Pseudonymous

Also gisele, i recommend you request a login to ccbill and choose whoever you choose to partner up with, based on how much money their best site has made within the past 2-3 years. And if closer to 2 or 3 years, expect a decent drop from that.

Your site shouldn't gross less than 10k a month.

Dont listen to talk.

Also get a contract that states that you get 50 percent of net profit. So you can go after them legally for your money incase they tried screwing you over

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A gross of 10k a month, is only $120,000/year, after all ccbill fees (15%), affiliates estimate (25%) leaves $78,000 and then another 50% off that for a webmaster split? She's only left with $39,000 for the year. She's better off on doing it on her own and paying people for what she needs if she needs it.

His Infernal Majesty

It really sucks! There was no way to tell, things were great until they weren't Are you going to start something in-house with your models now?

2MuchMark

There's no way that CCBill or any other biller would grant access to an account to anyone else but the owner who signed the agreement with CCBill.

Evildoings or not, the biller would be wide-open to a lawsuit and would probably lose.

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I said minimum. and 40k (net + no investment) a year for a solo model in 2012 is good. sites launch 2012+ dont exactly pull in the numbers you are probably familiar with. I was also talking about sales, not including extra webcam revenues.

And a model is NEVER better off doing it herself. This isn't 2004, its 2012 and even the biggest programs stopped launching sites because they can't make sense of doing it anymore. There are few left that can, do you really think Gisele would be able to with hired help? Who would this hired help be? Where is she going to get this affiliate database? build it up? If youre talking about her paying for a webmaster to build this all for her and turn her content into a high source of revenue, how much do you think this is worth, shes got content, there are few people who can turn that into a source of revenue , a 120k a year business. How much do you think she'll have to pay this perosn to start it all up and not ask for a percent?? she'll also have to pay out of her pocket for designs, editors, etc

To pay a model outright costs over 10k. And thats just to build the product, the person who turns a product into a source of revenue is worth much more. Supply and demand, few quality solo program owners who can reach 10k+ a site and the amount of potential models are endless for softcore modeling

None of that makes sense. I could go on forever of why a model won't make a dime without a program. 50 percent of 10k+ a month is better than 100 percent of 2-3 k a month profit like 90 percent of solo girl sites out there. Which are ran by legit webmasters and not models

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Pseudonymous

CCBill grant access? You can give them your login. You can contact support and have them change your password after 5 minutes by answering some questions and proving your identity.

There is absolutely zero things they could change that would hurt you, since you could change things back.

Im not sure but as far as i know, i dont see an issue with that

Also isnt' there a way to setup an account for just showing stats, from conversations with other program owners, i believe their models have access to view stats without having control of changing important data

Ive never had to do this because there is no need for myself to show stats to my models

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Affiliates estimate is an estimate that affiliates at 50% revshare would make half your sales, so it's 25% off gross. But it's different for every site, so that's why I said estimate.

I'd agree with you 100% for a model just starting out who needs to build a fanbase. Gisele is tops, though. Huge following, works hard, knows her stuff. I imagine even she was handling the content production herself already, too. Whomever she chooses to work with won't be building from scratch, she already has a lot of that stuff in place. She's just been involved in bad deals. I just want her to have a stable site so I can promote it.

Look at what Nikki Sims has accomplished on her own. And this is no offense to you, because you run killer sites, but 90% of solo girl sites end up only making that much a lot of times because of goofy webmasters. Case in point with the girls here.

His Infernal Majesty

Yes, you can set up an account in the CCBill admin just so they can view stats and not make changes on things. All of the models I work with have access to their stats in this manner.

Pseudonymous

Im confused because i dont actually know the Nikki Sims story but isn't Nikki Sims new site partnered up with PinkVelvetVault? Are you saying she built pinkvelvetvault and got those affiliates onboard? Also you have no idea how much she pulls in, if you have been told a number, doesn't mean its accurate. Then on top of that, nikkisims was registered in 2007. That was during much much better times in the solo market, sadly not many program owners in solo know how much things decrease each year because nobody is launching anything lately, Joey from pinkvelvet launched kendra rain recently, look where that went. Every year makes a drastic difference. Nikki Sims also was one of those girls that came during the big boom (as nextdoornikki), which means she was able to attract a huge audience and build a fanbase thats impossible to post gisele time, it's similar to hockey, big names like wayne gretzky and gordie howe will forever be remembered, why? because they played during a time where there were dynasties and superstars were made. nowadays, theres alot of parody and even amazing players won't be remembered for a 100 years. NextDoorNikki/Kates Playground could forever make a ton of money. Its not a proper comparison

Huge following and works hard doesn't really make a huge difference. It helps, but its not a huge difference. Sadly her following on MFC won't turn into mad sales, neither will her twitter followers.

It will turn into sales for sure, but her site isn't going to be making more than 30 percent more because of that.

And she were to start it on her own, if she only targeted her mfc fans and twitter fans, etc - her member base would be tiny. Its getting your content across the web that matters. something she has no experience in. building a new affiliate base is HARD. it was hard for myself even and ive been doing this a long time. every year that goes by, less and less affiliates, a model can really take advantage of programs that launched a few years ago because they had the ability to get more affiliates signed up and onboard

Look at Hailey(haileyshideaway), her site was one of the few that did real well in the past couple years, one of the VERY few! and she just tried to launch something where she had more control, shes not making anything. She had a good following. Doesn't do you anything unless you have a great webmaster.

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Mutt

if 40K net is good in 2012 for a solo girl site and you may be right then i'll be done with it - waste of time.

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Oh i was referring to the models 50 percent cut, he thought her cut being 40k was little, which you and I are both well aware of, isn't little (infact its very high) and almost all models would love that

A model doing it on her own would never see that, even without all the money she'd need to invest herself and being the webmaster herself.

With that said, shes not even filling the webmaster role herself, shes well aware she isn't a webmaster. And a webmaster is not a part time job. She would need to hire somebody full time . And the million other costs, so 40k a month wouldn't be touched in a self owned project

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Mutt

I told you what I thought Gisele could net a month and you laughed at me.

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Also i have come to notice alot of you older owners who haven't launched much recently tend to still think they make insane numbers, so it begs me to ask the question, what sites do you think make 10k+ in gross a month? which is 6k net profit a month that have launched in the past 2-3 years. Because ill have them confirm for you its not true. lol

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Pseudonymous

Actually your number is what i used as an example. Which would equal to 40k a year for her.

I did laugh because i dont think its reasonable to expect that and no other site is pulling that in (that has launched in the past 2-3 years). Do i think she could? Sure. If she went with one of the top 3 solo site owners in the business and she partners up. I dont believe shes going to be though.

Anyway i used your VERY high number of what she could make and he said that was low and she would be better off doing it herself.

Now what do you think? ;)

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His Infernal Majesty

Nikki is a main partner of PVV, she has control of her site and content and I would say she is the highest grossing solo model these days. I do agree with a lot of what you say, I just think Gisele is on a whole other level than Haileyshideaway and could make it work even within the realm of gross you provided by not giving up 50%. I don't know Hailey's story but perhaps she tried to run on her own because she wasn't making money off her other site? I don't really know.

There are very few solo webmasters who could bring anything new to the table for her: you, PVV, Mutt, Bella Cash and Epic Panda Cash. Maybe some of the programs that run the solo sites of pornstars, but I am not really aware of how they do business or convert. Outside of those, though, who can even do what you say is needed?

Pseudonymous

You can have control of your site and money without being the reason its making money. Nikki still had to partner up to get the money that it is making.

And yes she is probably one of the highest grossing for sure, like i said, i expect all girls that had sites during the boom to be making the most and its not at all reasonable to expect any other girl to reach near that. I sure hope she isn't shown numbers from a site that launched in 2007 and had a following dating back to long before that. Because she'll be setup for disappointment.

You say BellaCash, i find that interesting. Because on the outside looking in, i see a program that changed all their designs into stock elevatedx designs in order to spark something, then i saw them change from not offering pussy in promo to offering full on hardcore in promo, now he has his girlfriend shooting masturbation stuff AND including it in promo. These are signs of a drastic decrease. I also went to highschool with one of the models as we share alot of the same friends and have been told some of the numbers shes been paid before

His sites arent pulling in high numbers. James is well aware of where solo sites are going and their current state and i dont believe that view is super optimistic

Mutt hasn't launched anything recently and is going to be surprised when he sees a drastic decrease and considering how highly i think of him and i agree, hes one of the best, if not the best if he tried harder... that says alot of what i think sites can make in 2012.

PinkVelvetVault hasn't launched anything recently that has been a big hit, so to assume they know of what a big hit can make in 2012 is a bit crazy. Looking at Nikkis numbers for a comparison is absurd.

EpicPanda, well they have had a recent girl but i can tell you one thing, its not making 10k+ a month. But then again, shes not exactly a top model either.

Youre right about all those being good options in comparison to others in the niche but as far as expecting the insane numbers you/gisele and others who haven't launched a big site recently expect, well... i think shes going to be disappointed again, i have no doubt shes going to be told inasne numbers by whoever works with her next. Mainly because alot of of you have inflated numbers in your head because of past projects

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No, I think you misunderstood. I do not think 10k gross a month is easy these days, at all. I would say opening in that time frame, maybe just Bryci does numbers like that. I was making the point if she's going to make 10k with a webmaster or without, she's better off doing it on her own to keep turn more of that into profit. Once she's giving up 50% she might as well consider if doing 5k a month is just as worth it and keeping complete control of her site. That was the point I was trying to make. I don't think that hold true for every model -- or even most models -- but I do for her.

It is very hard these days in this niche. Unless a girl has no interest in MFC, then it's probably not even worth her time to be involved in a solo site.

Mutt

PSJ does gross 10K+ a month - probably not for much longer tho. Not many people in this biz share numbers - wish they did, I do.

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Yep I know it does. Thats why i said go with the people who can do that. I can name all the sites that do. And yours is one of the VERY few to do so in the past 2 1/2 years... 2 years later, do you still expect 10k+ though? Considering jewel was a huge success and that was 2 years ago. Its no secret theres a 10 percent decrease each year in regards to a ceiling. I know you still do sort of but thats because youre an optimist ;) Ill bump this thread when catie launches soon and you've been put back into reality. My main point is that 10k is a very accurate number when it comes to who she wants to partner up with and she would not come close to getting that without a partner.

And that number mutt is pulling in is with an an affiliate database dating back to early 2000s (which she couldn't obtain if she didn't partner up)

sadly the difference between an new program and an old program when it comes to an affiliate base is very large. mutt knows very well how many old programs no longer add new programs to their list.

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the importance of the webmaster/program is much less important now - there's so few affiliates/sites left who can send a solo girl sites consistent sales. you know who they are and all of those webmasters are always looking for new solo sites to promote, if Gisele or any other good model launched a site it wouldn't take long before PetiteTeenager, YourDailyGirls, Freeones etc found them. There are no secret affiliates out there with tons of sales to send to a revshare solo girl site.

Solo sites need lots of updates so that the remaining good affiliates have content to put out there.

What pisses me off are the sites that could be promoting the newer solo girl sites but for whatever reason keep featuring 5 year old content of Raven Riley, Melissa Midwest, Kate, Dawson, Jordan Capri, Ariel Rebel etc I gave up trying to reach those guys.

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Bryci was launched in 07 or so. No later than 08. And yes thats one of the more recent bigger sites, shows yeah something when somebody asks for recent and a 2007-2008 site is what you can name. Since then Katie Banks, Talia Shepherd, AvaDawn, etc haven't done much. I mean they do decent and he knows what hes doing. But as far as numbers youre talking about. Nope.

10k is gross a month, not net. Net is 7k a month.

So its either she gets 3500 a month which is 40k a year like i said.

OR

4-5k (which isnt even likely) a month with these costs:


wowza - 50-60 a month
security software - 50 a month
hosting - 300 a month
full time webmaster help - 1500-2500 a month (pay for a webmaster to do everything for you for a couple months until its up, who would that be? that wouldn't ask for a percent? after doing all the ground work and if you did, it sure wouldn't be cheap. i dont believe this model who was screwed from payments has crazy capital to be paying employees outright before its launched)
affiliate software - 150 a month
her paysite design - 1500
her program design - ?? she could make a default ugly one with no customization
integrated tour - 1000
cms - 50-150 a month
editing of 30 sets and 20 videos to start - from my experience, more than 1k for sure
on top of this, paying her photographer.

Then build up an affiliate database that is 50 percent of other peoples.

Sorry how much is she left with?

Given 7k is for the best programs out there, lets say this non existing webmaster gets her 5k a month (also not happening) - that'd leave her with pennies

Established programs can profit more easily with solo paysites because the costs are lower because they run multiple girls and are already paying for things such as cms/affiliate software/hosting, etc etc

That combined with a large established affiliate database makes it the right option for all models

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Pseudonymous

Thats a pretty silly post, you are highly underestimating the combined amount of sales you get from what you dont consider big affiliates. Your site is a huge success at 10k+, and without the combination of all your other affiliates in your 500+ list, you wouldn't be CLOSE to that. They may get alot more, but the combination of the rest of your affiliates account for alot of sales.

You can't solely depend on the likes of freeones, PT, YDG

Your large affiliate database is what sparked your huge spike that got you to your current memberbase youre at now, no other reason. Its wasn't only because of those mentioned above.

You dont even get that many from FreeOnes :P

And your comment about big paysites only featuring old models, its the same with old affiliate sites! thats the reason 2012 models do that much worse!! 2012 models will only have 2012 affiliates to grab on and signup, each year less and less promote new stuff. and since there aren't many new affiliates, the harder it is to gain a large affiliate base starting from scratch

old model or not, if you planned on starting a new program with no partner, your affiliate database will be very tough to build. you can go ahead and mention the launch on here and some other places but you'll be surprised at the number, it wont come close to the programs that launched 5-10 years ago, it wont be half, which means a huge decrease in sales

only way to capitalize on a model who has been around is to launch with a database of affiliates who are already signed up... expecting them to all just signup again isn't as common as you think, its so simple, yet they dont do it. u'd be amazed at how many wont even read your email or respond to you.

mutt went through that with bravo media.. bravo is already an affiliate of his, he launches new sites, they wont promote them. dawson miller sells well for them, mutt could bring her back, launch her a new site and they'd simply not signup. they dont change anything, they promote who theyre signed up with and thats that, surprisingly thats the mentality of alot of affiliates

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Mutt

i don't have 500 affiliates, i'm sure i've told you that before. 300+

on Dawson, 3000, and when I sent emails to them at least half bounced back because the email addresses no longer existed.

I can't wait to launch Catie Minx to see if your pessimism is proved to be right or wrong.

you do seem kind of excited that things have gone to shit - weird

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Sorry 300, i couldn't remember how many i had, i just remember how much more you had in percent. My main point was not the numbers but the decrease

300 for program launched in 2009 - 175 for a program launched in early 2011. Atleast i was able to make up for the huge decrease that time takes on the solo niche with self promotion (i have alot of affiliate traffic), which is something a part time webmaster wont be able to do. And no, her fanbase on mfc, etc - doesn't make up for it, for the members she gets off of MFC, there will be people who see her riding a sybian with 2 girlfriends who choose to watch that for free instead of stay rebilling.

I do not believe beign a regular on MFC is a huge boost for solo sites.

regarding your affiliate numbers, they are as good as they are because you had 3000 emails, which ended up giving you 300+ affiliates. How many do you think a new program launched late 2012 will give you without an older database? Not nearly as many. and definitely less than 175

so theres no chance she could get near the numbers of an established program thats been around for a while, then with the costs coming out of her pocket. nope, wont work

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This is a very interesting conversation, even though we totally hijacked this thread, which makes me feel bad. But I am always very much interested in things that you say since you are one (and probably only) of the successful solo webmasters to come along in the past couple of years. But I do not agree with your numbers here at all. Why would she be paying $150 a month for a CMS or affiliate software? And if she is paying that much, why does she need a full time webmaster AND someone else to edit the pics? What would the webmaster even be doing then? Not taking pictures, not updating the site, etc.

Like I said before, I would help her for free. I agree with what Mutt said about the majority of bigger solo affilate webmasters would just find out about her site. It doesn't take much to send them an email. She's not a model who has to build a name for herself, she already has that. I would like to promote a site of hers that would stick around and not be dead. And she seems to want to do the work involved, it's very rare to find that. She probably just needs some help with the technical stuff: installing scripts, implementing a design and having an easy way to update the site on her own.

I also think part of the reason solo sites today don't do numbers like Nikki, Tiffany and Kate did, is because most models coming along today aren't like those girls. Do I think even those girls specifically would do as much business today if they just launched? No, of course not. There's a huge economic downturn and rampant piracy and MFC. But it is very difficult to facilitate any kind of growth without those kinds of models.

I would also like to see what kinds of numbers Mutt's projected sites do. I am at a crossroads here myself about opening something new or just continuing to refine what I already have going. I am just waiting for him to open them...and waiting, and waiting I think both Destiny and that Carlye model would do excellent business under his watch. I think both your sites are great, too. I mean you ask me to name sites that have opened in the past two years, there really isn't even that many.

Pseudonymous

If shes paying that much for a CMS, why does she need an editor or a webmaster? How long you been idle for? lol content management systems dont edit your pics, they also dont make promo tools, they dont setup your design, get it integrated, they dont find you security software, they dont work with techs in order to install stuff, they dont tell the designer how you want things with a detailed outline, they dont insert the codes into ur header, they dont setup your affiliate program, i could go on forever with all the things you need to do in order to startup a solo program. if youre talking about her hiring someone to do the months of ground work and then having them make tools for the next 6 months and having it all ready so she just mails it out, that would take forever and months and months of salary and hard work and shes going to shell that out of her pocket? (and the webmaster wont ask for a percent? :O ) and since when has gisele ever shot that long in advance, its always been shoot as you go, which means the webmaster has to stick around. if she were to stockpile and do the thing where she shoots 6 months of content, then on top of the costs she paid in order for him to do all that, she'll need to pay a photographer to shoot her content ... 6 months worth...

also gisele doesn't have low standards when it comes to photography, she aint shooting oldschool backyard content or spunkyscash content, shes shooting content which will require a half decent photog, so i doubt 6 months of content out of her pocket wont come that cheap

the idea you have in your head requires a ton of capital and alot of time. capital i dont believe models have, especially not ones that been screwed over for a while. hell most webmasters here dont even have capital to invest.

as far as affiliate software? the cheapest is 150 a month, ccbtools is 150 a month and thats as basic as you can get. you can get cheaper if you dont offer flash tools.

if youre requiring the webmaster to also edit 50 sets and launch her site? wow, the way your suggesting everything, it sounds like it'd take a year, he basically would need to set everything up, make promo tools for 6 months for her to just mail out. nevermind the out of pocket cost. launching a program and a site requires a ton of tedious tasks. start to finish.

anyway all this debate about costs of things doesn't matter because you know theres costs involved in running it all yourself. the only reason solo programs survive and do well is because you launch more and more. thats how you make sense of things, having a program for one site, costs make up a more significant amount. that combined with launching in 2012 with a part time webmaster. Well... Good luck :/

Also i dont think we're hijacking her thread, i believe she'll get more useful information from our conversation than shes gotten from her old webmasters and webmasters that are trying to convince her to work with them ;)

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Roald

Great conversation, just wondering if you guys are all sharing numbers or if this is all just guess work?

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Accurate, me and mutt have never been afraid to share numbers. Hes mentioned before, its not a competition, if more people want to create solo sites, thats a good thing, it strengthens the niche which is fading. It keeps affiliates in business which helps us all. I also have worked with girls that have worked with other programs. And many people have shared numbers with Mutt

Sadly i cant' sit here and say, yeah these models make 10k a month for themselves. haha (obvious exception for l.a pornstars)

I would if i could.

The fact that im saying negative things about the direction of the niche when i feel saying positive things would be better for the niche shows that im not biased.

I rather give Gisele honesty instead of having her disappointed again and leave, ive seen far too many models leave this niche because of surprises. Do you know how many girls i could list that weren't happy with the amount of money they were making, that could have made enough to be satisfied if they chose the proper program? Depressing

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I am a firm believer that "talent" should be contracted and that an established company run the solo model website.

"Talent" very rarely make good business decisions.

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I have a friend that runs a successful limousine business. We both agree that one of the reasons he is so successful is because he is such a good and aggressive marketer. Most of his time is spent marketing. Nothing else. Marketing.

I cannot even begin to expect a model to know how to market and how to help her mini marketers (the affiliates.) And to think that one can simply hire a good marketer for a cheap price is more or less a once in a lifetime find. A good marketer is worth good money, anyone that you get cheap will probably not know what they are doing or will not be working very hard.

I don't know much about the solo game, but it's definitely something I would not want to mess with. So many variables, so many personalities, and so many dynamics all need to meet together perfectly for the situation to work. Very tough. Good money is usually made from scaling? How on earth do you scale one girl?

His Infernal Majesty

I agree with this, but most solo webmasters are just as bad as the talent when making decisions, if not worse, as we've seen in this thread. Here is a model who got burnt twice already trying to do things that way. Outside of working with the people I mentioned, she's better off at this point to try it on her own. She's a smart girl and I believe she can do it. I would not recommend it to most models, and it's also counterproductive for me to even suggest since that is what I do for a living. But...

This pretty much says it all. There just isn't enough for a solo affilate webmaster to push to justify all the time they put into their sites. In the past year I personally have already lost 2 of my top 10 affiliates, both gave up and sold their sites. Besides Ryan's two sites, nothing new has really come along lately to keep the core churning.

Here is how I look at it. There's only a few reputable solo webmaster programs out there, I've named them. Outside of those -- who might not even be able take her on because they are tied up in what they have already -- what are her options?

- Run a site herself and take a chance that with keeping 100% that it generates enough that it's worth her while to continue, even if it does less overall business. Yes, she will have expenses, but I think they could be managed properly. I certainly do not pay $150/month for a CMS, for example.
- Run a site with a lesser webmaster and have this same thing repeat again which leads to a dead site.
- Have no site, which means no money for anyone.

I have no claim in any of this. I really don't know what's best for her or anyone else. It's mainly been interesting to see how my peers view this situation, and I like a good debate with smart people But I just don't see this going many other ways. I look forward to seeing how this plays out, though, and wish everyone success!

spunky99

this is entertaining

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I think some of you are underestimating the "talent". :P That being said, I'm not foolish enough to jump into another solo site at the time. With or without an established program. I'm not some starry eyed newb who gets off on the attention. And I'd rather not get in over my head.

All this talk of solo sites being a dying niche just confirm suspicions I've had for years. I have to wonder however, why is there always someone willing to take on another solo model if this is the case? Additional income for the webmaster? Is it really worth it? Is it some kind of pissing war? Who can nab the next hottest model? Are there ulterior motives I'm unaware of?

I don't mean to be insulting, I'm being real here. If I sound bitter and jaded, I'm sure you can understand why.

PXN

bump to the top to warn others. Waiting for Gisele Video.... I'm going to sit here and wait until she post the video. I hope it won't be too long, I can only stay up max 48hrs... hope it worth the wait :-)

Whenever you get your won site Gisele, post it on gfy. I'm sure a lot of webmaster including myself will promote you.

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good observation/question Violet. for some webmasters solo model sites are all they know so they keep to the niche they know even as things are in decline. solo girl sites are still relatively cheap to start up versus other niches, especially if the model is getting paid by a % of profits.

and the truth is there are very few solo sites being launched these days because even webmasters in the niche don't think it's worth the aggravation considering the lower revenues they now produce.

there's a lot of interest in Gisele because she's already a star, has a big following, she's very low risk.

the days of who can nab the next hot model for bragging rights/ego - that's done, when solo model sites were capable of making big money you did have some jealousy/envy I think but not these days - I wish there were more sites around with hot models because it's best for everybody, it would re-invigorate the niche if there were new girls coming onto the scene regularly.

guys can go on MFC now and actually chat with girls who 5 years ago would have been big solo site stars. most of those girls don't want solo sites, they are making enough on MFC and doing it with more privacy than a solo site BUT the MFC girls who think they aren't going to be found out by friends and family because MFC can block their home state/city are deluding themselves. i can google any MFC model and find videos of her on forums, tube sites and file sharing sites.

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violetdoll

lol. . . Ok then

TheSenator

http://www.misshaileydavis.com/

Hopefully, she gets some real help and opens up an affiliate program.

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Pseudonymous

She tried. Didn't work. No real experienced webmaster was involved and none out there who aren't already very busy and they weren't able to give up another percent. the model and webmaster ended up finding that all out the hard way.

She has recently joined me @ SoloRevenue. I would have purchased that website, however the content was not content that would sell and there wasn't proper paperwork for it

So we'll be starting from scratch in a couple weeks and she'll be going hard soon.

She shouldn't have left spunkycash in the first place and I told her that, however models always feel the grass is greener on the other side

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spunky99

haha good luck with that disaster

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Pseudonymous

Regardless of whether its on the decline or nearly dead, the companies left who are still very experienced and talented still can make a profit on it and if you can make a profit, you do it. Its always worth it. If its not as much profit as it used to be, ill launch more sites. As long as you have the capital, this is possible to do. You can no longer invest a ton of time into one site and have that be your source of income, you have to launch multiple sites and keep your feet moving forward (as a company), thats how you keep profits up. Thats why i shake my head while i look at a couple people partner up for one single paysite without a business plan that includes expansion. The profits are in multiple sites and continually launching and moving forward and reinvesting.

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TheSenator

Under what name are you going to market her as?

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Model Gisele

I wont quote every comment.. but i will say this one last time lol...
I am not looking to be a webmaster. I will be offering the same % as majority of webmaster/model relationships.. I will be looking for sole ownership of the domain and rights to the content. That is only difference.. Which shouldn't be an issue for a webmaster because as long as they are promoting and working for my site in good faith, the pay checks would be no different than if they were the owners. Only difference is in the event the site is a loss, it is on my plate not theirs.
I am in negotiations and will be launching a new solo site in very near future with options that exceed my previous sites ;) So I am not too worried about the rationalizing of theoretic breakdowns .. My team and I will be compensated and I believe 100% in working in a fair environment where everyone is being compensated for their hard work.
Greed only gets ya so far.

I will NOT be a webmaster. But I will also not just be a cash cow. Model/Owner ;) Just because your a CEO doesn't mean you handle every detail. But I am prepared to take on the responsibility of every decision both in the back and front end of the site. Webmasters will be hired to preform duties I can not preform. Thats that in a nutshell peeps lol .. I am not looking to be the sole operator haha

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Model Gisele

Sorry its been uber busy .. and I am back shooting content to promote new projects.. but Video is on to do list ;)
I am super excited and ready more than ever to take my career to the next level.. I welcome everyone along for the ride! Just don't mess with me or your ass is grass haha.. zero tolerance from here on out.. As Violet mentioned, we aren't fresh off the boat 18 year olds anymore with that naive outlook on the industry of "effortless photoshoots" and cam shows with a "10k+ a month pay check".. Sadly enough those goals were achievable if others would have played a bit more fair.. but the knowledge gained from those bridges burned actually are worth more to me and I believe will help me in making an even bigger name and brand moving forward.

Cheers to karma!

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Model Gisele

ps.. thank you to those who are being helpful and giving me advice.. much appreciated ;)

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TheSenator

http://www.kisskara.com/ needs help...

Damn girl has so much potential.

Who is going to pick her up?

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Pseudonymous

Ill let you guys know once I start shooting within the next couple weeks, until then, I don't like to hype something up until its atleast in the midst of being created.

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Pseudonymous

James (bellacash) tried very recently, didn't work out. Im not sure of the details but as far as I know, the website is in her name and I wouldn't work with her because of that detail alone, i dont use my resources to build somebody elses business up so they can part ways. Also from what I know, shes a pain to get shoots out of.

Her skin is rather aged also.

XOXOLeah is the one out of those xoxocash girls who needs to be scooped up.

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Model Gisele

We models view it the same if not greater.. why put our image out there and lure customers in based majority on our interaction and images alone, all for zero ownership :/

I look at it like, if the site is up and Live, then both parties will be compensated. I also believe that if the site is still up (dead or active) both parties should still split the fees coming in because one would not have one without the other.. This is where my frustration and disgust if you will lies with my poor business decisions with previous sites/contracts.. its disgusting seeing all of my hard work and nudity profit pockets undeserving .. Tis why ownership moving forward is only option for me.

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Model Gisele

Thank you ;) There is a little something you can do for me... ;) Number still the same?

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