So dissapointed at sponsor content dumps.

Sponsors really do need to work on their affiliate tools for sure.

I can understand how some sponsors think that I should write my own descriptions
and review the galleries that I'm posting but that doesn't consider that I'm basically
supposed to work on sending traffic. I'm not doing them any good if I'm not sending
traffic. So if I'm writing descriptions etc then that's just one more thing taking
time away from me working on traffic and programming new features into my site.

There is a productivity issue with 1000 affiliates all writing descriptions.
If it took only 1 hour a day then thats 1 * 1000 hours per day of productivity
taken from affiliates. And they wonder why traffic is shrinking.

Just look at the sites with all the traffic, they are posting tons of content.
They are hiring people to post content. I cant hire anybody.
I need to be able to go to a sponsor and pick up content in a hurry so
I can compete with these big content sites.

And yes I could start taking submissions, but those have to be reviewed carefully
or "non-2257 compliant" material is going to get submitted.
I'm going easy on the words by saying "non-2257 compliant"!!!!!!!

auto generated descriptions (which we offer with a lot of our promo content regardless) gets rejected in search engines because of duplicate content flags--even more so now. Written descriptions that are your own will not.

Sponsors pay you to sell their sites, not just generate traffic. If your not selling with good text, no matter what type of traffic, it will not convert as well as a well laid out description.

Talk to some review guys and ask them about their conversions.

one email and you will get what you need

On the descriptions though, it's tough for Webmasters to write good, quality descriptions on niched traffic. Reason is, they might not know the niche well enough and use wrong terms. ie: calling a tranny "gay" - I've run into that a lot.

I know one program who has incredible niched, exclusive content yet their WM ratios are HORRIBLE. I start looking into it and talking to a rep over there and a lot is that their webmasters don't promote it correctly with the text.

I think a program should offer keywords to use for niches or have several descriptions or lines that can be generated to make unique descriptions within the WM admin.

And why don't you use mophing feeds or some like that for your descriptions dude...

Sponsors with morphing text are on top of my list right now...

Remember technology everyday goes a step further, don't stay stuck...

I get disappointed by dumps as well...

I hear theres a new dump to look at, and its just data...

When I was a lad, a dump meant poo, and theres no need to change that !

Your advice is for me to build my site for the google.
I think I should build my site for the surfer.

The surfer doesn't care that another website has the same description on the same
gallery as I do(in fact they might like it since they don't click it again).

Also, the duplicate content is already there because we are linking to the same
gallery anyway.

It's not like google sees the same gallery 1000 times with 1000 descriptions and
thinks "wow this is 1000 unique contents".

Google actually crawls the images in the gallery and finds the duplicate content.

It's is probably more reasonable that a gallery will get a penalty for having 1000
different descriptions linking to it because that's like keyword spamming.

And it's fitting that you should provide this answer because it was pimproll
that I was clicking in that finally pissed me off.



So like I already said, this post is useless.

At the end of the day you will decide to tell me how I should build my site rather
then listen to how I want to build my site.

The sponsor affiliate relationship is such that the affiliate is treated more like
an annoyance rather then a customer that generates income for you business.

I'm the customer, but you are going to tell me how to shop and that what I want is not worth your time.

Bottom line, most sponsors that I dropped had poor webmaster dumps.
The one's I still promote have better dumps, not good dumps just better.

I tried to promote galleries from hushmoney email but instead of a simple
list of links and description they send an html page where you can't even
copy more than one link at a time.

I've got a mail box full of galleries from other sponsors, so why waste time on
stuff like that?


Finally, this is the only business in the world were a company allows promoters
to use their own unapproved language to describe the product. The reason other
businesses don't allow this is because they know their product better then the
promoters and their language will sell it better.

If you ask me to write a description for the "balloon niche" then the only thing
I will say is "Stupid shit with balloons click here". I don't know how to sell that shit.

You made it, so tell me what it is and suggest the language to use to sell it.

My site is K-mart, I sale your stuff, his stuff and tons of stuff.
I can't be an expert in all that stuff so put some writing on the box so I can
read it and figure out what I"m selling.

I downloaded 200 banners from pimproll and it took two days and probably
4000 clicks (including going back and forth for byot and regular banners)

Every time I get a byot banner the page goes back to regular banners so
I need to click the byot button again to get the next byot banner.
And since I dumped galleries first and use the galleries to find the banners
I didn't know if I need to look in the regular banners or the byot banners.

Put all you banners in a zip file bro and name them after the site with .gif
extensions.

Change "sponsors" to "K-mart" and "sites" to "merchandise" and "you" to "TV stations"
in your quote and it reads like this

K-mart pays TV stations to sell their merchandise, not just generate traffic.

Does your quote still make sense?

Of course not.

K-mart wants the traffic and they will build their stores to make the sell when the
traffic gets there.

This guy isn't selling shit. He's just getting traffic:



The tax dude inside the building will do all the selling when the traffic gets there.

nubiles offers most of those options

Read my reply to that quote.

Why? You're comparing walmarts to porn sites

But yeah, I'm pretty sure walmart would not appreciate you sending them a bunch of people into their stores taking up space and wasting time to look around and not buy anything...

Thats what dude means when he says...

Sponsors pay you to sell their sites, not just generate traffic

You've got to be kidding me.

You claim that walmart doesn't want anyone to send them loads of customers a day
so they can try and sell them something.

Then why do they blast commercials over the airways and send out snail mail
promos to broke ass MoFo's everyday?

My trash is full of Walmart's shit.



Walmart will probably send me $100 worth of paper before I go in and spend $5.
But it's worth it to them because I might just slip up and start looking at those
$700 LCD TVs.

When I consider that versus a sponsor that thinks it's bullshit to make a
zip file of banners then it's clear why someone is big business and someone
else is just "nigga rich" for the weekend.

Nobody on this board is making "Walmart money".

Know why? Real affiliates don't need to be coddled, babysat, etc etc. Know who takes up affiliate reps time and uses up sponsor promotional budget dollars? Affiliates who don't make sales. Ask any program owner and they will tell you that what I am saying is the truth. This industry is full of time wasters and hobbyists.

Why would you want to use their over-worked-on banners anyways? Find a couple good pics from the tour and crop them into a banner and increase your conversions by at least 3x. I've had a sponsors banner doing 0:4000 before and swapped it out with a couple little pics and BAM 1:1000.

Sounds like a good idea...

Now that is just fucking insulting since I never even contacted the sponsor and
didn't even name a sponsor (until they showed up ).

"Real affiliates"?

How about "real men" wouldn't make such condescending post when the reality is
they are probably trying to brown nose the sponsor in this thread.

I ain't got time for that shit.

I could go do a Flash action script job this week and make more money than fucking
around with sponsors and banners for a month.

And none of what we are disagreeing about even matters.
What really matters is that I'm not asking for anything that can't be done
in just a few hours for 1000's of affiliates.

That's what is important. Most affiliates will not complain because the result will be having to listen to the replies you are giving.

I already did the stuff you are talking about 10 years ago. It's time to move
beyond that. I know what I need and why I need it; you don't understand why I need it.
But since you don't need it then you think the same should apply to me.
But it doesn't.

I am pretty sure that anyone that knows me would readily tell you I don't "brown nose" anyone. I am telling you the facts.

Ya man, come on, content dumps? Aside from a few elite sponsors, content dumps have always sucked.

Sorry to disagree... actually, complaining is exactly what most affiliates do.

I have been an affiliate for more than 10 years... I have seen alot of people/companies come and go. Obviously (since you regged in 2002), you have as well... it surprises me that you would complain about affiliate tools.

But I don't know you; and the facts are that I see you for what you post now.

If I have to "ask somebody" then maybe you think you are much better known
than you really are homeboy.

You're losing focus on the real subject by bringing walmart into this... A porn site is a porn site... walmart is a fuckin discount store chain. Walmart wont get fucked by google for sending people to hand out the same exact fucking flyer all over the world.

The people that know me are the ones that I care about knowing me. I could care less about the rest... I'm not in this business to win a popularity contest or get famous... I am here to make money.

Gee, talk about losing focus.

You should consider that I never mentioned "Walmart" until
you did home slice.

I meant kmart... but even though I confused walmart for kmart I bet you can't disprove my point... which is the only thing that matters here.

No.

The only thing that matters is that I want a gallery dump like this and can't get it.

gallery link|description|referral link|banner link

If doing that is too hard for a sponsor then so be it.

And the only "point" here is the one on your head.

If you are tired of complaints then exit stage left.

I'm sure lots of people will give a rats ass when you leave.

i agree, its very disappointing that a big percentage of sponsors can't even provide usable descriptions for the galleries...
recently i started using flv dumps, and believe me, the situation is not nicer... most sponsor can't even offer really hotlinkable content as its not possible to seek in the stream of the flv files [streaming server issue or the lack of metadata]. and yes, even the biggest sponsors do have this issue..

my dumps always disappoint those in the same room

I only ever get annoyed when it comes to gallery dumps if there is no mention of a model name OR gallerys with 15 3meg photos in it.

Other than that, you don't need all this other bs information. Best off making up the rest of the shit yourself. No need to add 15 billion gallerys at a time.

A sponsor with only 10 FHGs with a design that sells and a decent description that actually matches the content, will get hundreds of times more traffic from me than a sponsor with 15000 FHGs that have no or crappy (autogenerated) descriptions.

9 times out of 10 the sponsor with 10,000 galleries have 10,000 galleries of shit.

Fact :

If you can't or don't want to spend a few minutes to copy and paste an image to greatly increase the conversions that's fine.

I agree with the point of the thread in that sponsors promo tools are lazily put together. I was just making a simple suggestion.

A few minutes easily becomes 3 days because of the volume.

I downloaded 200 banners for 200 sites. You think I can make 200 banners in
a few minutes?

Doing it your way would take 30 days instead of 3.

Now after I get the banners and links and galleries up and running, I can
then go back and make some banners for a select group of sites.

Why wait 30 days to get a site up and running just because you want to
make "perfect banners"? Maybe you can make some sales from the "shit banners"
while you're spending time to make 200 perfect ones.

The designers making their banners are making better banners than I make
anyway.


And the stuff the guy said about duplicate content on descriptions is just
off the scale of reality because here we are with duplicate galleries and duplicate
banners......but oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not duplicate text descriptions.

As if the google bot is so stupid that it can see the same gallery link and think
the content changed on the gallery link because the text description is different.

They ain't that fucking stupid so I wish people would stop suggesting such stuff.

You have "duplicate content" as soon as you link to a hosted gallery; no matter
how you link to it.

I put duplicate content in quotes because the real issue with duplicate content
is when one web site uses multiple(different) links to the same content on the
same site.

People are trying to turn it into something else and using bad information.

The way the guy explained it would mean any webmaster that gave you a
back link like "visit yourdomain.com" would be screwing themselves since you
have the same text and back link from 100 sites and thus he now has
"duplicate content".

That's not the way it works.