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SteveLightspeed 11-21-2010 08:51 PM

Gideon folds when faced with COMMON SENSE.

baddog 11-21-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17717481)
two words "back up"

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You believe yourself?

Agent 488 11-21-2010 09:13 PM

who the fuck has ever used a torrent for a back up. that's just retarded.

VGeorgie 11-21-2010 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 17717554)
What you said doesn't make any sort of sense

It never does. Nor do the pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo like "n-1 points of redundancy." The first person you allow to copy a backup you made for yourself, in the cloud or elsewhere, is the first person you have illegally distributed the content to, and the first infringing copy you produced.

It also ignores that indexed P2P is hardly the most effective means to backups. It's about the slowest, most arcane, and least efficient means; while you can access your backups, so can everyone else connecting to you, costing you bandwidth and slowing down your network. This is really such a stupid argument I'm surprised anyone is willing to make it.

There is never fair use in *distributing* digital content you may have purchased to someone else, and this is exactly what happens the moment anyone other than the original purchaser accesses the file.

Barry-xlovecam 11-22-2010 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 17716023)
This will just force the amount of any settlement agreements to increase, to cover the extra work and expense of filing in multiple jurisdictions. How is that a win for pirates? :2 cents:

Steve Lightspeed


"[T]his will just force the amount of any settlement agreements to increase ..."

If this is your strategy, I suggest you rethink it.

Jon Oso 11-22-2010 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17716904)
Misuse of equipment can't be blamed on the ISP. Would be like suing the manufacturer of a knife you were stabbed by a loony with.

Or suing McDonalds for making you fat...

wait.:(

Stacks Banned for Life 11-22-2010 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 17716067)
Attorneys generally have 1 licensed in one state.


That means you have to hire an attorney for every state these people/pirates are in and file a separate law suit for every state. Versus one attorney and one lawsuit with multiple defendants listed with the venue from where the lawsuit is filed is stated.



That really sux ass! This will get really expensive for people trying to protect their content really fast. Even if you win, defendants will probably end up "BK-ing" the judgements.


Sad news:(

Not really, my lawyer can practice in NY and MD, smart ol jew he is.

seeandsee 11-22-2010 04:49 AM

no real winners

raven1083 11-22-2010 07:22 AM

...and the winners...

Mutt 11-22-2010 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 17717494)
I can't wait until karma runs you over with a fucking snow plow.

:1orglaugh

Machete_ 11-22-2010 07:25 AM

wtf? they made a Far Cry movie?

link to download pls!

gideongallery 11-22-2010 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 17717557)
Gideon folds when faced with COMMON SENSE.


Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 17717554)
How could sharing content with other people be considered a backup? What you said doesn't make any sort of sense


so it doesn't make sense when you deliberately violate the US supreme court ruling in Cablevision vs 20th century fox and look at it using the wrong POV.

it only sharing if you look at from the network prespective. The problem is that every fair use even timeshifting appears to be an infringement when you look at it from that point of view. The appeals court recognized this and when they changed the POV they realized it was no different using the cloud as a timeshifting device as a VCR.

That the issue here, the seeder is never sharing the file, when you look at it from the users POV. He is never giving ANYONE a copy of the working file, he is simply putting pieces of the file on multiple transient computers (fair use of cacheing). The leacher is not making copies when they download the pieces, because it still not a full working copy. It only when they REORDER it into a working copy does the action ever become an infringing, and then only when you don't have a fair use right to RECOVER the content.

I will say it again

leave the seeder alone
leave the tracker alone
leave the leecher with the fair use alone

Go after the leecher without the fair use right

gideongallery 11-22-2010 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17719516)
so it doesn't make sense when you deliberately violate the US supreme court ruling in Cablevision vs 20th century fox and look at it using the wrong POV.

it only sharing if you look at from the network prespective. The problem is that every fair use even timeshifting appears to be an infringement when you look at it from that point of view. The appeals court recognized this and when they changed the POV they realized it was no different using the cloud as a timeshifting device as a VCR.

That the issue here, the seeder is never sharing the file, when you look at it from the users POV. He is never giving ANYONE a copy of the working file, he is simply putting pieces of the file on multiple transient computers (fair use of cacheing). The leacher is not making copies when they download the pieces, because it still not a full working copy. It only when they REORDER it into a working copy does the action ever become an infringing, and then only when you don't have a fair use right to RECOVER the content.

I will say it again

leave the seeder alone
leave the tracker alone
leave the leecher with the fair use alone

Go after the leecher without the fair use right

btw if you want proof of this try playing a torrent that is only 20% complete and see how quickly it crashes your windows media player.

it doesn't become a complete working copy until the entire transaction is done, and the seeder has zero control about those actions after they handed out the pieces to each individual person.

JustDaveXxx 11-22-2010 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacks (Post 17718065)
Not really, my lawyer can practice in NY and MD, smart ol jew he is.

Thats because he is licensed in both of those states. He studied an sat for two separate BAR exams to have a dual license.

And there are 2 or 3 states that if you are licensed in those states will let you practice in the state next door.


But the general rule is you need to take the BAR exam for every state you are gonna practice in. And that test is not easy.


My Brother who is licensed in the state of Florida has worked in California under my fathers California license. There are loops and exceptions, but nothing that covers all 50 states.




And to Gidion Gallery.... Really??? OK then.:thumbsup

GAH 11-24-2010 11:35 AM

Can someone explain to me, in layman's terms. why sites like, say, PornBB, PlanetSuzy and Perved deliberately set up a site for sharing copyrighted material, yet are immune to any action against them? The same with MegaUpload, Hotfile and Rapidshare, why is there not a clause saying a file cannot contain anything that is copyrighted? I'm in the publishing world and if anyone as much as borrows a sentence out of a book without permission they are jumped on and compensation has to be paid.

How come no-one fights back against these sites and put out malicious rumours about them? Like their files contain malware, their pop-ups download trojans. I'd rip their heads off if they were doing this to me. Surely if word gets around then the advertisers they attract would steer clear.

It's like when I've sent links of shared material to a model, it can take days and weeks for it to be removed, that's ridiculous that they go about doing that at their leisure, without fear of getting their balls tweaked!


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