Bad news for atheists -- evolution works agains them?

Twisting my words by coming at me like I'm religious just because I said evolution doesn't disprove an existing godly thing... pretty much getting your thongs wedged because I won't say 'there is no god'... nobody knows if there is or isn't a god. The only people who think they know are simple minded atheists such as yourself and religious nuts. Anybody who reads this thread and can actually comprehend what they read can clearly see what I'm talking about. You refuse to see what I'm saying because it goes against your atheist agenda of bashing religious nuts.

Like I said before, I'm not a religious nut or an atheist... I'm agnostic. Now go back to creating nursery rhymes about bongs like the high school kids you seem to want to distance yourself from.

That only really applies within an educated society where the children develop the ability to think for themselves.

Talk about twisting words. You and your pothead agenda.

Show me where I have ever said that there is not a God. I don't know of many atheists who deny that maybe there is some kind of supreme being. We also know that it's just as likely that we were blinked into existence by a giant plate of pasta or maybe the universe was just always here. If people consider God a plausible explanation then they should consider all other explanations equally plausible.

It's true, I loathe religion. I hate willful ignorance. I hate the notion of a God because when someone invokes the idea of a supreme being, science comes to a halt. For ages evolution couldn't be taught in schools despite there being rock-solid proof that it's real. Why? The bible said God created man so case closed. The same goes for the origins of the universe. The bible says 7 days. "In the beginning..."

Medicine has been held back because of religion. Laws are passed by people who have an imaginary friend. In our society it is considered a positive trait that one goes to church and lives their lives according to a book that I am positive is fiction. That scares the shit out of me so admittedly I get a little militant about it.

Fun read but that's about the same as saying evolution must not be true because gay's don't reproduce for the most part, yet new gay people continue to be born. Look back in history you can easily see the trend is away from fundamentalism not towards and has been for a very long time. It's a slow process obviously but the article may explain why it's taking so long though, its an uphill fight.

God is a pretty blanketed term for a higher power, people will worship it in many different ways. Even if it just comes down to worshiping the driving energy which science accepts. Atheism itself is becoming a really preachy religion that really can't be proven correct any more than theism. I think it's pretty obvious to point out that organized religions are nothing more than corrupted business empires, and the fairy tales that they preach are chocked full of shit, but denial of a power beyond our knowledge is still a little premature. The only reasonable answer to the argument is to not know what that power is definitively, admit it, and quit giving a fuck either way.

Immediately dismissing a higher power because a Christian type God doesn't make sense, is as lacking in imagination as jumping on the God bandwagon.

*whooosh*

You're the one making assertions here. Oh wow you said "or something" after god for the thing you assert has always existed, as though the something that has always existed before time and space could be anything BUT a god. Unless you're just giving a fancy name to an always existing particle f course, in which case you might as well just say the big bang always existed in it's un-banged state and achieve nothing. Otherwise you're just inviting infinite regress which is facile.

To counter your assertion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

Truth claims are not a matter of imagination, they are a matter of evidence.

Show me the evidence that proves there is no higher power driving things. In fact the evidence is quite astoundingly in favor of a higher power, it's called energy. Worship it as whatever you will, it is the driving force that powers everything we know. What that energy is exactly, is all assumption on both sides of the fence. In general, atheists are only slightly less ignorant and annoying in their views than religious nuts. Trust me though, the preachy nature of today's atheism is bordering on being a religion of it's own. Even when it comes down to pure "science" and "truth", most of what we know about existence is still entirely theoretic. No matter how convinced you are that being an atheist is the more "intelligent" decision, it's beliefs (yes beliefs) are still all faith. You just believe that your faith is more true than another's faith, which basically makes you just as much as a whackjob as the next when you start getting hardcore about it...

Once again for emphasis, the only reasonable stance is not knowing the unknowable, not claiming to know the unknowable, and quite frankly not giving a give a shit either way.

Atheism is a religion? Lay off the catnip. "Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby."

Again, I have never said there is no supreme being. I don't know of many atheists who would make such a bold statement. We don't know. To not explore other options and accept them as equally plausible is ignorant. Science and evidence (not fear and superstition) are the keys to figuring it all out.

Seriously? Homo Sapiens have been around for about a quarter of a million years. We started with simple stone tools. Give humans a little credit.

Look up the transition to civilization. Modern civilization started about 10,000 years ago. That's where we started working together and things took off. Opposable thumbs, dexterity, complex thought and the ability to work together led us to where we are today.

I agree with what you are saying, but I would add for clarification...

"Atheism" (a-theism) addresses Theism -- the belief in one god as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation.

When you look at the Theistic belief systems on offer and their claims, there is good reason to doubt they are true.


Here you seem to assume there is a power. I don't think "power" is the right word and maybe that is just what came to your mind, or maybe it was a Freudian slip.

The reasonable answer is to admit that it is currently unknown whether there is or is not a higher power; not "what that power is definitively".

Of course we did. All species evolve.

Theism has miracles as part of their core claims. Take the miracle of healing through prayer. There have been large, controlled studies on this that do not support this claim.

Is it therefore "faith" to doubt that the claim is true?

Atheism is a belief claim, unlike agnosticism which is claim about epistemology. That does not mean that there is not such thing as justified beliefs based on the evidence or lack thereof.

Proofs are reserved for mathematics and logic, not science. We "believe" evolution is true because of the evidence, but it may not turn out to be true. It only takes finding a rabbit fossil in the precambrian.

Having a child is almost never rewarding economically. Unless, the parent puts the child to work, or something.