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    Bad news for atheists -- evolution works agains them?

    Interesting. Fundamentalism may outbreed secularism.

    Source: http://www.bigquestionsonline.com/co...f-the-godliest

    In a world in which childbearing is rarely accidental and almost never rewarding economically, birthrates increasingly reflect values choices. And so, by Darwinian process, those who adhere to traditions that preserve and celebrate the ancient injunction to “go forth and multiply” wind up putting more of their genes and ideas into the future than those who don’t. As Kaufmann shows, fertility, over time, plays out like compound interest. That is, even if religiously fundamentalist families only have a few more children than secular or religiously moderate counterparts, and they can keep those children holding on to fundamentalist faith and values (especially related to child-bearing), the passage of generations will greatly magnify their numbers and influence. Similarly, secularists and others who choose to have only one or two children, and who pass those values on to their children, will, over time, see their population decline precipitously.
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    #2
    "childbearing is rarely accidental"??!?

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    • andrej_NDC
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      #3
      The more religious the parents are, the less are their children. So I don't think it has much of an impact.

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        #4
        Originally posted by andrej_NDC
        The more religious the parents are, the less are their children. So I don't think it has much of an impact.
        This quote addresses that assertion:
        According to a study published in the American Journal of Sociology, three quarters of the growth of conservative Protestantism in the United States is explained by the compounding effect of this population?s higher birth rates over the last century as compared with mainline Protestants. Moreover, the correlation between fundamentalist faith and high fertility continues as we travel still further along the spectrum of religious belief and practice. So, for example, the ?Andy Weaver? Amish, who are perhaps the strictest of all in their rejection of modernity, have higher fertility (average 6.2 children per family) than the do the New Order Amish, (4.8 children) who starting in the 1960s made such concessions to progress as allowing electricity into their homes.

        Similarly within Israel, ultra-Orthodox Jews, or Haredim, with an average of nearly seven children per family, are far outbreeding merely Orthodox Jews, to say nothing of more secular Israelis. Accordingly, we now find a profound generational difference in Israeli society that reverses the pattern of history that even many religious people once supposed would inevitably lead to the decline of ancient beliefs and customs. Today, just 2.3 percent of Israelis over age 80 are Haredi. But such is the demographic momentum of this sect that 16 percent of all Israeli children under 10 are within its fold.

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        • SuckOnThis
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          #5
          So this is the explanation of why the world is filled with religious nut jobs?

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          • closer
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            #6
            This is not only applicable to being Atheist or not, but a general rule of life. Have at least 2 children or your family line gets extinct.

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              #7
              Originally posted by SuckOnThis
              So this is the explanation of why the world is filled with religious nut jobs?
              The misconception about evolution is that it selects for the "Best" and the "Smartest". No it doesn't. It selects for the FITTEST in light of conditions. Being well adapted does not necessarily mean being the best. One KEY aspect of fitness is the ability to pass on one's genes.

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              • TheSenator
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                #8
                I have a lot of kids and I am pretty sure they don't believe in invisible pink unicorns.
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                  #9
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                    Yeah, yeah, idiocracy vs. the Flynn Effect

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                      Maybe. But if successive generations keep getting smarter, it may reverse the religious breeding advantage.

                      For most intelligent people, billions of years of fossil records are hard to refute.
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                        #12
                        Fossil records have nothing to do with it. Just because evolution is a proven fact, it doesn't mean there is no god like thing out there doing godly things. Seriously. You can't get something from nothing, there is something out there that has always existed. That thing might be some type of god or something.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by BittieBucks Eric
                          This threadtitle is mindblowingly stupid.
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                          • mchacal
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                            The more religious the parents are, the less are their children. So I don't think it has much of an impact.
                            You're right, my whole family is very religious(Catholic) and I love shocking them with my atheist comments + My partner in business comes from a Mormon family and he hates religion, smoke joints and fuck every single girl that cross his way
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by NanoBot
                              Fossil records have nothing to do with it. Just because evolution is a proven fact, it doesn't mean there is no god like thing out there doing godly things. Seriously. You can't get something from nothing, there is something out there that has always existed. That thing might be some type of god or something.
                              So because not everything can be explained you fall back to the god thing? That's nothing more than an excuse for not thinking. "I have no idea so it must have been God."
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                So because not everything can be explained you fall back to the god thing? That's nothing more than an excuse for not thinking. "I have no idea so it must have been God."
                                No... I never said that. I just said it COULD be a godly type thing. Nobody alive KNOWS what the fuck is really going on yet.
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by NanoBot
                                  No... I never said that. I just said it COULD be a godly type thing. Nobody alive KNOWS what the fuck is really going on yet.
                                  But let's go to church, give money to churches, pass laws that jibe with the bible/koran, start wars and shun science just in case there is a god? Religion should be treated like the disease it is.
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                                  • Overload
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by NanoBot
                                    Fossil records have nothing to do with it. Just because evolution is a proven fact, it doesn't mean there is no god like thing out there doing godly things. Seriously. You can't get something from nothing, there is something out there that has always existed. That thing might be some type of god or something.
                                    some type of BULLSHIT! god eh? oh, cmon ... GOD is the imaginary entity one relates to when s/he comes to her/his wisdoms end ... just becoz we cant explain it yet doesnt mean there is some "higher entity" ... religion is the worst crap mankind EVER imvented mankind MADE gods, NOT the other way around
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by NanoBot
                                      Fossil records have nothing to do with it. Just because evolution is a proven fact, it doesn't mean there is no god like thing out there doing godly things. Seriously. You can't get something from nothing, there is something out there that has always existed. That thing might be some type of god or something.
                                      That's a horrible way of thinking though, and definitely isn't going to help anything. If you don't have the answer for someone, don't worry about it, because God did it?
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by d-null
                                          "childbearing is rarely accidental"??!?
                                          LMFAO

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                                          • Slutboat
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                            The more religious the parents are, the less are their children. So I don't think it has much of an impact.
                                            this is one of the most fundamentally wrong statements I have ever heard.



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                                            • VIXEN ESCORTS
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                                              This world needs a big fucking slap around the head and one major wake-up call. Religions...Gods were the ancients (quite reasonable) answer as to why we exist, they worked out eons ago that using cause and effect nothing made any sense, even now it makes no sense, either the universe has always existed and will always exist or it has a beginning and an end. How do you magic something out of nothing ?? You create a God or God'S.

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Slutboat
                                                this is one of the most fundamentally wrong statements I have ever heard.
                                                Most of my family is devoutly religious. I spent two years attending a christian school. My brother, sister and I are all atheists. With one exception, all of my cousins are non-believers of varying degrees.
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                                  Most of my family is devoutly religious. I spent two years attending a christian school. My brother, sister and I are all atheists. With one exception, all of my cousins are non-believers of varying degrees.
                                                  Unfortunately that doesn't really translate across to Islam. Muslims, especially in the West, seem to want to attach themselves to the religion so they belong to something.
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                                    Most of my family is devoutly religious. I spent two years attending a christian school. My brother, sister and I are all atheists. With one exception, all of my cousins are non-believers of varying degrees.


                                                    cracks me up when people find exceptions to rules.....then call those exceptions rules...
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                                        So because not everything can be explained you fall back to the god thing? That's nothing more than an excuse for not thinking. "I have no idea so it must have been God."
                                                        He didn't say it was god, he said something is omnipresent and who knows, maybe it is a godly thing. Evolution doesn't disprove a godly power, it disproves the Christian fairy tale. There could still be some godly driving force behind creation, at least while using evolution as your defense. The fact that evolution happened doesn't really disprove anything on either side of the Atheism argument. It works fine as an argument against christian fundies who think god creating man as we know it a few thousand years ago. It proves Christians are wrong, not the existence of a high central power, nor Atheism...

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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by SuckOnThis
                                                          So this is the explanation of why the world is filled with religious nut jobs?
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Slutboat
                                                                  cracks me up when people find exceptions to rules.....then call those exceptions rules...
                                                                  Tell me about it. I've seen it in a lot of your ramblings. Like it or not, most devoutly religious parents have children that aren't believers.
                                                                  Last edited by Babaganoosh; 11-28-2010, 07:55 AM.
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Angry Jew Cat
                                                                    He didn't say it was god, he said something is omnipresent and who knows, maybe it is a godly thing. Evolution doesn't disprove a godly power, it disproves the Christian fairy tale. There could still be some godly driving force behind creation, at least while using evolution as your defense. The fact that evolution happened doesn't really disprove anything on either side of the Atheism argument. It works fine as an argument against christian fundies who think god creating man as we know it a few thousand years ago. It proves Christians are wrong, not the existence of a high central power, nor Atheism...
                                                                    Out of the millions of possible explanations the ONE that most people cling to is the existence of a God. Humans lack imagination.
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                                                      But let's go to church, give money to churches, pass laws that jibe with the bible/koran, start wars and shun science just in case there is a god? Religion should be treated like the disease it is.
                                                                      Just because I said something out there could be godly, it means I support religion and shit?

                                                                      Damn, a lot of you GFY dudes are purely retarded.
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                                                                        For anyones info, I'm agnostic.

                                                                        I refuse to be associated with religious retardation and simple minded atheists.
                                                                        “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by NanoBot
                                                                          Just because I said something out there could be godly, it means I support religion and shit?

                                                                          Damn, a lot of you GFY dudes are purely retarded.
                                                                          Says the burnout who loves weed so much he has to write everything in green. Time to get out of high school, kiddo.
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                                                                              I agree completely
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                                                                Says the burnout who loves weed so much he has to write everything in green. Time to get out of high school, kiddo.
                                                                                Smoking this weed must have given me the special ability to correctly comprehend what people are saying and not twist words to fit whatever my agenda is... maybe you should try it.
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by NanoBot
                                                                                  Smoking this weed must have given me the special ability to correctly comprehend what people are saying and not twist words to fit whatever my agenda is... maybe you should try it.
                                                                                  I haven't smoked since I was in high school. You'll grow up sooner or later.
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                                                                    I haven't smoked since I was in high school. You'll grow up sooner or later.
                                                                                    So smoking weed is a high school thing in your opinion? Cool. But why are you changing the subject to that to avoid how you just got caught twisting my words around to fit your simple minded atheist agenda?
                                                                                    “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      "What? Your not an atheist like me? Well, then you're a pothead high-school minded burnout then!"

                                                                                      You dorks are no better than bible thumpers...
                                                                                      “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by NanoBot
                                                                                        So smoking weed is a high school thing in your opinion? Cool. But why are you changing the subject to that to avoid how you just got caught twisting my words around to fit your simple minded atheist agenda?
                                                                                        Really, what are you babbling about? My agenda? Twisting your words? Put down the bong, Chong.
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by NanoBot
                                                                                          "What? Your not an atheist like me? Well, then you're a pothead high-school minded burnout then!"

                                                                                          You dorks are no better than bible thumpers...
                                                                                          You idiots are no better than window licking retards. Really, get off the couch and do something with your life.
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                                                                            Put down the bong, Chong.
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                                                                              Really, what are you babbling about? My agenda? Twisting your words? Put down the bong, Chong.
                                                                                              Twisting my words by coming at me like I'm religious just because I said evolution doesn't disprove an existing godly thing... pretty much getting your thongs wedged because I won't say 'there is no god'... nobody knows if there is or isn't a god. The only people who think they know are simple minded atheists such as yourself and religious nuts. Anybody who reads this thread and can actually comprehend what they read can clearly see what I'm talking about. You refuse to see what I'm saying because it goes against your atheist agenda of bashing religious nuts.

                                                                                              Like I said before, I'm not a religious nut or an atheist... I'm agnostic. Now go back to creating nursery rhymes about bongs like the high school kids you seem to want to distance yourself from.
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                                                                                The more religious the parents are, the less are their children. So I don't think it has much of an impact.
                                                                                                That only really applies within an educated society where the children develop the ability to think for themselves.
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by NanoBot
                                                                                                  "What? Your not an atheist like me? Well, then you're a pothead high-school minded burnout then!"

                                                                                                  You dorks are no better than bible thumpers...
                                                                                                  Talk about twisting words. You and your pothead agenda.

                                                                                                  Originally posted by NanoBot
                                                                                                  Twisting my words by coming at me like I'm religious just because I said evolution doesn't disprove an existing godly thing... pretty much getting your thongs wedged because I won't say 'there is no god'... nobody knows if there is or isn't a god. The only people who think they know are simple minded atheists such as yourself and religious nuts. Anybody who reads this thread and can actually comprehend what they read can clearly see what I'm talking about. You refuse to see what I'm saying because it goes against your atheist agenda of bashing religious nuts.

                                                                                                  Like I said before, I'm not a religious nut or an atheist... I'm agnostic. Now go back to creating nursery rhymes about bongs like the high school kids you seem to want to distance yourself from.
                                                                                                  Show me where I have ever said that there is not a God. I don't know of many atheists who deny that maybe there is some kind of supreme being. We also know that it's just as likely that we were blinked into existence by a giant plate of pasta or maybe the universe was just always here. If people consider God a plausible explanation then they should consider all other explanations equally plausible.

                                                                                                  It's true, I loathe religion. I hate willful ignorance. I hate the notion of a God because when someone invokes the idea of a supreme being, science comes to a halt. For ages evolution couldn't be taught in schools despite there being rock-solid proof that it's real. Why? The bible said God created man so case closed. The same goes for the origins of the universe. The bible says 7 days. "In the beginning..."

                                                                                                  Medicine has been held back because of religion. Laws are passed by people who have an imaginary friend. In our society it is considered a positive trait that one goes to church and lives their lives according to a book that I am positive is fiction. That scares the shit out of me so admittedly I get a little militant about it.
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                                                                                                    Fun read but that's about the same as saying evolution must not be true because gay's don't reproduce for the most part, yet new gay people continue to be born. Look back in history you can easily see the trend is away from fundamentalism not towards and has been for a very long time. It's a slow process obviously but the article may explain why it's taking so long though, its an uphill fight.

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