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he was foolish to have ignored advise about going into russia. |
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Again as I pointted out that when you fail to develop your argument you post insults. Shame. Oh well. |
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You aren't even worth an argument.
Arguing with you is like arguing with Fatfoo. Infact i'd rather argue with Fatfoo. At least some of the shit he spouts is slightly amusing. So why you think anyone would even waste any more time on you is beyond me... |
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I was using it to develop a short abstract joke stating that I was a class above him, while at the same time putting forward a argument of equality. I am very sorry it went above you. I will make a note not to post amuzing remarks again. |
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I understand. Its not your fault. The goverment has let you down with your below average education. |
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I am saying that having a degree gives you confidence, and an ability to comunicate thoughts and ideas as well as engage in a thoughtfull discushion. While some (not all) try to fulfill there confidence with money and goods. Many accademics I find (I am not claiming to be one) are not interested in wealth but rather in the persuite to learn more and gain more knolege. Even in Star Treck they state that people no longer get paid but work to better themselves. |
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By the way it was Saint Francis of Assisi who gave it all up. A great man indeed.
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i agree with you, lets turn education into a product of value, and if it also helps to improve your mind, that is a good thing as well. what i'm saying is everyone should pay their part, so if paying 40k into an education is too much of an investment for some to realize then they don't need to go to school. i took loans for mine and paid it back with interest. |
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But should your aim be to work in say a bank. Make as much as you can. Regardless the affect you have on the world and people, then becase you will get lots of cash you should go to uni? Seems rather odd. Surly if you get a well paid job with your degree your going to pay more tax and so pay towards your degree. Purhaps you think its a good idea that the goverment invests billions into nuclear bombs that have no point and are out of date as a weapon. Seems an odd system you belive in. |
Did Tim Berners-Lee develop the www to get rich? I am not sure he did.
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What would you do with Dr. Jonas Salk?
He developed the polio vaccine for the public good (sarcastically asking, "Could you patent the sun?"). Would you have said he should not be educated as he was not interested in getting rich but making people well? |
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Its why I only did a business and marketing degree. I would have loved to have done somthing far more challanging. I always giggle at the futerama episode where they give the monkey a hat that makes him super clever. Then it gets smashed up and reduces his iq, and he says its ok as he can do a business degree. Still its better than a media degree. |
For those in the UK, did you note on the news train fairs are going up 6% or somthing.
People are saying how expensive it is. I cannot help to think that in the USSR train were very reliable, staitions were stunning, and the tickets were cheap. I cannot help thinking that some things the USSR got right. |
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everyone got conned. they paid into the system for a safety net and a civilized infrastructure, and now that the states have went broke paying off the bankers who went broke speculating, the people are going to get all what they invested to rolled back with higher taxes yet. it's simple.
we are going to see a decade of social unrest and the shit you busy yourselves with in 2010 will seem like a silly dream. since the states in the west have ramped up a large police and surveillance state over the last decade i can't help but feel they saw it coming. |
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However, that said, I would MUCH rather be treated by a Cuban doctor who is a doctor to heal people rather than an American doctor, who is a doctor to make money, suck off some drug companies and do what he can to charge people the most for even the most simple procedure. Cuban medical professionals are some of the highest quality medical personnel in the world. |
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if you still dont get it then russians were making people drunk, paying in % was normal... drinking at work was REQUIRED in most places. can you imagine that? yes, the rail was fucking amazing! i would get in those feeling safe... so you want to say that people where happy? they where finding their inner self in building and construction in terrible conditions? very reliable maybe yes, but labour sweated it out with -'C as for education quit bragging about it, want something? get it... done right and as some wise people say when you want something done in the best way then do it yourself. D.I.Y education forever ;p the international level is at crappy level and at school people are learned that Edison was a kind of hero, yet something there's nearly no words about Tesla (who got fucked by Edison Lightbub for 50 grands after improving his work). yeah , Marconi's radio was using 17 patents of Tesla. Remote control is also Tesla's idea [he presented it on underwater boat - the first one? i dont remember :D] I know that i got far, but im just so much pissed off about the education system (remind yourself: did your teacher told you to stop pointing with finger and then refer to any speed reading course's first technique -> reading with pointer : P check also R.a.f huge involvement on this matter). Current educational system is set to produce people qualified in very small niche. Before writing anything about paid or free education stop and take 15 minutes learning break... public education and they way its organized is simply waste of fucking time :D just my :2 cents: |
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But we have one of if not the most expensive railways in the world. Mainly due to the bizare way its run. People presume that say Zirgin run there section, but the goverment says what trains and how many can be run. On top of this the firms pay a huge bill/licence to the goverment. I think its a billion pounds or somthing silly. So to cover the costs they have to charge you a silly amount per ticket. The bulk simply goes to the goverment rather than profit. |
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I think it was saying that the system could work, but certain businesses make more cash by exploiting the poor. For instance why throw people out of there homes when you could simply let them pay rent. The banks own the property. Also its now been accepted that it was wrong to allow banks (both UK and USA) to have no rules. This allowed banks to do crazy things. It was interestinbg to see that some firms in the usa had become co-ops. And they (workers) owned the business. I have seen this too in the UK where peoplke have done managment buyouts and now own the firm. One mining firm did this. Also one of the major shop chains operates like this. Its becoming a popular method and apears to increase profits. Though I am not sure this mode would work for all businesses. But I cannot help to think that rather than shutting a business and selling its assets off, it may be better to sell to the workforce. i do think america has lost its way in many ways. i think its alowed a minority of firms take over. its lost the small family businesses which were great. we see it both in the uk and usa, small sucsessfull firms being purchased by the giants. it simply ends up with a situation of make as much profit as thats all thats important. indeed many have posted in this thread thats all they think is important. there was a time when a person had pride in there business. it was not about profit at any cost. for instance my nan made loose covers. now she could have easily rented a cheap building. hired out lots of machists and made lots of covers to order. but she prefered to have quality. she would do all the work. for her the profit was irelavent. it was pride. she had the pride to make somthing of very high quality that would last for years. she never advertised as all the work was word of mouth. often she had to turn job offers away. But with large firms, they simply do not care. In the uk we have a tv show called watchdog, and each week we hear about how big firms just offer no customer service. just take the cash, offer the basics, and count the cash. In the UK we have this drawrf called Lord Sugar. He runs the UK version of the apprentace. All he is interested in is profit. And this is where we have come to. Do you want to live in a world thats just about profit. And forget the impact on people or the planet, or the quality of service or products. Or do you want to live in a world where a company has pride in what it does and what it delivers. Can you imagine if you purchased a pc and found a fault. And the managing director found out and was devistated. And he did everything he could to sort it out. How good would you feel. But i bet if you get a fault on your pc, all you will get is grief to get it sorted out. Making a profit is not wrong. But having profit as the ONLY end result surly is wrong. Personaly I run my sites for pleaser. I find it fun. I do not care if it makes me rich or not. My end result is as long as I am happy and as long as what I do does not harm anyone or any animal or harm the planet then I feel good. I used to do sales. And my manager never understood that I did it for fun. They used to say 'well Adam we are in to make as much as we can as we all want cash'. It used to take them back when I said, I do it as I enjoy selling. I enjoy the challange. I was also one of the top sales reps too. One of my first jobs was working in a local cinima at the weekends while I was at uni. People mocked me. Yet I loved every day of being there (its closed or I would still do it now, even if I was not being paid) as each day somthing new would happen. I even turned down a trainee managers potition as I wanted to be on the floor with the customers having fun, not sat in the office. Perhaps I think this way as when I was about 6 I was on holiday in blackpool (its a naff holiday resort in england). Anyway one day in blackpool on a wet day we were in a shopping mall (as you call them in the usa). Stood in the middle was a monk singing. I have never seen anyone before or indeed afterwords as happy and as content as him (i am not catholic or even religoise by the way) But i looked around and watched people running in and out of shops buying stuff, they looked so stressed. Yet he was stood so content. all he had was a gutar and his robe. I have seen and met many people over the years. Some extreamly rich. but in truth none i consider as happy or as content as him. and none did i have as much respect for as him. For me such as Lord sugar and others are a joke to me. I have told this story a few times. I have known people quit there job on the basis of it. I am not trying to insult people. Just help them. Its a scary thing to sit and consider that your not happy. and how ever rich you get, you will not be happy. |
I think people often worry too much about the 'rules'.
To me comunism is about the results rather than the practice. Cal Marx states the result should be hapiness. The argument that if you have the system right people are basicly happy. The resulkt being people would not want to take any form of drug (inc alcohol) or indeed be interested in porn. The argument that he puts is that people only use these are they are not happy. And indeed we see the abuse of these when people are not happy. Thus as long as the system preduces hapopiness then its basicly comunism. Thus we see often forced laws in so called comusist states where drugs, porn, prostetution, gamberling are made illigall. Thus you can claim your system works. Even in non comunist countries we see the same thing. Comunism is not realy about goverment controll. Some see it as non democracy, though no country is truly democratic. For instance if you belive your in a democratic country, did you get to vote on them putting a building up in your area. Of couse not. And it would be nuts if we voted on everything. But thats what full democracy is. We basicly have a system of voting for who you like. Often regardless if they will do the greatest good. Often you vote on gut feelings rather than evidence based. For instance if the evidence was that making drugs legal would in fact reduce drugs and crime, people would still vote for the chap who says ban drugs. China is moving away from the populist vote to having one party in power but taking the thoughts of the people into mind. Though this may seem alien, and wrong its what many in china seem to want. USSR had problems with comunication. The cremlin never found anything out. In fact the USSR jokew was that to find out what was going on in the USSR the cremlin had to contact the FBI and CIA as they knew more what was going on. It turned out this was not just a joke but in fact fact. Though when the nuclear plant blow up, it changed USSR poloticts vastly as it turned out most of the nuclear plants had known problems but no one wanted to rock the boat, so everyone sent in reports of clean health. But capatalim does work in parts. It does help creayte better products and servises. It cleates better ways to produce them. Quality increases. Cars today are a million times better than the rubish made in the 70's that were often not well put together and had faults. Many british and american cars in the 70's were junk when you conpaire cars of today. But also onbe must recognise that some state run things work better than being in the private sector. For instance, the police, army, and lets be honest NASA. In fact it was a year or so ago that NASA told the Russain space system off for selling holidays to rich people. I found that most amuzing. Often the problem is that the state fails to understand how to run things well. WhileI love the NHS, it is badly run. It probably costs 2 or 3 times more to run than it should. Often in the UK we do not do things well. For instance we build cheap flats. We contracted builders who cut costs. Now only after a few years they are being pulled down or re-built. They are also ugly. In contrast USSR did understand the importance of pride and built a lot of attractive bbuildings for its people. The train stations are stunning. Yet in the UK our train stationms are gray concrete junk. Very ugly. In the UK though millions is raised in road fund licence our roads are bad. Realy bad. So bad that BMW have found that its the only country that its alloy wheels break, due to the bupy roads. The question is what should the state run and what should be private. And how many regulations should be in place for both public and private. I do belive that the USA should have state health care. I think as long as its run effectivly everyone would benafit. But somone said that if the state provides hand ouyts then people will not want to look after themselves. And its a point. In the UK Labour goverment bribed certain voters by making them dependent on the state from birth to death. It encouraged girls top keep having baboies as they woulkd get more benafits and a bigger house. This made them a Labour votor as they knew other partes would or could take there benafits away. And that is a problem. Its easy for some goverments to buy votors with benafits. But the problem has become those on benafits find very soon there health drops. They then become the main user of the NHS. Thus while its important to help people who cannot help themselves its also important its not used to trap people into a system. State health is no more socalism as it is capatalism. No more than the police or army are. It benafits business as workers are less lickly to be sick. It benafits the people of the USA as it lowers your costs. Costs are spread out. Hospitals can still be private, but rather than giving you every test going toi bump up the bill, they would have to justyfy giving you every test. It would be more likly doctors would make desisions for health reasons rather than to bump up profits. In fact I am suprised hospitals in the USA can legally get away with bumping up these pointless tests. America and in deed the UK needs far more small businesses. They not only enrch the lives of people by often offering a more quality product or service, as well as more custom to peoples needs, somthing large firms could not achive easily. They also help stabalise the job martket. Small firms are less likly to sack people to save money. They are seen are people rather than numbers on a spread sheet. |
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There is a problem with schools. I shalll from this point refer only to UK schools as I could not say about USA schools as I do not know how theyy operate, only from what I see in the films. The private schools (as in pa\id) often I would say a more rounded education this includes experiences. In deed I hol;d my hands up and say if I had children and the cash I would opt to send them to private school. Bang gores my comunist belifes I hear you say. And yes I am happy to admit to that. This is mainly due to the current UK state schools. Many I do feel are not very good. Its a comlex issue is running a state school as do you teach children all sorts of lessens and give them the belife they could all become doctors when in fact most will simply work in the local factory. Or do you teach them that they can become doctors. But if you do, do you keep all children together or seperate the more accademic ones so those who are britest become higher educated. But then you have a sistuation where those who are not so clever end up with a much lower education as well as less belife in themselves. While with paid (private) education, you can be rather thick, but often the prestge of going to such a school can mean you get a position in a certain firm or goverment job. We also have a problem in the UK of religoise schools, that are also state run. These schools can select children, on the basis of there religion, but at the same time can simply regect the thicker or problem children. Thus these kids end up in the pooter state schools with often no prospects. So do you keep religouse schools or not. Many parents love them, and pont to the fact there results are better than non religouse schools. Yet when they can select the cream is it no wonder results are better. Often in UK schools such as Frenchg is compulsary. Yet I suspect less than 0.00001% of those children who learn French will ever work in France, so is there any point to it. And then polotics serves a great deal. Different polotical parties and local authoraties all have different ideas and idealogy. You end up with a real mess. Also to say we are in the UK our exams system is differnt in each EU country, so while we now have freedom to work in any EU country, the exams we take do not match this. Irand is regarded to have very hard exams. Another problem is we now have different systems in different parts of the UK, such as (as i have pointed out) university is free in scotland but not in england. |
I think we should agree as a starting point that all countries systems have both good and bad points.
Many now miss east germany, USSR and so on. They enjoyed the benafits. The free health care, not worring about getting a job. Some (not everyone) have said they were much happier under such systems. Life was simp[ler. They had more pleaser time. During the cold war, we in the UK purchased many USSR made cars. They were semi popular. Though to be fair I fail to understand why as they were often ugly, expencive and not reliable. Though when the collaps of USSR came we sold the cars back to russan people as there was a demand (nostalgic) for the USSR cars. |
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The following definition does not include one thing that I find interesting. It may all sound good but its been a miserable failure throughout history. communism (ˈkɒmjʊˌnɪzəm) ? n 1. advocacy of a classless society in which private ownership has been abolished and the means of production and subsistence belong to the community 2. any social, economic, or political movement or doctrine aimed at achieving such a society 3. ( usually capital ) Marxism Marxism-Leninism See also socialism a political movement based upon the writings of Marx that considers history in terms of class conflict and revolutionary struggle, resulting eventually in the victory of the proletariat and the establishment of a socialist order based on public ownership of the means of production 4. ( usually capital ) a social order or system of government established by a ruling Communist Party, esp in the former Soviet Union 5. chiefly ( US ) ( often capital ) any leftist political activity or thought, esp when considered to be subversive 6. communal living; communalism |
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Before I go to bed (its 3am UK time) just to remind you in the USA, that the USSR kicked your bottoms when it came to the space race. They were first in space, first space station in space (in fact they got two built before you started on yours), and many other space records. At least you can claim you got to the moon (though we all know it was in fact filmed in a film studio). To be fair to USSR the Lada Niva was a great 4x4. Some say its the best 4x4 ever made. |
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