiliate is a partner and the sponsor has done all the work in creating the site, supporting the sponsor, etc.

Why should the partner affiliates fuck the sponsors by pulling the links?

Why not keep those links and make new ones to new sponsors?

As you said the affiliate is a partner. I'm assuming you do a lot of work for your partners and it's all lost if they don't stick to their part of the partnership.

Or is it only the affiliate who's allowed to fuck his partner sponsor?

I'm illustrating the blinkered approach this industry took, that has no logic. Both are independent businessmen, both work hard at working together for as long as it please both of them, both have the right to change their business model at any time. Especially when it suits one to break the partnership.

Affiliates promote sites that suit them and sponsors should have equal rights.

Once they sign a contracted that states a length of time before changing course, then there's a dispute.

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Paul Markham

Nobody???

They must have calculated this and thought it was worth it. This is business, not a social club. what makes me question is the attitude of people who will pull links at a moment's notice because something else is more profitable, then scream when others do that back.

How long would it take an affiliate to pull traffic from site A and move it to site B, if site B paid more?

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I thought webcams.com belonged to them for years now.

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i dont think they care much about affiliates

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brassmonkey

you always find something to bitch about. this is the official label.

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3xmedia

hmm... but they keep spamming my emails with that new program

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So now they own:

65 pornhub.com
181 redtube.com
217 youporn.com
393 tube8.com
1351 xtube.com
1578 brazzers.com
2230 pornmd.com
5145 realitykings.com
6513 thumbzilla.com
7023 digitalplayground.com
9035 mydirtyhobby.com
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10533 mofos.com
12787 gaytube.com
13546 babes.com
18675 twistys.com
57894 sextube.com
124783 porniq.com
140472 peeperz.com
152657 webcams.com

The number is the Alexa rank.

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3xmedia

how about spankwire.com, extremetube.com, keezmovies.com, etc., etc...

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Barry-xlovecam

Contracts on the Internet are unilateral and contracts of adhesion.

Reputable and honorable business partners do not cheat each other.

That is where law and ethics may not coincide but so what?
Screw people and your business reputation is shit -- that is called reality.

Paul Markham

Where is the contract that says they have to keep the affiliates? Where is the partnership deal that says they have to keep affiliates?

They own
65 pornhub.com
181 redtube.com
217 youporn.com
393 tube8.com
1351 xtube.com
1578 brazzers.com
2230 pornmd.com
5145 realitykings.com
6513 thumbzilla.com
7023 digitalplayground.com
9035 mydirtyhobby.com
9683 men.com
10533 mofos.com
12787 gaytube.com
13546 babes.com
18675 twistys.com
57894 sextube.com
124783 porniq.com
140472 peeperz.com
152657 webcams.com
spankwire.com, extremetube.com, keezmovies.com, etc., etc...

The number is the Alexa rank.

Clearly, they don't need affiliates who cost them more money than they're worth. If the affiliates cost nothing and brought in enough sales, they would keep them. With all those sites they can put adverts on Tubes and other sites and get free joins.

They can adopt a new model of promoting webcam models who have done porn or will do.

Take this as a warning, the business is adapting and people who were once courted and made to feel important are now excess baggage.

Why do you care, would Xlovecam keep a part of the business that no longer shows a profit? Affiliates have proven they wouldn't.

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Google Expert

it's just to created hype / publicity

with the amount of traffic they own, i dont think affiliates matter to them much

xsabn

Are you serious?? i know affiliates with 500 static sites. Do you know what means to change links on 500 static sites??

My opinion is they are trying to get some free money.

rowan

+1

Bet there's a heap of affiliates who have forgotten where their links are. Yo Paul, most of us don't have a magic "change all links to the new program" button.

It's not just that you have to change the links, you still need to FIND them, too. webcams.com referral stats are limited to a 31 day range, and it looks like you have to click each individual day to see URL details, so it's going to take a fair bit of work (hundreds of clicks) for an affiliate with several sites to find the source of their recent sales.

Looks from recent stats that my links expired with the domains I let drop, but I cannot be 100% sure there isn't still an active link somewhere. THAT is the problem, Paul.

Paul Markham

Would you change them if they were making less money than other sites would?

I know they are. The problem affiliates have is most are becoming irrelevant or unprofitable. The amount of "free money" they will gain isn't worth enough to scare them.

Look who Mindgeek own. Why should they bother with an unprofitable sector of their business?

There's no written contract, no oral contract between a site and an affiliate that says you have to keep accepting or sending traffic. In fact, I'll bet the Terms state both are free to change at any time. More often than both are tied to each other.

This shows how important affiliate traffic is to Mindgeek. THAT is the problem, Rowan.

A list of who you promoted and on what site, was too much work for you.

A man who understands business.

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daniel_webcams

Hi Guys,

The Webcams.com product is going to be promoted from inside Cash4Members.com sometime soon. For the moment we are working on the technical implementation. For this reason it is not available under Cash4Members.com yet.

Our future plans are even greater for webcams.com and our affiliates. The goal of this change is to bring a better affiliate program and a stronger product with much higher conversion rates.

We are asking all our business partners to change their links with new ones generated inside Cash4Members.com and start promoting MyDirtyHobby.com in order to keep their incoming earnings and jump on a higher scale. This will buy us time to properly make the implementation of webcams.com inside the new affiliate program.

Rest assured, we are not dumping anyone. We are aiming to continue doing business with the current partners by offering them an alternative for making stronger earnings, while we will make the transition of the affiliate program.

I wanted to bring in some light on this topic in a transparent and honest way.

Thank you,

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Barry-xlovecam

Because I am not a sleazeball that will intentionally screw my business partners -- apparently you think this is justifiable.

What is your new motto Paul "Chump and Dump"?
Fuck off.
There is -0- chance of you doing business with anyone here now. Even the chump artists know that you will try to chump them.

You apparently have no ethics like too many people in business


You already bought your ticket -- enjoy the ride

brassmonkey

what is the reason for moving it?? shutting off the whitelables in a week sounds like a dump. can affiliates cashout if they don't agree?

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Barry-xlovecam

Mindgeek made a very bad policy decision here. They have quite a few affiliate programs and are willing to ruin any trust by taking one affiliate program that Mindgeek *MAY* see as not that profitable and jeopardizing their trust and reputation of their whole affiliate network.

Who ever thought this cluster fuck up should hit the bricks. This is one is a classic to be remembered.

brassmonkey

not saying this is happening. if you get rid of affiliates the pot gets bigger

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What a roster!!!

Paul Markham

Do your partner affiliates play by the same ethics as you?

That's the part you refuse to understand.

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Paul Markham

Barry seems to think he has to stay poorer to keep affiliates earning a living. While affiliates can jump boat at any time.

The future is very big companies taking the traffic, then the need for affiliates who can't work on their own and get the revenue given to them will go.

What I find strange is all the bitching and bleeding hearts. Where were they when they were killing offline porn?

What goes around comes around.

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So traffic is king?

Barry-xlovecam

Fuck you Paul.
You show your true colors here.

This is why you are out of business.
Real reason.

Barry-xlovecam

No Paul is KING. King of the castle in is mind.

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EddyTheDog

Paul - You really don't get the affiliate/program relationship at all - Affiliates are doing them a favor by bringing in sales - They are not doing me a favor by letting me make them money - That's why they provide tools and incentives - Affiliates can pick and choose - For now anyway...

When someone pulls shit like this it reflects badly on the company - Although Mindgeeks reputation is so bad already you have to question the sanity of anyone still promoting them.....

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No content is king. The company with the content sets the rules it wants to live by.

My point is most here think the company with the content has to keep to the rules the affiliates don't keep to. And so far no one has addressed my point.

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Paul Markham

Yes, my true colours are both parties need to accept the same rules. You seem to think that's not right.

That's why I was able to retire on a pension plan that will keep me warm for my lifetime and Eva's after I'm gone.

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Paul Markham

No one is doing anyone a favour in business. It's about making money.

The business is changing rapidly and most affiliates have gone or going. Should a company hold onto yesterday's model or go to tomorrow's model?

And as I repeatedly point out, affiliates demand the right to change who they promote at any time. Here we see them demanding a Sponsor doesn't change. Can yousay why it's right that one can change and the other can't>

As for Mindgeek, they are part of tomorrow reputation doesn't mean $$$$

Your argument and others here are like those working in Detroit building cars 20 years ago. Or

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Paul has 2 affiliates lefty and righty -- his affiliate program is his dick.

rowan

I'm owed nothing and apparently have no remaining links (or any that generate clicks) so I'm all done. Bye bye webcams.com