fitty apology letters

Hi Steve,

Of course how you handle your business is up to you, but since you posted his letter I'll assume you're looking for some feedback. Here's mine.

The letter sounds like he's sucking up to you because he's scared. He is scared and he should be, and too bad for that theif. Don't let him or anyone else off the hook. He said himself that he saw nothing wrong with stealing porn. A threatening letter to him is fine but it needs to be followed through. Make him pay.

Next, $1900 is too low. Charge him $1900 for the FINE and the FINE ONLY. Think about it. He's getting away pretty easy, and he's already got lots of your content anyway. Throwing in a lifetime membership is absurd.

Just my 2 cents...

Besides that, WELL DONE SIR... :)

And now, more butt shaking.
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So this is why my FYC ratio is bad...:(

Sounds like he got the legal paper...and then "found God" about the subject the same way that criminals in prison do.

He wrote that letter to try and "work" Steve and try to get off light by showing "remorse". Fuck him.

That's a lot of butt shaking....

Actually, he didn't really know what the attorney wanted. All he knew is that we requested his name from his ISP. He confessed to the whole thing and agreed to pay a fine without any prodding from us at all. :1orglaugh

A preemptive move on his part to get a smaller fine in my opinion. I still say fuck him. Guys like him know exactly what they are doing. His bullshit that he didn't realize that he was hurting the porn industry is b.s.

I actually think his feeling like he wasn't hurting the porn industry or doing anything wrong is pretty common. Most people know if they download a copy of a movie that they are doing it illegally, but they don't consider it the same thing when it comes to porn. I have a friend who is a smart guy and does a lot of web design work. We were talking about the case where the producers of The Hurt locker suing people. I was telling him that some porn companies were starting to the do the same thing and he started laughing. He scoffed at the idea of "illegal tubes" or downloading. When I pointed out that porn is no different than a mainstream movie when it comes to copyright protection he thought about it and understood it. But up until then it had never really occurred to him that porn was protected by the same type of copyright. He assumed it was an illicit business so anything goes. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that feel that way.

kane, I'd say that since most bit torrent sites now have "news" sections and forums where they openly laugh at us and brag about how they can't be stopped....would probably preclude this guy from claiming ignorance on the subject. But that's just my opinion.

For sure, when you read any of those bit torrent sites even the news sites the comments are full of people claiming that ever lawsuit makes them pirate more and they are pirates for life and that they operate in a way that makes then undetectable. So I'm sure a lot of heavy users probably have an idea that downloading porn without paying is wrong, but I think there are a decent number of people (probably casual downloaders or guys like my buddy who don't download at all and just go to tube sites) who never thought about it.

But you are right, most of the heavy users know they are doing something wrong and actually revel in it.

that is my take on his posts as well.

will is lame. get a life dude.

You just never know who the subject is. They may have something way more than the fine at stake. Judge? Attorney? Priest? Married Wanker? Who knows...

Judging by his letter it seems he wants you to believe that he seriously thought porn was just free... then when he realized it wasn't he downloaded it anyway?

Since he is BS'ing you, let this backfire on him.

You have an admission from him.

Go for the maximum and use his letter as admission to the crime.

Think of it as a lifetime income source, because if you get a money judgment they'll be docking his paychecks for life.

It's the 2010 version of revshare in adult -- share the surfers income for life.

Fly him in, shoot a PSA with him featuring Jordin eschewing the evils of downloading and how his actions are hurting the industry. Then nail his ass to the wall.

Shit is genius, work in affiliates and you are the new king.

How would affiliates fit in?

Surely most people would declare bankruptcy in a case like that.

I think he means having affiliates and adopting suing pirates as a business model.

It's simple.

People will steal whatever they can until there are consequences. Most people.

If someone could download a new 55 inch Samsung TV directly into their living room, they would do it -- but they can't, so that's why they go to Best Buy. They could try walking out the front door with a giant TV box, but the cops would arrest them, so they pay for it. This shit ain't rocket science, its basic human behavior.

He could be the one uploading the actual video with some sort of tag to prove it's his. Much like the tube content is all "user uploaded".

Then the affiliate get's a cut of anything that comes from in as a result of his "illegal" video being downloaded.

Seems like something you'd already have figured out. :winkwink:

You guys are right, the affiliate brings in the lawsuits in this model.

Probably.

There was a little tongue in cheek in my post.

Legally, I would never admit any wrong doing, contest everything, counter sue and a huge dose of paper work that would overwhelm a team of lawyers.

The dude should be made a sample of for admitting his guilt. Destroy his life, out him as a pervert to the entire community, take out a local newspaper ad detailing his perverted way of life, get the local church involved and keep adding charges.

The reason behind this is simple...if you steal from the porn industry, you will be outed and dragged through Main Street and shamed.

Sounds like either he's tooting your horn and absolutely gives not a fuck or possibly married and does not want any more letters sent to his house as possibly his wife will find out.

I say make him pay the $1900 and then offer a "fuck a porn star" of his pickings that you can pay for out of his $1900.

That will set him on the path of righteousness and likely will pay for porn the rest of his life.

The "i don't donwload non-adult movies" is a bs line. Bittorent users don't have this mindset.

Yea lets shine a bad light on the consumption of porn and out porn consumers as perverts, we'll all be making more money as a result!!

Dumb fuck.

This isn't a "porn consumer" --- this is an outright thief. :2 cents:

The quote was: Are you in favor of referring to people who watch porn legally or illegally as perverts?

The surfers are flooding the torrents with our content already. What else can affiliates do to add value?

People that view porn are not "perverts". If someone buys a porn membership legally, then they deserve total privacy. But when a person shares porn illegally, they should face the consequences of BREAKING THE LAW.

I think a lawyer working on a 50/50 contingency would prefer $800 vs $250 and a written story.

Do you know the upskirt in your avatar is one of my pics from www.churchupskirts.com? I shot it myself.

I don't have a problem with that, but I'm against the idea of outing people as "perverts" out them as pirates, that's cool, but if you start labeling people who watch porn as perverts you're hurting your own business.

Sue him!

Also, congrats on pushing a surfer away from torrents and towards a tube where they can't get in trouble. If they don't know this now they will when it because a big topic of discussion on the internet.

By the way folks, I know you like seeing stuff like this but do you think Steve is doing this for you? Let's say he is 100% successful and everyone pays the extortion, errm fine. Steve gets rich, the surfers hate porn companies more and everyone hits the free tubes instead of the free torrents.

What I mean is, a lot of people are commenting like this helps the adult industry when in truth the only person this could benefit is Steve.

So congrats to the winners. :thumbsup

I don't think this guy will be stealing porn from anyone or anywhere anymore. He obviously thought he was safe on the torrent network. :)

I think we are agreeing here. Wanna fight about it? :)

nothing gets past you does it??

lol why go after people who download outdated porn ?

I have a "pornographic memory". I remember every pic I ever shot.

sounds like you just scared him with a legalese. cowardly thing to do. going after people who don't even own a credit card and telling them to pay a fine is even more retarded. rather most people probably download your entire site rip, fap to some pictures and glad they didn't have to pay for it seeing how shit it already is.

you are ruining your reputation even more by going after innocent people practicing their constitutional freedom. all that is required is a big media news about how porn companies are ruining people's lives and being socially destructive by handing out subpoenas to teenagers.

good going dipshit. you can't even produce good porn anymore so you just sue everyone in sight.

pathetic.

That's some nice progress in surfers' mentality, they didn't have that mindset before. Congrats Steve :thumbsup

And push them harder, the more you get nailed, the merrier.

If its so "outdated", why are they downloading it? Seems your perception might be wrong?

isn't it obvious ? because they can't obtain it otherwise. most cases they don't have the money or in some cases because they think it's not worth paying for.

You are going after the wrong demographic here. Majority of torrent downloaders do not even have credit cards, let alone click ads on the torrent tracker sites.

You are going after people with no money in their pockets and causing grief.

Do you seriously think after this ordeal, people will stop ripping your content ? This is the internet, any digital asset can easily be transferred and distributed. It's waste of resources trying to scare people into not downloading it. In fact, what you are doing probably encourages people to download your content more, leeching it even more out of discontent.

People with balls always post under their real names. Step up and be a man. "Cocainer" makes you sound like a fucking idiot. :2 cents:

So far, we've collected from most of the people we've contacted, and we are about to hit another thousand torrent file-sharers. I don't expect to stop piracy, but I will for sure make people pay for my content one way or another.

man, did you just get the golden ticket, cha ching!

he admitted it, you know the penalty for that? you have his address, do some research, see how much you think he will settle for without bankrupcy

98% of your letter will get you $1900, 2% will get you 100k ;)

No, he thinks it will make him $1,900 from a certain % of those contacted.

ARGH!

I thought the name ChurchUpSkirts was interesting Steve so I thought I'd check it out. All I got though was LOST IN POP-UP AD CONSOLE HELL. Does that really make you money? Geeeze man..

Anyway, good luck with the suit. The letter sounds like a well written plea if you ask me. Don't buy into it. Go get'em.

I definitely partied like it was 1999 for the entire year.