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11-23-2010, 03:48 PM

So my son brings this home to me today.. he's in first grade..

I have read this many times.. and for some reason I think I am over thinking it...

Roll a Die
Cross out matching number of acorns
Write...

wtf.....

in each letter box a, b, c, d, e, f there are 2 rows of acorns...

the top row is always 6 I see... so what do I do...

the a row say I roll a 5 first and a 6 2nd does he write 5-6=

cause that's wrong....

I have no idea...

To me I think it's worded wrong or I'm just hitting a road block....

someone explain how I would explain this to a 6 year old

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no joke I just wanna help my kid learn to think and do math right.. so if I don't know something I figure I would ask the masses.....

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11-23-2010, 03:53 PM

cross out how many you rolled then subtract from beginning amount

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11-23-2010, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by bignasty

cross out how many you rolled then subtract from beginning amount

you think so?

so for example ...

in box a there is 10 acorns total... say I roll a 5 then in the box I would write

10-5=5?

that kind of makes sense....

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11-23-2010, 04:00 PM

I get stuff all the time that should be simple and directions are misleading. The way english is taught to a 3rd grader is just as strange as this math assignment.

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11-23-2010, 04:00 PM

I'll take a gander at this hopefully not making myself look like a fool in the process. LOL

For example A. A has 10 acorns. On the first blank line write the total number of acorns (10), on the second blank line right the number you rolled on the die, on third line write the total. Also don't forget to cross off the same number of acorns that you rolled on the die.

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11-23-2010, 04:00 PM

yea that sounds about right... though I think the concept alone is dumb. I guess its 1st grade algebra... Dynamic homework...

You could just pick a number and do the math rather than getting any die out...

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11-23-2010, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by DirtyDanza

you think so?

so for example ...

in box a there is 10 acorns total... say I roll a 5 then in the box I would write

10-5=5?

that kind of makes sense....

oh... I get it. You cross them out then can check your answer by counting what is not crossed out
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11-23-2010, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by DirtyDanza

you think so?

so for example ...

in box a there is 10 acorns total... say I roll a 5 then in the box I would write

10-5=5?

that kind of makes sense....

that's what it seems like to me. It says writing subtraction sentences, after rolling the dice you would have to subtract it from something.

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11-23-2010, 04:05 PM

I absolutely hate kids homework... the way it's worded makes it ten times fuckin harder than it is... I am currently doing some grade 3 homework LOL..

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11-23-2010, 04:08 PM

Ya definitely not enough directions there.

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11-23-2010, 04:13 PM

at least I feel better knowing that im not the only one that was like WTF

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11-23-2010, 04:16 PM

so its not 2, 1, 0, 2, 1, 0? what the hell?

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11-23-2010, 04:20 PM

did the teacher assume everyone would have a die at home?

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11-23-2010, 04:57 PM

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did the teacher assume everyone would have a die at home?

yes but if you read the bottom it looks like it's really meant to be done in the classroom as a group...

go's to show our school systems... they are literally telling kids not to work together on stuff...

but then again it creates home based entropanures?

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11-23-2010, 05:17 PM

Weeeelllll wouldja look at that. I rolled a 1 every damn time....

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11-23-2010, 05:23 PM

seems like you start with 10 acorns in box a...11 acorns in box b and 12 in box c and then it repeats.

so you roll a die and subtract
each student should have different answers if that is where the confusion lies

they should enter the numbers themselves
box a 10-die roll = etc

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11-23-2010, 05:26 PM

simple retard. is this a troll thread?
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11-23-2010, 06:16 PM

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simple retard. is this a troll thread?

of course its simple...but cant reject anyone asking for help with math

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11-23-2010, 06:35 PM

i suck at math. but funny how danza takes out his frustration at his inability to do simple intellectual tasks on women. on second thought, since he is control of a child. that's just sad.
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11-23-2010, 08:05 PM

Totally frustrating. How is a parent supposed to know how to teach the lesson if the kid wasn't there or wasn't paying attention or can't remember? Those half-assed instructions are for teachers who teach the same lesson for ten years in a row and know how it goes day to day.

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11-23-2010, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Elli

Totally frustrating. How is a parent supposed to know how to teach the lesson if the kid wasn't there or wasn't paying attention or can't remember? Those half-assed instructions are for teachers who teach the same lesson for ten years in a row and know how it goes day to day.

I agree....

I mean I wonder gfy was really the place for kids homework..

but my thoughts were.. I don't wanna register on a parent message board and post once...

I know there is prolly 500 people live and surfing the site at any given time or hour...

and lets face it.. GFYers love to be right

to be honest I thought I was in for a flame fest....

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Thanks Everyone who helped out..... he had fun doing it... I'm just one of those I hate to do it for them.. so I try to spark creative thinking... but if I don't know the work myself how can I teach?

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11-23-2010, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Deej

yea that sounds about right... though I think the concept alone is dumb. I guess its 1st grade algebra... Dynamic homework...

You could just pick a number and do the math rather than getting any die out...

I agree.....

I figured in 2010 I just got a dice app for the iphone... we shake the phone it rolls the dice... pretty cool

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11-23-2010, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by DirtyDanza

So my son brings this home to me today.. he's in first grade..

I have read this many times.. and for some reason I think I am over thinking it...

Roll a Die
Cross out matching number of acorns
Write...

wtf.....

in each letter box a, b, c, d, e, f there are 2 rows of acorns...

the top row is always 6 I see... so what do I do...

the a row say I roll a 5 first and a 6 2nd does he write 5-6=

cause that's wrong....

I have no idea...

To me I think it's worded wrong or I'm just hitting a road block....

someone explain how I would explain this to a 6 year old

oh before the flam fest starts...

no joke I just wanna help my kid learn to think and do math right.. so if I don't know something I figure I would ask the masses.....

Thanks to anyone who helps.....

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11-23-2010, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by jimmy-3-way

Are you the guy bragging about how you carry a gun everywhere?

Hahahahaha.

Ah America.

You can't do a first grade math worksheet but you can carry a gun.

godbless america...

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11-23-2010, 09:51 PM

I'm a parent that has dealt with this first hand over the last several years with two kids in elementary school and it really bugs the crap out of me. I have actually looked into this on a few occasions and gone to the teachers/school about issues I see and many of these come down to bad interpretation and outsourcing as sad as that sounds. We are outsourcing the production of our school books to other countries. I can't tell you how many traditional/classic stories I have sat down and read with my kids that have horrific grammar errors, or subtle changes to the story line, it is truly disturbing what we are allowing to happen. Having a background in publishing I can only guess that much of it comes down to changing the right percentage of wording to avoid copyright issues and royalties.

It's good to know that I'm not the only parent noticing this... and I would suspect it is happening in school books in other countries as well that now outsource publishing to other coutries. It's not about not being able to do 1st grade math, it's about the clarity of the problem being asked. I have taken assignments to teachers because I just didn't get what they were asking and when confronted, they couldn't answer it either as many of these "new math" problems are set up in such a way as to be open to interpretation... both Johnny and Sue can have different answers and both be correct, it helps the district test scores and brings more money back to the school by having more kids that do above "average".

LOL.

The teacher that really opened my eyes to how bad it is has been in the district for almost 40 years and had taught my brother and sister, he said the change in what is being taught now compared to 20 years ago is sad.

If you have child in school right now, how similar do the basics look to what you studied when you were their age?

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11-23-2010, 10:05 PM

I am pretty surprised it is this difficult to figure out. Not saying your stupid, but you probably looked at this to long and its hard to think of the logical answer after you have committed to much time.. occam's razor

The top line always has 6 because there are 6 numbers on a die. The bottom never exceeds 6 because you dont want to have a negative answer. If you were to roll a 4, you cross out 4 on the top and bottom, then subtract the difference.

Here, I started it for you...

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11-23-2010, 10:16 PM

This is called the "new math". My kid is in fifth grade and we get stuff like this all of the time. It's a new system mandated by the state where they are less concerned with getting the right answer and more concerned with "understanding the math". It's less of asking "what is 3 times 3" and more of asking "Why does three sets of 3 equal 12?".

The truth is our school district is fed up with this "new math" and currently ninety percent of the kids in our school district are failing it. The teachers don't understand it. So the teachers at this point are making the kids do the math, and passing them anyhow.

What's the point? Math is a waste. When was the last time you needed to long division at the supermarket? Better yet - If you had to do long division at the supermarket, what are the odds that you have the caculator on your cell phone handy?

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11-23-2010, 10:25 PM

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I am pretty surprised it is this difficult to figure out. Not saying your stupid, but you probably looked at this to long and its hard to think of the logical answer after you have committed to much time.. occam's razor

The top line always has 6 because there are 6 numbers on a die. The bottom never exceeds 6 because you dont want to have a negative answer. If you were to roll a 4, you cross out 4 on the top and bottom, then subtract the difference.

Here, I started it for you...

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what the hell? where does it say you cross out the corresponding number of acorns "twice" per question??

again, as was said, the wording of the assignment is poor, which is getting more and more typical these days

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11-23-2010, 10:25 PM

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What's the point? Math is a waste. When was the last time you needed to long division at the supermarket? Better yet - If you had to do long division at the supermarket, what are the odds that you have the caculator on your cell phone handy?

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why America is hurtling towards third world status.

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11-23-2010, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by DirtyDanza

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11-23-2010, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

This is called the "new math". My kid is in fifth grade and we get stuff like this all of the time. It's a new system mandated by the state where they are less concerned with getting the right answer and more concerned with "understanding the math". It's less of asking "what is 3 times 3" and more of asking "Why does three sets of 3 equal 12?"

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11-23-2010, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by bossku69

I am pretty surprised it is this difficult to figure out. Not saying your stupid, but you probably looked at this to long and its hard to think of the logical answer after you have committed to much time.. occam's razor

The top line always has 6 because there are 6 numbers on a die. The bottom never exceeds 6 because you dont want to have a negative answer. If you were to roll a 4, you cross out 4 on the top and bottom, then subtract the difference.

Here, I started it for you...

TAAA-DAAA

I think you are missing the point of what is happening here. Is your example a correct answer, yes. Could it be interpreted correctly in several different ways? Yes! When you go to the market and buy 3 pears at $1 each should the total be $3 or should it be open to interpretation and each person pays what they come up with? My guess is some will be disappointed or maybe even arrested.

Rochard explains above what it has become. New Math Bullshit.

You see it that way and think it's obvious. We were taught a certain way that made sense to us and the masses. Tell me what really makes solid logical sense with how it was originally presented and remember, we are talking about early math here. What math rule presented on the page told you to cross out the same amount from each row as opposed to crossing out the total of one rolled die? Can you show me the instructions for this in the original post?

It's new math, open to interpretation to improve scores and make everyone feel better about themselves and help bring revenue into the districts.

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11-23-2010, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

... It's less of asking "what is 3 times 3" and more of asking "Why does three sets of 3 equal 12?"...

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11-23-2010, 10:44 PM

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I think you are missing the point of what is happening here. Is your example a correct answer, yes.

I don't think his example is a correct answer at all, nowhere does it say to cross out the number of acorns in your dice roll "twice"

using his method, you could easily end up with a negative number, for example if you rolled a 6 while doing question A, and I really doubt that negative numbers are in grade 1 assignments

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11-23-2010, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by d-null

I don't think his example is a correct answer at all, nowhere does it say to cross out the number of acorns in your dice roll "twice"

using his method, you could easily end up with a negative number, for example if you rolled a 6 while doing question A, and I really doubt that negative numbers are in grade 1 assignments

your right, im not correct. after i posted this i realized i fucked up, but i had to fix my electric outlet first then i would come back and correct it.

I was just looking at something similar the other day with my gf's class and some assignments. it is "new math" but its to get kids to think outside the box. most kids, and even people i know, only can recite things and have no clue how to get to the answer... this is helping them LEARN

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11-23-2010, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by d-null

I don't think his example is a correct answer at all, nowhere does it say to cross out the number of acorns in your dice roll "twice"

using his method, you could easily end up with a negative number, for example if you rolled a 6 while doing question A, and I really doubt that negative numbers are in grade 1 assignments

Sure, but with "new math" his answer "could" be correct.

Personally, I don't think it is right either.

Warchild's answer is spot on for me, this is what they are trying to do, dumb down the masses. Anything is possible, just print more money, bail everyone out, it "can" add up if you look at it from the "correct" perspective.

This is far from the math and economics that I was taught growing up. Did I take Statistics and theoretical classes later, sure, but they are taking it to a new dimension now.

It now comes down to a theory of "push it as far as they will let us".

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11-23-2010, 11:06 PM

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11-23-2010, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by bossku69

your right, im not correct. after i posted this i realized i fucked up, but i had to fix my electric outlet first then i would come back and correct it.

I was just looking at something similar the other day with my gf's class and some assignments. it is "new math" but its to get kids to think outside the box. most kids, and even people i know, only can recite things and have no clue how to get to the answer... this is helping them LEARN

Thinking outside the box is great, and I'm all for it, but you have to know the fundamentals to think outside of the box, otherwise, you are just an idiot savant.

* To note, I'm not directing this at you personally, but in general terms.

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11-23-2010, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by XSV

Thinking outside the box is great, and I'm all for it, but you have to know the fundamentals to think outside of the box, otherwise, you are just an idiot savant.

* To note, I'm not directing this at you personally, but in general terms.

the sad part is most teachers wouldn't even know how to solve things like this. my gf works at a middle school and some of her friends there we hang out with are teachers. they openly admit they have no clue what half the stuff is in the books they teach and they just hand out worksheets.

my first thought was there is some missing part and crossing out two rows seemed correct. then as im screwing back in my electric socket (added a 2nd one! but needed to check something on youtube first) I thought, "shit, wtf was i thinking"

honestly, its sad the knowledge that most kids and adults have these days. even most college classes are about just reciting information you read in a book, rather than to take that information learned and apply it.

Ive always enjoyed math and liked challenges, but its funny to hear people when you ask them "how did you get the answer to the square root of 25?" and they say "its just 5, i dont know"

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11-23-2010, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

This is called the "new math". My kid is in fifth grade and we get stuff like this all of the time. It's a new system mandated by the state where they are less concerned with getting the right answer and more concerned with "understanding the math". It's less of asking "what is 3 times 3" and more of asking "Why does three sets of 3 equal 12?".

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11-23-2010, 11:31 PM

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your right, im not correct. after i posted this i realized i fucked up, but i had to fix my electric outlet first then i would come back and correct it.

I was just looking at something similar the other day with my gf's class and some assignments. it is "new math" but its to get kids to think outside the box. most kids, and even people i know, only can recite things and have no clue how to get to the answer... this is helping them LEARN

looks right to me.
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11-23-2010, 11:34 PM

roll a die then cross out that many acorns from the ones below

then write in the blanks

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11-23-2010, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

This is called the "new math". My kid is in fifth grade and we get stuff like this all of the time. It's a new system mandated by the state where they are less concerned with getting the right answer and more concerned with "understanding the math". It's less of asking "what is 3 times 3" and more of asking "Why does three sets of 3 equal 12?".

The truth is our school district is fed up with this "new math" and currently ninety percent of the kids in our school district are failing it. The teachers don't understand it. So the teachers at this point are making the kids do the math, and passing them anyhow.

What's the point? Math is a waste. When was the last time you needed to long division at the supermarket? Better yet - If you had to do long division at the supermarket, what are the odds that you have the caculator on your cell phone handy?

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11-23-2010, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Poindexterity

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11-23-2010, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by jimmy-3-way

one of the greatest videos of all time, love it!!

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11-23-2010, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by d-null

one of the greatest videos of all time, love it!!

I made a ring tone of one of these and when I am at a party or something I switch it on. If a chick hears it I know she's a computer dork and I can talk my way into those drawers using webmaster game.

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11-24-2010, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

This is called the "new math". My kid is in fifth grade and we get stuff like this all of the time. It's a new system mandated by the state where they are less concerned with getting the right answer and more concerned with "understanding the math". It's less of asking "what is 3 times 3" and more of asking "Why does three sets of 3 equal 12?".

So much better than "old math"

Not seen this particular example before but I have taught simple addition with 2 dice and a snakes and ladders board.

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11-24-2010, 04:15 AM

There are definitely two meanings to that, but the most logical one is to subtract the number you roll from the number of acorns.

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11-24-2010, 05:02 AM

I now see why you people here and not brain surgeon or engineer
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11-24-2010, 09:56 AM

i just thought this thread needed a bump

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