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Vendzilla 11-12-2010 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17694212)
And this explains your position on the extension of the Bush tax cuts, how?


Instead of Obama dealing with what people were truly concerned about, ending the wars, and the Economy and not focusing all his efforts on entitlements and spending on a stimulus package that didn't work because of the bureaucracy that's inherent in government. He lost more power than any democrat president has had in decades. Why, because the economy has suffered under his presidency, because it suffered under democrat control of the house and senate for 4 years. Not in over 70 years has a president taken a beating like Obama did in the midterms.
You can blame Bush, you can Blame the GOP, but they were not in power. When you take the job, it's you who are to blame.
When they Democrats lost Kennedy's seat in the election, they should have got the message, but when they didn't they pissed off the American voters and paid for it.
It's simple what the American people want, they want the government to spend less, more in their pockets and more jobs in the US. Jobs that supplied by those that make over 250K.
That was that little group of people that got together in almost 3000 individual groups and called them selves the Tea Party. Even the GOP is scared of them. Why? because they are the people and they are organized. And all the left could do was belittle themselves and call them racist, even though a couple of the candidates they back were black and now for the first time in history, the Black caucus is going to have a couple GOP members.


When the GOP asked about working with the stimulus bill , Obama said "I WON", now he has "LOST"

BFT3K 11-12-2010 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17694242)
One could argue, like Obama is arguing now, that Clinton passed on Bush a terrible bubble economy and bush was trying to stop the damage the best he could. Not that I would argue that, but that is the same argument Obama and the useful idiots are using. :2 cents:

A good spinner could blame the Clinton bubble over the deregulation of Wall Street under Reagan - and then follow that up with the fact that the mortgage bubble that burst under Bush, could be blamed on banking deregulations.

The rich still made out like bandits in both cases, while the middle and lower classes felt the pinch, from all of this irresponsible behavior.

Semi-unrelated to this post topic: Obama has passed legislation to curb both of those special interests, and the heat is on. Those with enough power and wealth to protect, want Obama out, so their games can continue without supervision, which will not help almost ANY of us!

They have convinced MILLIONS of Americans to, once again, vote against their own best interests, to benefit the very few.

96ukssob 11-12-2010 10:36 AM

i better keep my income below $500k then :thumbsup

12clicks 11-12-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Slutboat (Post 17694234)
700 BILLION - thats what the TOP 2 Percent of highest income earners will put in their pocket - thats 700 BILLION that could go towards jobs and infrastructure...

Go back to watching Hannity and Bill O'Reilly Vendzilla you fucking CLOWN!

Sucks to berhe bottom 2% doesn't it? :1orglaugh

BFT3K 11-12-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17694260)
Your chart is a lie bft3k, just like all the other shut you sell.
As explained before. The chart is showing a 10% difference on 1mil of earnings.
No one is talking about 10%. the actual number is 4.6%
you've been duped again.

Also, it's trash like you who think paying $350,000 a year for the same services YOU get for free is not enough of a contribution.
It's trash like you that is all that's wring with our country

Translation: If the facts don't work for me, I will spew out meaningless insults and drivel.

BFT3K 11-12-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17694265)
Instead of Obama dealing with what people were truly concerned about, ending the wars, and the Economy and not focusing all his efforts on entitlements and spending on a stimulus package that didn't work because of the bureaucracy that's inherent in government. He lost more power than any democrat president has had in decades. Why, because the economy has suffered under his presidency, because it suffered under democrat control of the house and senate for 4 years. Not in over 70 years has a president taken a beating like Obama did in the midterms.
You can blame Bush, you can Blame the GOP, but they were not in power. When you take the job, it's you who are to blame.
When they Democrats lost Kennedy's seat in the election, they should have got the message, but when they didn't they pissed off the American voters and paid for it.
It's simple what the American people want, they want the government to spend less, more in their pockets and more jobs in the US. Jobs that supplied by those that make over 250K.
That was that little group of people that got together in almost 3000 individual groups and called them selves the Tea Party. Even the GOP is scared of them. Why? because they are the people and they are organized. And all the left could do was belittle themselves and call them racist, even though a couple of the candidates they back were black and now for the first time in history, the Black caucus is going to have a couple GOP members.


When the GOP asked about working with the stimulus bill , Obama said "I WON", now he has "LOST"

Please realize that the definition of "What the American People Want" as delivered by Fox Noise, is really "What the Super Rich People and CEOs Want"

Make a note of it.

12clicks 11-12-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17694268)
They have convinced MILLIONS of Americans to, once again, vote against their own best interests, to benefit the very few.

No, actually, unlike you, Americans understand that EVERYONE deserves a tax break, especially those who pay the most.

It's only the uneducated trash of this country that falls for the "evil rich" nonsense

BFT3K 11-12-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17694281)
No, actually, unlike you, Americans understand that EVERYONE deserves a tax break, especially those who pay the most.

It's only the uneducated trash of this country that falls for the "evil rich" nonsense

What country do you live in again?

12clicks 11-12-2010 11:15 AM

Or said so that even the stupid can understand:
If a 5% raise in taxes creates a $100k event,
Imagine how much of your way they're already paying.

Vendzilla 11-12-2010 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17694280)
Please realize that the definition of "What the American People Want" as delivered by Fox Noise, is really "What the Super Rich People and CEOs Want"

Make a note of it.

definition of what the people want is their vote dumb shit, or didn't you get the memo

brandonstills 11-12-2010 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17694090)
Numbers are not partisan.

What are the numbers as a percentage change for each income bracket?

Sly 11-12-2010 11:57 AM

Cuts, no cuts. Republican, Democrat.

I think it's pretty safe to say that most of us do not trust Congress and/or our government as a whole. Why are we so hellbent on handing over more money? I just don't get it.

Let's say, just for example, that the whole population agrees to a tax rate increase of 15%. Everyone. Rich, poor, everyone.

Do we really trust the government, as a whole, with that extra 15%? If you are Democrat, you will most likely not trust the Republicans. If you are Republican, you will most likely not trust the Democrats. Somebody you don't like is going to be in control of the money, regardless of which party is in power at any given date.

Why are we arguing so hard to give these people more money? We see what they did with the Social Security money... they spent it. It's all gone. Now we have to fix Social Security by paying more money, that they will just spend again. And again. And again. And that's just one example. If money is laying around, they spend it. That's how the government works. In my house, if money is laying around... it gets put into a safe spot so that it's available when it's really needed. Right now is one of those times where that money is really needed. And there's nothing there.

It doesn't really matter who pays what anymore. It will be squandered away anyway.

tony286 11-12-2010 12:35 PM

Actually when you consider how large government is it works pretty good. The old folks get their checks every month,they scream dont touch my medicare which is a government program. We have one of the greatest fighting forces in the world. Those who serve get thier college paid for. Thats government. Shit it was government that funded the creatation of the net. Its not bad at all Also just so i understand to blame w for economy is wrong because barry is now president. But 911 and the deaths of 3000 americans happened during bush but the right screamed its clintons fault hmmm.

BlackCrayon 11-12-2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17694281)
No, actually, unlike you, Americans understand that EVERYONE deserves a tax break, especially those who pay the most.

It's only the uneducated trash of this country that falls for the "evil rich" nonsense

please, the government is nothing more than puppets for the corps. we (yes even you) are at their mercy. their money gets bills passed, regulations changed so they can go on being financial predators. don't worry, the rich will continue to get tax breaks but the rich don't consider you rich, so get over youself. dem or republican, it doesn't matter. its all just a stupid game to keep the rabble busy while they fuck us (EVERYONE) in the ass repeatedly.

Tom_PM 11-12-2010 12:44 PM

Yes they did. They even said in some circles that bush inherited 911 and they werent kidding. Even though there's speeches where clinton begs the gop controlled congress for a bill to wiretap suspected terrorists. There's just no intellectual honesty in politics unless it's also convenient.

stocktrader23 11-12-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17694218)
Your chart is flawed, the president hasn't the power to control everything, he needs the power of congress and the senate, find a chart that reflects that

Not according to Bush he doesn't. He just signed out all of the shit he didn't approve which is exactly what Obama should have been doing the entire time to piss off the idiotic fucks like you. Democrats like to be rational and try to work together, this is their problem. Rather than give you all a well deserved 'fuck you' he actually thinks any conservative is capable of rational thought and reason. They aren't, fuck them. I wish he'd go ghetto and call them all out on TV 24/7 for the lying, piece of shit hypocrites that they are. Oh, and Congress could easily force through whatever they wanted like the Republican tards did but they too have no spine. That doesn't make you any smarter or any more right, it's just the way things are.

IllTestYourGirls 11-12-2010 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17694268)
A good spinner could blame the Clinton bubble over the deregulation of Wall Street under Reagan - and then follow that up with the fact that the mortgage bubble that burst under Bush, could be blamed on banking deregulations.

The rich still made out like bandits in both cases, while the middle and lower classes felt the pinch, from all of this irresponsible behavior.

Semi-unrelated to this post topic: Obama has passed legislation to curb both of those special interests, and the heat is on. Those with enough power and wealth to protect, want Obama out, so their games can continue without supervision, which will not help almost ANY of us!

They have convinced MILLIONS of Americans to, once again, vote against their own best interests, to benefit the very few.

What is against their interest? The wealthy getting a "Tax break" does not help me UNLESS the government is irresposnsable and makes promises it can not keep and spends beyond its means. That is not the fault of the rich or poor getting to keep their money it is the fault of the government an no one else.

As far as the rich fucking up and feeling the pinch. There is enough blame from everyone on why the economy is in the dumps. The middle class extended their credit to much, then expected the government to help them when they fucked up. The rich made and were forced to make bad investments then expected the government to bail them out.

You are falling for the trap. You are playing the roll of a useful idiot quiet well. They bribe you with your own money and you thank them for it

Vendzilla 11-12-2010 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17694609)
Not according to Bush he doesn't. He just signed out all of the shit he didn't approve which is exactly what Obama should have been doing the entire time to piss off the idiotic fucks like you. Democrats like to be rational and try to work together, this is their problem. Rather than give you all a well deserved 'fuck you' he actually thinks any conservative is capable of rational thought and reason. They aren't, fuck them. I wish he'd go ghetto and call them all out on TV 24/7 for the lying, piece of shit hypocrites that they are. Oh, and Congress could easily force through whatever they wanted like the Republican tards did but they too have no spine. That doesn't make you any smarter or any more right, it's just the way things are.

What are you talking about?
Democrats working together? They are like herding cats
Did you completely wash out in english, because what you're blathering about makes no sence

Vendzilla 11-12-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17694578)
Actually when you consider how large government is it works pretty good. The old folks get their checks every month,they scream dont touch my medicare which is a government program. We have one of the greatest fighting forces in the world. Those who serve get thier college paid for. Thats government. Shit it was government that funded the creatation of the net. Its not bad at all Also just so i understand to blame w for economy is wrong because barry is now president. But 911 and the deaths of 3000 americans happened during bush but the right screamed its clintons fault hmmm.

Government has a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit, It needs to reduce that
They blames Clinton because He had Bin Laden

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...0/181819.shtml

BFT3K 11-12-2010 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17694442)
definition of what the people want is their vote dumb shit, or didn't you get the memo

The people voted Obama for president, dumb ass. Some of his campaign positions, for which he was elected, were to reform healthcare, regulate Wall Street, and allow the Bush tax cuts for the rich TO EXPIRE.

For these promises (and many more), he was elected into office. So, if you want to stick with "what the people wanted" - Obama was elected by the people, and if they did not want healthcare reform and an end to the Bush tax cuts, then he would not have been elected.

IllTestYourGirls 11-12-2010 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17694754)
The people voted Obama for president, dumb ass. Some of his campaign positions, for which he was elected, were to reform healthcare, regulate Wall Street, and allow the Bush tax cuts for the rich TO EXPIRE.

For these promises (and many more), he was elected into office. So, if you want to stick with "what the people wanted" - Obama was elected by the people, and if they did not want healthcare reform and an end to the Bush tax cuts, then he would not have been elected.

And clearly in 2010 after seeing what Obama has done the public does not want his type of reform.

Lets face it the only reason Obama won was because everyone was sick and tired of Bush. But Obama has made Bush look good. :Oh crap

GatorB 11-12-2010 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17694133)
then what happened in the last 4 years under democrat control?

you do realize that the first 2 years the dems had to deal with a republican president with veto power

How did the US do with 6 years of total republican power? Oh yeah the created the worst financial crisis since the great depression.

GatorB 11-12-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17694758)
And clearly in 2010 after seeing what Obama has done the public does not want his type of reform.

Lets face it the only reason Obama won was because everyone was sick and tired of Bush. But Obama has made Bush look good. :Oh crap

BULLSHIT and most Americans WANT healthcare reform. ALl the neo-con republitards like to skew FACTS.

IllTestYourGirls 11-12-2010 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17694763)
BULLSHIT and most Americans WANT healthcare reform. ALl the neo-con republitards like to skew FACTS.

Reading what I wrote might help I said they DONT LIKE HIS REFORM. :winkwink:

BFT3K 11-12-2010 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17694281)
No, actually, unlike you, Americans understand that EVERYONE deserves a tax break, especially those who pay the most.

It's only the uneducated trash of this country that falls for the "evil rich" nonsense

Keeping the tax cuts in place FOR INCOME UP TO $250K GIVES EVERYONE A FUCKING TAX BREAK, UP TO $250K!

For those above that bracket, the tax breaks that went into effect under Bush, simply expire. The fact that they were set up to expire IS THE ONLY REASON THEY FUCKING PASSED TO BEGIN WITH!

It is like attempting to have a conversation with a fucking monkey.

wig 11-12-2010 03:10 PM

Seriously, you characters focus to much on the politics, which has almost no measurable effect on the things that are important to you, and that you attribute to a given parties credit or blame.

It's good humor, though.

DudeRick 11-12-2010 03:22 PM

BFT3K (Butt Fucked Troll 3000) Got his ass handed to him again! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BFT3K 11-12-2010 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RudeDick (Post 17694930)
BFT3K (Butt Fucked Troll 3000) Got his ass handed to him again! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Not in this thread I didn't.

You either can't read, or you cannot comprehend, or likely, both.

Life must be really tough for you, with your clear lack of common intelligence and all...

What do you do in this business again?

DudeRick 11-12-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17694964)
Not in this thread I didn't.

You either can't read, or you cannot comprehend, or likely, both.

Life must be really tough for you, with your clear lack of common intelligence and all...

What do you do in this business again?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...rick/loser.jpg

kbauerctu 11-12-2010 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17694600)
please, the government is nothing more than puppets for the corps. we (yes even you) are at their mercy. their money gets bills passed, regulations changed so they can go on being financial predators. don't worry, the rich will continue to get tax breaks but the rich don't consider you rich, so get over youself. dem or republican, it doesn't matter. its all just a stupid game to keep the rabble busy while they fuck us (EVERYONE) in the ass repeatedly.

Spoken for truth right here. Republican, Democrat, neo-con, liberal. or conservative, it matters not. Wake up! the rugs being pulled out from under us. Were all being duped. And the fact that the USA's populations income inequality reflects a third world country, should set off some alarm bells.

Vendzilla 11-12-2010 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17694754)
The people voted Obama for president, dumb ass. Some of his campaign positions, for which he was elected, were to reform healthcare, regulate Wall Street, and allow the Bush tax cuts for the rich TO EXPIRE.

For these promises (and many more), he was elected into office. So, if you want to stick with "what the people wanted" - Obama was elected by the people, and if they did not want healthcare reform and an end to the Bush tax cuts, then he would not have been elected.

Promises like Gitmo? End of DADT? END of EarMarks?

Vendzilla 11-12-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17694759)
you do realize that the first 2 years the dems had to deal with a republican president with veto power

How did the US do with 6 years of total republican power? Oh yeah the created the worst financial crisis since the great depression.

I'm not sticking up for the GOP, am I?
No I'm coming down on the democrats for fucking up, Name something that the democrats tried to push thru that the GW vetoed!

RaiderCash_Dominik 11-12-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17694072)
Here is what the fight is all about...

http://www.FetishSoup.com/GFY/TaxBreaksChart.jpg

Until you are making at least half a million bucks per year it is almost identical.

It is not until one MILLION dollars, that the tax break jumps all the way up to 10% of income earned, which is totally disproportionate to those of us in the REAL world!

You know, just about EVERYONE here on GFY for example.

Keep on fighting against your own best interests you Fox Noise idiots!

Thats just plain stupid. Of course the amount is going to get bigger when someone is making 1 million. You should look at % not the amount itself. Don't see how someone who's making a million should not be entitled to same benefit as one who's making 40K.

tony286 11-12-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17694696)
Government has a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit, It needs to reduce that
They blames Clinton because He had Bin Laden

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...0/181819.shtml

Then they should do away with the tax cuts. 700 billion takes care of a good chunk of that. Quote me a real news source than I will go with it. Again clinton wasnt president when 3000 people died bush was and he had in august intel that bin laden to attack us with planes.

tony286 11-12-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17694759)
you do realize that the first 2 years the dems had to deal with a republican president with veto power

How did the US do with 6 years of total republican power? Oh yeah the created the worst financial crisis since the great depression.

It doesnt matter its the dems fault. Even when the right had it all and could change things and didnt its still the dems fault. Thats their answer and when they have it all back and it doesnt get better. They will blame one term president obama but then its ok because they are doing it.

Vendzilla 11-12-2010 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17695058)
Then they should do away with the tax cuts. 700 billion takes care of a good chunk of that. Quote me a real news source than I will go with it. Again clinton wasnt president when 3000 people died bush was and he had in august intel that bin laden to attack us with planes.

Reduce what they are spending, giving them more money to blow is insane.
More money in the hands of the people is better

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17695067)
It doesnt matter its the dems fault. Even when the right had it all and could change things and didnt its still the dems fault. Thats their answer and when they have it all back and it doesnt get better. They will blame one term president obama but then its ok because they are doing it.

4 years ago, it was the GOP's fault.
4 Years ago, the democrats promised change, we got change, it's worse
They just got givin walking papers, now it's time for the new GOP members to prove themselves

tony286 11-12-2010 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17695080)
Reduce what they are spending, giving them more money to blow is insane.



The cutting spending isnt welfare its a very small piece of the pie, so are ear marks or pork whatever its called at the moment, its military, social security, medicare and huge subsidies for big business. They will talk all the bullshit and will do nothing. Maybe cut somethings that fuck with poor people but nothing that means a shit.Because they all know its a political third rail.

IllTestYourGirls 11-12-2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17695172)
The cutting spending isnt welfare its a very small piece of the pie, so are ear marks or pork whatever its called at the moment, its military, social security, medicare and huge subsidies for big business. They will talk all the bullshit and will do nothing. Maybe cut somethings that fuck with poor people but nothing that means a shit.Because they all know its a political third rail.

So you are saying it is mostly socialist programs that are bankrupting our country, man who would have thought! :1orglaugh

12clicks 11-12-2010 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 17694880)
Keeping the tax cuts in place FOR INCOME UP TO $250K GIVES EVERYONE A FUCKING TAX BREAK, UP TO $250K!

For those above that bracket, the tax breaks that went into effect under Bush, simply expire. The fact that they were set up to expire IS THE ONLY REASON THEY FUCKING PASSED TO BEGIN WITH!

It is like attempting to have a conversation with a fucking monkey.

When you see how these guys think, the reason for their failure becomes clear.

Dipshit, it was a taxcut for ALL tax payers. You, Obama, and similar trash want to keep it for everyone EXCEPT those already paying the most in taxes.

God, life is going to suck for you. :1orglaugh

12clicks 11-12-2010 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17694600)
please, the government is nothing more than puppets for the corps. we (yes even you) are at their mercy. their money gets bills passed, regulations changed so they can go on being financial predators. don't worry, the rich will continue to get tax breaks but the rich don't consider you rich, so get over youself. dem or republican, it doesn't matter. its all just a stupid game to keep the rabble busy while they fuck us (EVERYONE) in the ass repeatedly.

Oh, to have it all figured out and still live with mommy......


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