DVTimes

why inactive?

you can still join can you not?

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Pseudonymous

I never understood it as that. I honestly don't care if youre still receiving the money. I care about the affiliates not being paid. And how people are treating affiliates. I understood it as you took down the affiliate program and not the paysites, the paysites generate the money, the affiliate program is for handling affiliate payouts. The only thing you did was cut out payments to affiliates. There is no operating costs of an affiliate program. The costs are in the paysite, especially considering the affiliate program would be on the same server. So it's a matter of 350 a month. So youre telling me that you aren't being paid 350 a month, so you took down the affiliate program. How about taking down the paysites considering they're not paying you? Im just trying to make some sense of this

DVTimes

Seems expensive.

I bet I would do it much cheaper.

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CaptainHowdy

Maybe with the extra income she can partner up much better ...

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DVTimes

just a thought

why not just simply make the sites ccbill?

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Stef.

that program owe me around $50

Please, keep that money as an act of charity.
it's my pleasure.

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It sounds as if you just gave up and gave them your 50 percent. Since when are people in the act of charity, especially to a couple people who have been burning money like crazy, if one of them had a job and with what they made in extra money off these websites, they could be doing rather well for themselves. Not only that, theyre scammers who wouldn't even pay for the affiliate software themselves knowing that'd rip off a ton of affiliates who got their websites to where they are.

Just messed up. You need to pick who you do business with better

It sure it crazy that they can't afford the affiliate software bill when theyre making more than myself and im growing

While I no longer really think youre the one at fault here, the fact that you've been sitting here defending the website closing and their actions, as if theyre broke and have no other options. Well it makes you look bad because what theyre doing can only be looked at as one thing, ripping people off. Thats the only real issue i have.

signupdamnit

Could be wrong but I think what he's saying is that if they pay the 50% to affiliates they are operating at a loss or not making enough money.

Which is kind of hard to believe personally. Let's say the whole program does 12 new joins a day (conservative considering all the other sites they have).

12 * $30 = $360

Then let us say the program has double that in rebills per day which is reasonable considering how popular it once was.

24 * 30 = $720

That adds up to $1080 a day in revenue. Even if every single sale were affiliate sales that would still leave $540 per day after paying affiliates.

$540 * 30 = $16,200 per month.

12 sales a day too high? Let's just say 7 sales a day then.

7 * 30 = $210 new sales / day
14 * 30 = $420 in rebills / day

$630 / day
$315 / day after paying 50% to affiliates.

$315 * 30 = $9,450 per month After paying affiliates.

Doesn't make sense to me unless about $5,000+ a month isn't enough for them to live on or the numbers are radically different (to many people it isn't but then again they probably have many affiliates who live on a lot less too) . It'd be interesting if Biggy would publish the numbers. At least it would give any affiliates who are actually losing money and upset an explanation. Don't get pissed that the numbers are wrong, Biggy. I'm just trying to come up with something here because the real numbers aren't known.

Pseudonymous

No no, he's definitely talking about himself, the fact that they (melissa &bf) are making more than enough to pay the bill is quite obvious and I don't think he can truly deny that on a board full of other owners that know what these sites make. What he was saying is that he was still operating it and not receiving any money so he closed down the affiliate program because he was in charge of paying for that. And I guess they aren't planning to either

The network is probably only getting 6-9 a day max, it's the rebilling customers that keep it doing as well as it is.

Biggy2

Yeah, I guess all the $ I made in the past should be ignored, like when she went hardcore.

I guess in her prime, when that site was a CASH MACHINE, and affiliates got paid each and every time, we should ignore that as well. Let's just ignore the entire successful history of that site.

I am very thankful for the run I had with them.

spunky99

ive known biggy for almost 8 years now.. i talked to him last night bout the whole melissa issue, he wasn't getting paid yet he came here to be everyone's punching bag. he wasnt in control of the payments or the $. if he was, people would have gotten paid.

there is no point in getting worked up with this because shane or melissa won't change their mind on this. the $ is gone and that's just part of the biz i guess.

i lost low $xxxx cause of this but in the end i made a TON of money from melissamoney. thanks for taking cock melissa

links are easy to remove and change, and its time to move on

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I thought he was passing this off as their kids at risk of starving and them not having enough money? I thought I caught where he said he advised them to do this because they couldn't afford (so he says) to pay affiliates anymore? Hell I don't know. Hopefully Biggy will clarify. Personally I'm inclined to call bullshit on this too. But I'm not out a cent so this isn't personal for me.

Pseudonymous

Fair enough. Make a good point.

Anthony

In the end, Biggy is not responsible for this, and is left holding the bag.

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Well if theyre not willing to get a job, either of them and this is their means, then i can see that. So that is somewhat understandable. By not paying affiliates, they should be doing a ton better now. Truthfully im making less than them currently and im growing, maybe they should have reinvested into their adult business since it appears to be the only thing still making them money, i wonder what they'll do when it completely dries up.

Pseudonymous

It appears this way now, I wasn't drilling him, I was simply asking questions to help myself make sense of this. I did end up making a little more sense of it and it appears Shane and Melissa are a couple of low lives who will do anything to avoid getting real jobs.

Sly

Money earned from the program goes to Shane.

Shane does not pay Biggy.

Biggy, third party "operator", pay affiliates out of own pocket.

Biggy confirms that Shane will not be paying Biggy.

Biggy has no choice but to close "program."

That it?

Not sure why Biggy is getting ragged on. Sounds like he got fucked the most. Shane/Melissa are to blame and all we can do is move on. Melissa was hot, the time/money I spent promoting her has been recouped many times over. It's a shame, but arguing over an unfortunate situation isn't going to pay anyone.

Good luck everyone, remember that any ONE sponsor is but one piece of your large puzzle. If you haven't been screwed yet, you will at some point. Enjoy the fruits while they are good, always be prepared to pick from the next tree.

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slight tweak:


Money earned from the program goes to Shane.

Shane does not pay Biggy.
Biggy, third party "operator", -updates site, runs wm support.
Shane pays affiliates out of own pocket.
Biggy confirms that Shane will not be paying affiliates.
Biggy has no choice but to close "program."

signupdamnit

For me personally I'm very skeptical that things really are happening like that. No one really knows what is going on except them. The only thing affiliates know is they aren't getting paid. I've learned to be very skeptical in this business as so many are CROOKS. But I've said enough already. If there are any affiliates out there owed money it's also on them to come and speak out if they care.

will76

duh! Her name is Melissa not Sue.
















j/k, i know what you saying.

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signupdamnit

For me it's still a black mark on him because of the association. If he is as innocent as he states it's a shame but I have to look out for myself too just as he claims to be doing by shutting down the affiliate program but leaving the sites and processing up. All too often does this sort of thing happen where certain players try to weasel out of taking any blame with various excuses and claims. We've seen it again and again. Affiliates aren't getting paid, site is up. That's the bottom line. Nothing personal. It's my own judgment call. To each their own. Good luck to all parties involved.

ruff

It's always boo hoo poor me, when they take your money, but the sites are still up. Someone is paying the hosting. Wow, they're facing bankrupcy, bummer. How was it a while back when they were up to their asses in hundred dollar bills. Times are tough all over, so let's all go rob someone. And Paul, you are dead wrong in this thread.

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will76

Paul, as usual you a fucking idiot.

In the real world, people don't resort to stealing. They get a fucking job, or second job or third job to pay their personal bills. What Melissa and Shane are doing here is using the affiliate's money to pay their bills so they don't have to go out and work to make the money... booo fucking who. I don't feel sorry for them one bit, between the both of them they could easily WORK enough to cover their bills and wouldn't need to steal.

This is no different then if I worked for a company and didn't make enough in my pay check so instead of getting a second job I just stole money from the register. THEFT! But like Epitome said, in this case it is a civil matter and she would need to be sued.

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will76

then get a fucking job! Don't steal from the people who helped make you millions!

Again, he sucks at being a "punching bag". He is coming across as an arrogant prick, that is doing himself no favors.

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will76

This is why we get screwed time and time again. It's attitude like this.

Epass enabled lots of people to easily transfer money, so even though people got screwed it enabled a lot of people to do business easier.

ibill allowed membership sites to make millions of dollars, they should be thankful for the time they spent using them to make that money.

programs go "out of business" and stop paying revshare, we should all say thank you for the opportunity....

etc
etc
etc

You might as well just tell everyone in the future when their business declines or times get tough, first step fuck your affiliates and/or business partners. They will thank you for the opportunity they had.

Fuck that, why can't people just upheld their end of the deal for once and not STEAL FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED MAKE THEM ALL OF THAT MONEY. It's not how much she helped make you, it's how much YOU helped make them... and this is the way they repay you.

And... if you did want to donate to them because you liked them then by all means do so if you wish, but it shouldn't be a force "donation" by everyone. Some of their affiliates might be in worst situation than they are and obviously they don't give a flying fuck.

Exactly he is a great "punching bag". Came here to dissociate his program from this mess. Defend his friends as good people, and play the victim. Is arrogant and argues with people and doesn't think you should have an opinion if you weren't an affiliate.

Good job biggy.

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Pseudonymous

He came in here to defend his companys name that was named in this thread. Not to be a punching bag. lol

He also defended a couple that stole from a ton of affiliates.

I think biggy makes enough money where this all seems like small stuff and thats what gives him this why not let the poor couple have more attitude.

While he did convince me that it's not him being a main part of it, definitely didn't come to this thread like I would have if i was in his position.

I would have came in here saying

"what they did was not right but its their choice and not mine, im giving myself distance from them, while they are still friends, i can assure you i wont be doing business with them at any time again and you can trust that i would never treat my affiliates like this"

instead he said, well the thousands they make off this network a month isn't enough, it makes sense that they did this (and i may have even mentioned the idea to them)

Somebody needs to work on their PR considering it now appears as if you'd do the same thing if you werent making what you used to be making.

Biggy2

If you look carefully at my posts in ENTIRETY, that is what I did. I said I am a messenger and providing transparency. Someone said I was defending them, to which I adamantly said, no I am not. But I get the thread is long and people don't want to read. Not paying people is wrong. When I found out, I took the appropriate action of letting people know.

But I also did say they ran out of $, and this is what happens when people run out of $. Go back and re-read everything, including my posts.

Then I responded to some other random comments people posted, and now people just assume I am on their side since I am disagreeing with them over other smaller comments, so as you get lost in the little things, their perception of the big picture is now totally changed, so let me say it one more time. Not paying affiliates is wrong.

will76 - is a known idiot. dude will argue anything until he's blue in the face, not even going to attempt to go there haha or read his posts tbh.

Pseudonymous

Sorry you may be right, I didnt' read every single post in this thread. My apologies if thats the case. I read a bunch of quoted posts of yours that made it appear so.

Biggy2

yea, a lot of idiots or people who wanted to hate took my comments out of context. easy to take one statement as part of a paragraph or thought, and totally alter it. hence why i wrote ENTIRETY in capital letters.

a lot of idiots here who love drama, they aren't even owed $. its ridiculous.

and the ones that are owed, are for the most part saying good things.

Pseudonymous

That is true but while some people aren't owed, I think alot of untrusting affiliates who have been screwed one too many times effects alot of people, especially other solo girl program owners. For example, if I moved my program over to my own merchant account like I one day plan on doing, the first thing people will be doing is questioning it because of moves pulled by people like Shane & Melissa. So I really think it hurts alot of us.

Biggy2

I think these affiliates are more bark than their bite to be honest. And the more they are barking, the worst their business is getting. The successful guys are quiet and working. Affiliate model is changing, most are left behind, some are ahead of the curve and doing really well. They need to wake up, look in the mirror, and really assess what their future is and if they want to be successful, and map out a plan to get there. This is a game of knowledge, intelligence, and execution.

From an affiliate's perspective:

1. Avoid all risk, bind and limit yourself to one company, and run a non-optimized limited set up, while you compete with the people who keep all options open.

2. Take on risk, open your horizons on promotional products, don't limit yourself at all, and probably take on more $ and more losses, while being more diversified. Show me a very successful company, and then tell me they don't have problems they have to manage around (non-payments, lawsuits, etc).

Anyone who agrees with #1 is flawed. If you sign up to be wholly risk-averse, then you are limiting yourself in big big ways. Maybe they have been burned and its an emotional argument, but they surely are not helping themselves #win into the future. They can argue until they are blue in the face but they are on their way out. This is definitely a business for the lions. It's about taking a punch in the gut and moving forward. Look at what I have to deal with at this thread alone. You see me running away or hiding or not taking my shots?

beerptrol

stealing is stealing, no excuse. I guess we should all forgive JJ of SOBV, he also made people a ton of money before stealing affiliate's money.
I guess next time someone robs a bank they should use the I'm broke, behind on bills, and need food to feed my kids. And I'm a hot chick with nice tits excuse

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Shap

This situation sucks. I know it's an old deal for biggy and he would never have structured it that way today. I've always had to be 100% in control of the dollars( in partnerships) for reasons like this. Models (and their suitcase pimps) have a track record of eventually going down this path

the Shemp

you are either in business or out of business...
go the bankrupt route and let the trustee deal with the mess...

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kaori

Exactly. There is a contractual obligation to pay affiliates what they're owed. The only legal way out is bankruptcy.
Otherwise, it's theft. The affiliate could have sent the join instead to a competing website and received the money for it...

It's no different than hiring a contractor to fix your house and refusing to pay for it... Affiliates are 'contractors' hired to generate traffic and sales..

epitome

That's what I meant. It was to the people saying calls the cops. Yeah, because its her and where she lives they might give her other trouble but they wont arrest her just because she isn't making payouts. Its just a business contract. I doubt she broke any criminal law regarding that unless there is some type of fraud we don't know about. Companies stop paying their bills every day though.

jscott

We have been jason-forrest'd, at least I (we) lost less money this time

And, kids/family, all that is absolute bullshit, trying to smooth over and "reasoning", and trying to sympathize with Shane and family

....fuckit, we ALL have families, bills, and shit to pay for, they opened a revshare program and agreed to pay sales/rebills and now are still taking new members and not paying affiliates shit

they took a dump on every single affiliates chest. For me thank god it was a small dump, jj sobv took a massive squirty shit on my chest

Sorry to Biggy, good guy, and I understand he's trying to make least drama out of this... but truth is, they could get jobs, man up and take responsibility for his bad decision-making.

Nothing much to say though anymore, I agree, affiliates we must move on, delink the hell out of their site, and add to our blacklists to hopefully prevent anyone in future to do buziness with Shaner

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Yes the surfer stays online and keeps surfing. Didn't say anything about him not staying online. And we are talking about future traffic. Past traffic is a done deal.

True. And they do it because they know affiliates will do nothing but moan.

True and why they disappear if they don't replace the affiliates work. I've never said marketing and funneling traffic past a site isn't needed. Just said online porn over pays for it in many ways.

Manwin and Pimproll are showing you the future. More programs will follow their route. If I was still working, I would be thinking of opening a Tube and going that route rather than fishing for affiliates. Direct selling makes perfect business sense.

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You missed.

Hanging on.
Going bankrupt.
Adapting.

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will76

typical.. when you can't defend your position to logic, you just chose to ignore it.

You people can't argue the fact that what they are doing is wrong. That there is no legit excuse to keep an affiliate's money. If they need to pay their personal bills then they should get a job. All you did was come into this thread to try to separate your program from them, defend them, insult people and cry that you are a victim too when all we know you still getting paid.

lol yeah I am a an idiot? I have made more sales than 99.5% of the people on this board including program owners. You however, will never see any sales from me. Congrats.

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will76

Well JJ wasn't as attractive as Melissa so JJ didn't get any "thank yous" from the people he screwed.

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Just Alex

Paul is here. Thread is ruined now.

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AZNNC

gonna steal all her videos and use them to make my future tube site more interesting.

Oracle Porn

long story short I'm not getting my cheddar?

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spunky99

nope, they spent it on fieldhouse

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jscott

What's this "fieldhouse" thingy?

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LiveDose

Pics and videos are forever. Just sayin'...

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Sly

JJ also owed many people well into the 5 figures and was actively recruiting affiliates and spending money immediately before he disappeared.

Nobody is saying Melissa did the right thing and nobody is saying everyone should have gotten ripped off. What people are saying is that things should be taken into perspective.

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