Exactly my point.. But hey, dont give them to much info. I dont know you but if you are in mainstream, for the sake of it, dont tempt these fake losers like machete to cross over.

I'm just amused by the divide. I can see how stupid a lot of stuff would look but once you dig a bit deeper it makes sense.

I know a couple of mainstreamers. One had a magic site where he sold magic tricks, after he had paid for his adwords he was barely breaking even.
Another guy I knew would cookie stuff in forums to make money from eBay, he got a few $300 cheques through then they cancelled his account
I also knew an over 60 guy who constantly joins "How to Get Rich" websites, with one of them he paid $10,000 for their videos which turned out to be a waste of time, he asked for his money back but they never replied, he sees it as a good learning experience. He still joins the same type of 'Get Rich' sites and tries to get other 'Get Rich' people signed underneath him, then all the 'Get Rich' people wait for the next such site to open up so as they can scramble to get in first.

What is the average net for that 1:60 if you don't mind me asking.

Yap those e-books are usually collections of stuff what is freely available on the internet (basic seo etc). Haven't bought any of those, but I think it's that :)

But again there are some guys who do really make money by selling real products via linkshare (higher commission then via amazon). For example by building 3-4 page minisites only about one product and using special promo codes to have a better price then at other places.

http://affiliate.asseenontv.com/ converts better for me than anything in adult, true story. I gave you guys that one for free, anything else and you'll have to buy my ebook and a dvd about how to read it the correct way. :thumbsup

I sell domains in mainstream. Have made from a 50% loss to a 40000% profit per sale, and made as much as $51,000 profit on a sale.

It can be lucrative, but it's verrry tough. There's not many people who do it for a living, and probably less today than a few years ago.

You should combine the two - advertise AsSeenOnTV stuff on adult sites. ShamWow holds up to 50 times its weight in jizz.

Bravo fine sire. Bravo....
:thumbsup

Translation: "I was outed as a complete hack and idiot in the porn biz and chased off GFY board, so now I make up a story pretending to have moved on to mainstream making a killing there with little effort. Hurr durr! everyone are too stupid to see through my genious trolling!"

The easiest way is to go to both Amazon and Gtrends and see what's hot at the moment & is trending upwards, not much point in pushing a vertical that has traffic dropping off. You then do your keyword research as you would in adult and look for easy targets to dominate in the serps, or look for low competition/bid prices on your target phrase in both ppc (adwords,etc) and ppv traffic sellers.

Now you knock up your site and get the traffic flowing to it, either via organic search traffic or paid traffic as I said above. Now you have to decide are you going to collect consumer data and build your opt-in lists or are you going to sell something to the consumers directly from your site?

If you decide to build your own list (by using embeded opt-in box on your site or a pop/onload squeeze page) then you get multiple chances of trying to sell something to them. Good paid companies to use for this are Aweber and Getresponse.

If how ever you want to just try to sell something to your traffic from your site you have a few options here. Firstly you could try to sell a cpa offer, plenty of networks out there just check out Offervault. Second you might want to try dropshipping the product yourself but this will require you to do some work, I know effort heh. The upside to DS is you can use providers such as Alibaba and so on to do this for you. You just bill the customer and get the item sent out.

The upside to DS is you get a bigger cut of the item price, compared to the lame 6% or so if you would have sold the same thing via Amazon.

If you like low % payouts you can sell direct via the Amazon affiliate program.

There are also other cool things you can do with the traffic to your site. For example you could make a membership site that charges $7-$30 or whatever you like per month rebilling.

For example you might be targeting the male weight gain (yes that's right gain not loss) vertical. In your members site you might knock up a ton of information/tutorials/home videos on how you went about putting on weight. You could be a skinny fuck like me and blogged about how you stepped up the gym muscle gain and ate 10 meals of chicken a day to put on the kilos.

Inside your membership site (which you can protect with Amember and bill via Paypal) you could upsell a male weight gain cpa offer which most cpa networks carry, these often payout $40+ on a $2.97 shipping trial.

So by now you should see that there is tons and tons of different things you can do to make money online in mainstream. The best part is you don't need to sell shitty ebooks like all the skids/Indians do on DP and other lame forums.

You just need to get out of the "must sell porn, must sell porn, must sell porn" mindset. :)

-N

Nekrom killing it. :thumbsup:thumbsup

ok, what i've gathered from this thread so far is that much of "mainstream" business revolves around screwing around with adsense/ppc.

Yep thats it.

You should try it, you will kill the mainstream biz man.

We agree again :thumbsup

Well what i can tell you is, that the payment is $19.95 a pop. Doesnt sound like much, but im sure you know what it can do a day.

And thats why you are the idiot that needs a fake nick, and im the one that never needed to "hide" behind anything :)

Keep thinking that eb, you fit in well with the other "frisky hating support group" :1orglaugh

I don't think you'll make money in anything(for an extended period) if you don't find something that you're passionate about.

A % of $20. adds up for sure.

This is an underlying truth of it all, for either tangible products or porn niches it helps to be interested in the product.

and where is it?

I really like this thread. I have been studying mainstream stuff for weeks now and was just about to start some cpa offers and what not. I am a very impatient person so I was going to just do some media buys with cpv ad agencies and stuff, maybe some ppc as well...

Do you guys frequent any no bullshit boards? Maybe we could all collaborate more often somewhere.

Oh and finding the niche is the most important thing. Just like adult 10 years ago... I have one niche down, but its seasonal... So I need something else to pick up the slack when that one is slow.

This thread has some useful info in it. I'm a little surprised.

It's not all about selling ebooks and scammy get rich quick offers. I know some people that are really killing it generating leads, selling auto insurance,credit reports, identity protection...
When you join a mainstream sponsor you'll be amazed at the huge amount of offers you can run. And getting the traffic is easier.Imagine running a zip/email submit offer that pays $1.50 per lead and sending 10.000 uniques to that offer a day...

Amazon is a trusted brand, and while their commissions aren't high, they do sell well to online buyers. There is little risk involved in promoting Amazon, and providing you have a good traffic flow and promote a product that isn't time sensitive, you will have consistent sales well into the future. If you only make one sale a month, ya you're going to be stuck at 4%, but if you make 7 sales a month and you're up to 6%, scaling up to 8.5% for people pushing large volume. That's really not bad for a mainstream commission on tangible goods.

I've had successes and failures with Amazon, and I know of at least a couple people who work strictly with Amazon and do pretty well. There are plenty of opportunities to make money with Amazon, but it is only a single revenue stream, if you rely on Amazon commissions alone, you're doin' it wrong...

And getting paid for like 10% of them. Those zip/email submits get raped by lowballing scammers. As a defense mechanism they shave leads like a motherfucker. Finding an email submit offer that doesn't suck to push is like finding a needle in a haystack.

offervault gives me a boner

Credit Checks were rocking for a while, then all the Craigslist scams turned around and bit that whole niche in the ass. As soon as the law stated that every page had to have a clearly visible link to the governent's free credit check site. things went right to shit.

This is the main problem man!!!!!!

I recently started promotiong blucigs.com and have been rather surprised with the results.

Current Commissions - From Last Payout To Date
Transactions 28
Standard Earnings $376.00 USD
Tier Earnings N/A
Recurring Earnings N/A
Current Earnings $376.00 USD

Traffic Statistics
Visitors 13,794
Unique Visitors 9,607
Total Sales 28
Sales Ratio 0.203%

Half my time these days is spent in "mainstream". That's partly because this industry is dying on its ass, but also timing. A mate of mine wanted some help generating leads for his real estate business in Spain. He sells top end Villas, ?5m-?10m price range typically. I get a cut of his commission.

I tried dicking around in Amazon / CJ back in the day, I never had any luck with it whatsoever. There is so much competition on adwords for nearly everything these days, I wouldn't even bother looking in that direction.

Good luck, you seem such a nice kind man, I hope everything works out well for you.

Got some domains, gonna rape some donkeys.

Where do you sell your own generated leads/emails like that?
We are not talking about cpa email/zip submit offers here right? We are talking about you collecting emails yourself and selling them to someone?

By the way, if eBay still pays how they did 3 years ago then it is one of the most amazing affiliate programs on earth. Shitload of millionaires from that and they cover every niche imaginable.

cpalead.com start there

Twice the distance from the middle :thumbsup

Things have changed since then I believe. The ACROs or whatever it was they paid out big on back in the day are done for from what I know, and EPN has been a fucking bitch when it comes to canning accounts, even for good clean whitehat affiliates. I've never done much with EPN, but I've heard tons of stories that go both ways. They were really having a fuck of a time when auction stuffing was going strong, and I'm not sure how things have settled out over there now. All I know is that they don't payout like they used to.

1. upload pirated hollywood movies and tv shows
2. lock behind cpalead gateway
3. ????????
4. PROFIT

seriously, they are one of mainstream's biggest revenue sources for pirates...

I work with Adsense, CJ.com, ShareASale.com, Clickbank.com and a couple of other networks.

When I sign up for a new network I try to promote as many different products as possible to find the ones that converts.
But Adsense is my favorite because you can run a website you actually like working on and make money from it.

Clickbank was a real failure for me, out of 200 products I found ~4 that converted and only 1 that I still promote today.

So my tip is, try to promote as many things as possible. And remember, people cant download physical products so your ratios wont grow every year. ;-)

You can do the CPA thing, but I wouldn't recommend it. All depends on what type of leads you're generating. The TV one was a bit of a stupid example, but using that, just find an electronics store and sell the leads to them. They'll buy them. Or GeoIP the leads, break them down by region, and sell them to local stores.

Or put up a website that generates leads on people interested in real estate. GeoIP them, find property development or condo companies in those regions, and sell away. Find people interested in snorkeling, and sell the leads to diving companies, or whatever. Then if wanted, offer to do their e-mail campaign for them, marketing analysis, SEO, and all that shit.

Really though, asking what to do in "mainstream", is like you asking what somebody does for a living, and they reply "oh, business". Business? WTF does that mean?

wow, this thread actually turned out to be quite decent. If not the the few asshats like MrFrisky it would have been even better.

Anyway, do mainstream people have any info on www.cj.com ?

I remember 10 years ago it was a major mainstream affiliate program platform.

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