The easiest way is to go to both Amazon and Gtrends and see what's hot at the moment & is trending upwards, not much point in pushing a vertical that has traffic dropping off. You then do your keyword research as you would in adult and look for easy targets to dominate in the serps, or look for low competition/bid prices on your target phrase in both ppc (adwords,etc) and ppv traffic sellers.

Now you knock up your site and get the traffic flowing to it, either via organic search traffic or paid traffic as I said above. Now you have to decide are you going to collect consumer data and build your opt-in lists or are you going to sell something to the consumers directly from your site?

If you decide to build your own list (by using embeded opt-in box on your site or a pop/onload squeeze page) then you get multiple chances of trying to sell something to them. Good paid companies to use for this are Aweber and Getresponse.

If how ever you want to just try to sell something to your traffic from your site you have a few options here. Firstly you could try to sell a cpa offer, plenty of networks out there just check out Offervault. Second you might want to try dropshipping the product yourself but this will require you to do some work, I know effort heh. The upside to DS is you can use providers such as Alibaba and so on to do this for you. You just bill the customer and get the item sent out.

The upside to DS is you get a bigger cut of the item price, compared to the lame 6% or so if you would have sold the same thing via Amazon.

If you like low % payouts you can sell direct via the Amazon affiliate program.

There are also other cool things you can do with the traffic to your site. For example you could make a membership site that charges $7-$30 or whatever you like per month rebilling.

For example you might be targeting the male weight gain (yes that's right gain not loss) vertical. In your members site you might knock up a ton of information/tutorials/home videos on how you went about putting on weight. You could be a skinny fuck like me and blogged about how you stepped up the gym muscle gain and ate 10 meals of chicken a day to put on the kilos.

Inside your membership site (which you can protect with Amember and bill via Paypal) you could upsell a male weight gain cpa offer which most cpa networks carry, these often payout $40+ on a $2.97 shipping trial.

So by now you should see that there is tons and tons of different things you can do to make money online in mainstream. The best part is you don't need to sell shitty ebooks like all the skids/Indians do on DP and other lame forums.

You just need to get out of the "must sell porn, must sell porn, must sell porn" mindset. :)

-N

Nekrom killing it. :thumbsup:thumbsup

ok, what i've gathered from this thread so far is that much of "mainstream" business revolves around screwing around with adsense/ppc.

Yep thats it.

You should try it, you will kill the mainstream biz man.

We agree again :thumbsup

Well what i can tell you is, that the payment is $19.95 a pop. Doesnt sound like much, but im sure you know what it can do a day.

And thats why you are the idiot that needs a fake nick, and im the one that never needed to "hide" behind anything :)

Keep thinking that eb, you fit in well with the other "frisky hating support group" :1orglaugh

I don't think you'll make money in anything(for an extended period) if you don't find something that you're passionate about.

A % of $20. adds up for sure.

This is an underlying truth of it all, for either tangible products or porn niches it helps to be interested in the product.

and where is it?

I really like this thread. I have been studying mainstream stuff for weeks now and was just about to start some cpa offers and what not. I am a very impatient person so I was going to just do some media buys with cpv ad agencies and stuff, maybe some ppc as well...

Do you guys frequent any no bullshit boards? Maybe we could all collaborate more often somewhere.

Oh and finding the niche is the most important thing. Just like adult 10 years ago... I have one niche down, but its seasonal... So I need something else to pick up the slack when that one is slow.

This thread has some useful info in it. I'm a little surprised.

It's not all about selling ebooks and scammy get rich quick offers. I know some people that are really killing it generating leads, selling auto insurance,credit reports, identity protection...
When you join a mainstream sponsor you'll be amazed at the huge amount of offers you can run. And getting the traffic is easier.Imagine running a zip/email submit offer that pays $1.50 per lead and sending 10.000 uniques to that offer a day...

Amazon is a trusted brand, and while their commissions aren't high, they do sell well to online buyers. There is little risk involved in promoting Amazon, and providing you have a good traffic flow and promote a product that isn't time sensitive, you will have consistent sales well into the future. If you only make one sale a month, ya you're going to be stuck at 4%, but if you make 7 sales a month and you're up to 6%, scaling up to 8.5% for people pushing large volume. That's really not bad for a mainstream commission on tangible goods.

I've had successes and failures with Amazon, and I know of at least a couple people who work strictly with Amazon and do pretty well. There are plenty of opportunities to make money with Amazon, but it is only a single revenue stream, if you rely on Amazon commissions alone, you're doin' it wrong...

And getting paid for like 10% of them. Those zip/email submits get raped by lowballing scammers. As a defense mechanism they shave leads like a motherfucker. Finding an email submit offer that doesn't suck to push is like finding a needle in a haystack.

offervault gives me a boner

Credit Checks were rocking for a while, then all the Craigslist scams turned around and bit that whole niche in the ass. As soon as the law stated that every page had to have a clearly visible link to the governent's free credit check site. things went right to shit.

This is the main problem man!!!!!!

I recently started promotiong blucigs.com and have been rather surprised with the results.

Current Commissions - From Last Payout To Date
Transactions 28
Standard Earnings $376.00 USD
Tier Earnings N/A
Recurring Earnings N/A
Current Earnings $376.00 USD

Traffic Statistics
Visitors 13,794
Unique Visitors 9,607
Total Sales 28
Sales Ratio 0.203%

Half my time these days is spent in "mainstream". That's partly because this industry is dying on its ass, but also timing. A mate of mine wanted some help generating leads for his real estate business in Spain. He sells top end Villas, ?5m-?10m price range typically. I get a cut of his commission.

I tried dicking around in Amazon / CJ back in the day, I never had any luck with it whatsoever. There is so much competition on adwords for nearly everything these days, I wouldn't even bother looking in that direction.

Good luck, you seem such a nice kind man, I hope everything works out well for you.

Got some domains, gonna rape some donkeys.

Where do you sell your own generated leads/emails like that?
We are not talking about cpa email/zip submit offers here right? We are talking about you collecting emails yourself and selling them to someone?

By the way, if eBay still pays how they did 3 years ago then it is one of the most amazing affiliate programs on earth. Shitload of millionaires from that and they cover every niche imaginable.

cpalead.com start there

Twice the distance from the middle :thumbsup

Things have changed since then I believe. The ACROs or whatever it was they paid out big on back in the day are done for from what I know, and EPN has been a fucking bitch when it comes to canning accounts, even for good clean whitehat affiliates. I've never done much with EPN, but I've heard tons of stories that go both ways. They were really having a fuck of a time when auction stuffing was going strong, and I'm not sure how things have settled out over there now. All I know is that they don't payout like they used to.

1. upload pirated hollywood movies and tv shows
2. lock behind cpalead gateway
3. ????????
4. PROFIT

seriously, they are one of mainstream's biggest revenue sources for pirates...

I work with Adsense, CJ.com, ShareASale.com, Clickbank.com and a couple of other networks.

When I sign up for a new network I try to promote as many different products as possible to find the ones that converts.
But Adsense is my favorite because you can run a website you actually like working on and make money from it.

Clickbank was a real failure for me, out of 200 products I found ~4 that converted and only 1 that I still promote today.

So my tip is, try to promote as many things as possible. And remember, people cant download physical products so your ratios wont grow every year. ;-)

You can do the CPA thing, but I wouldn't recommend it. All depends on what type of leads you're generating. The TV one was a bit of a stupid example, but using that, just find an electronics store and sell the leads to them. They'll buy them. Or GeoIP the leads, break them down by region, and sell them to local stores.

Or put up a website that generates leads on people interested in real estate. GeoIP them, find property development or condo companies in those regions, and sell away. Find people interested in snorkeling, and sell the leads to diving companies, or whatever. Then if wanted, offer to do their e-mail campaign for them, marketing analysis, SEO, and all that shit.

Really though, asking what to do in "mainstream", is like you asking what somebody does for a living, and they reply "oh, business". Business? WTF does that mean?

wow, this thread actually turned out to be quite decent. If not the the few asshats like MrFrisky it would have been even better.

Anyway, do mainstream people have any info on www.cj.com ?

I remember 10 years ago it was a major mainstream affiliate program platform.

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Still a major player, and they've got a lot of the big affiliate shops under their program. Many people have been fucked around by them, including myself. If they suspect even the littlest thing they will freeze your account and you might not see your money for some time. They're pretty strict about things. I'm on the fence as to if I want to promote them again or not. It's hard not to when they've got so many of the big merchants squared away though.

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I'm pretty much exclusively in Travel now.... it's a huge industry and something people are willing to spend thousands on a year.

nekrom and bronco67
what they said

:2 cents:

I do excellent in mainstream but it is with a subject and product that I have been dealing in for over 50 years. Buy/sell gold, silver, rare coins, collectibles.

If you have a hobby ... promote the shit out of it ... it works if you know what you are talking about.

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Lots of helpfulness in this thread.

Im an asshat because its totally useless to waste time telling dumbass fakenick losers like yourself how to make money.

You will fail either way, with or without help. Cant wait untill you try and fail and come crying to gfy about it.

You failed in adult, go back to flippin burgers kid.

do you know some gold/silver buy and sell affiliate program? I have few domains on with google adsense about gold....

penis enlargement

I've seen some silver bullion programs, I think they were on either ShareASale or LinkShare. Dunno about gold, unless you're looking for something like Cash4Gold, which is on a shitload of CPA networks.

what would be the most profitable keywords/keyphrases to shoot for, seo-wise?

I have this http://dopenisenlargement.com/

No Sales.

http://www.drnatura.com/colon_cleans...eanse_105.html

after seeing those pics people are convinced there's a ton of ancient shit up their asses.

With CJ, I found that, as with Amazon, it was kinda dismal selling a few grand worth of stuff and getting a check for like two adult site memberships. CJ also seems to use any bizarre excuse to toss folks from their program, after links have been put up.

Like I had one site, with pretty decent traffic which was totally not an adult site, and I applied to CJ with that specific site. CJ accepted it. Then, after I'd gone through all the bother of sorting through their various programs and putting up links and got all their banners in rotation, they kicked the site for adult content. I went back and forth with them quite a bit because it was a site I'd restrained myself from putting adult on. Finally, they said there was strong language on there. I pointed out that there was no new content on there since I applied and they accepted the site.

So CJ said that they did not mean the editorial content, but sometimes people used bad words in the forums and I clearly wouldn't be able to stop them, so any site with naughty words occasionally used in forums is an adult site. I don't think that even fits with their terms of service, but whatever.

Back before the internet got its panties in a wad over adult vs. mainstream, I used to do pretty well with credit card upsells on membership site join pages. I'd offer check billing for those without credit cards, but also have a pitch for if they need a credit card and don't have one yet, apply here.

Yes I figured this out, but why would these companies trust some average joe saying he has leads for them? If somebody offered those to me I would think - what if these are just the list of random emails.

Or should you go small and say deliver 50 leads, they check them out and if they like they continue working with you?

Because you show them your site, your traffic stats, and all that kinky shit.

My mainstream sites are little but they have quality search engine traffic. I could generate on average only 5 leads per day but those would be quality leads. Like 5 people loooking for dentist in some area like an example. They could submit their email and phone expecting some dentist from their area to call them. But I would want more than 0.80$ for this or similar leads. Its not like random emails of random people from the area not excatly looking for something, just submitting their email.

Why not generate solar leads and take 2% which is the norm? :thumbsup

2% is approx. .02*50K= well you figure it out. That's a typical residential roof install...

Free advice for somebody