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11-09-2010, 11:42 AM

This is a bit old now (in Internet terms) but it came up in conversation twice today so I thought I'd post it up:

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97% efficient battery that can power the electric audi for 375 miles (600km) on a 6 min charge...

Technology is finally getting to the stage where electric cars will become as useful, if not more, than gasoline cars.

And with the tech behind the all electric being given more and more R&D cash right now as people scramble for patents; we're set for an exciting next 10 years in automobile advancement for electrics.

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11-09-2010, 11:43 AM

that will be great when they travel far and charge fast!
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11-09-2010, 11:48 AM

I see the inventor's future. Somewhere in there is a bullet from big oil in someone's head.
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11-09-2010, 12:01 PM

No domestic electricity supply is going to charge the batteries for an electric car in 6 minutes.

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11-09-2010, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by ottopottomouse

No domestic electricity supply is going to charge the batteries for an electric car in 6 minutes.

Nor could the infrastructure handle a ton of people switching to electric cars. It can barely handle everything right now.
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11-09-2010, 12:14 PM

id hate to see us jump into the hands of nuclear power...what is everyone had solar collectors, and you could dump that power once a day to your car or something

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11-09-2010, 12:18 PM

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11-09-2010, 12:41 PM

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11-09-2010, 12:48 PM

Exxon shell and BP will not allow that to be sold in the US.

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11-09-2010, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by ottopottomouse

No domestic electricity supply is going to charge the batteries for an electric car in 6 minutes.

The factory news releases indicate a 20 min charge time, which is still incredibly fast. No infomation is given however on what kind of charger is used.

A Google tranlsation of the press release is here:

http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publi...ter_6329.shtml
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11-09-2010, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by ottopottomouse

No domestic electricity supply is going to charge the batteries for an electric car in 6 minutes.

So burn the oil in plants instead.

Better to turn it into electricity for a car at a remote area, than burn and exhaust it at 6 inches from the ground in our vehicles where we live and try to breathe. It's still worth it.

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11-09-2010, 12:57 PM

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11-09-2010, 01:31 PM

These kind of good news is good to hear about. Great of them to realize that.

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11-09-2010, 01:34 PM

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So burn the oil in plants instead.

Better to turn it into electricity for a car at a remote area, than burn and exhaust it at 6 inches from the ground in our vehicles where we live and try to breathe. It's still worth it.

Nuclear power... it's safe and relatively clean and waaaaay efficient. The whole stigma behind it is completely unjustified now. The advances that have been made since any accident are astronomical. Not the least of which, spinning a helix of electrons around the fission chamber in order to, essentially, almost guarantee a meltdown never occurs... not including all the other safety measures and whatnot.

Actually Penn and Teller did a great Bullshit episode about Nuclear Power (as well as hybrid cars)... Worth a watch

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11-09-2010, 04:28 PM

This electrical car is sure a breakthrough. It would be cool for the car to use solar power, as well.

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11-09-2010, 04:38 PM

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So burn the oil in plants instead.

Better to turn it into electricity for a car at a remote area, than burn and exhaust it at 6 inches from the ground in our vehicles where we live and try to breathe. It's still worth it.

I looked into converting my car solely to E85 a few years ago to take advantage of how cheap it was and how much higher the octane rating is (I want to say it's like 114 or around there if I remember correctly) but I just couldn't find somewhere close enough that had a pump, and it wasn't feasible to store a bunch of 55gal drums in my garage.

It is a lot cleaner, a lot cheaper, and would have only cost around $1000 bucks to get started and is obviously a lot better for the environment than burning regular fuel.

Only downside is you burn about 1/3 more fuel on average than you would with regular fuel.

I think that would be a nice progression into full electric but I doubt we'll see enough pumps selling straight E85 to make it work.

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11-09-2010, 04:46 PM

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Nor could the infrastructure handle a ton of people switching to electric cars. It can barely handle everything right now.

This is not true.

A 2005 study by the U.S. Department of Energy’s Pacific Northwest National Laboratory estimated that three-quarters of the country’s current small vehicle fleet could be charged by our existing electrical grid without building new power plants.

The typical home is allocated 100-200 amps from the neighborhood’s transformer. An electric car is charged from a 50 amp circuit breaker. This is only 50 amps of the allotted 100-200. And if charged at night, not much other electricity is being used in the house. When charging, the car only draws as many amps as are available. Once plugged into a 50 amp outlet, the car only draws 40 amps (due to the National Electric Code (NEC)). And drawing 40 amps is drawing 40 amps, be it an oven or electric car. A home can’t draw more amps than it is allocated. Utilities are well informed of the maximum amperage of any given home, and the homeowner may not make any changes to the service without appropriate permits and approval by the utility.

Incidentally, the cost to charge an electric car such as the Telsa Roadster is only about $4.00 per 300 Km, vs about $50.00 for a Gasoline engine of the same horsepower.

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11-09-2010, 04:48 PM

I love the idea but charging your car in Cali during the middle of the summer should be great for the rolling blackouts.
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11-09-2010, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by MarkPrince

This is not true.

A 2005 study by the U.S. Department of Energy?s Pacific Northwest National Laboratory estimated that three-quarters of the country?s current small vehicle fleet could be charged by our existing electrical grid without building new power plants.

The typical home is allocated 100-200 amps from the neighborhood?s transformer. An electric car is charged from a 50 amp circuit breaker. This is only 50 amps of the allotted 100-200. And if charged at night, not much other electricity is being used in the house. When charging, the car only draws as many amps as are available. Once plugged into a 50 amp outlet, the car only draws 40 amps (due to the National Electric Code (NEC)). And drawing 40 amps is drawing 40 amps, be it an oven or electric car. A home can?t draw more amps than it is allocated. Utilities are well informed of the maximum amperage of any given home, and the homeowner may not make any changes to the service without appropriate permits and approval by the utility.

Incidentally, the cost to charge an electric car such as the Telsa Roadster is only about $4.00 per 300 Km, vs about $50.00 for a Gasoline engine of the same horsepower.

I call bullshit on this. Cali bans big screen tvs but you think there will be enough electricity for cars?
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11-09-2010, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by fatfoo

This electrical car is sure a breakthrough. It would be cool for the car to use solar power, as well.

Unfortunately solar panels aren't effecient enough. You need more surface area than a car would allow to have it run solely on solar, so it's impractical. Solar panels are better suited for homes with large roofs where electricity can be gathered slowly and stored in batteries.
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11-09-2010, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

I love the idea but charging your car in Cali during the middle of the summer should be great for the rolling blackouts.
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11-09-2010, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Tempest

Nor could the infrastructure handle a ton of people switching to electric cars. It can barely handle everything right now.

That's what the new smart electric meter is to help with. Charge a higher price for power during peek times so people will charge there cars late at night.

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11-09-2010, 04:58 PM

estimate to bring the grid up-to-date is $2 trillion.
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11-09-2010, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

I call bullshit on this. Cali bans big screen tvs but you think there will be enough electricity for cars?

They aren't banning big screen TV's. They are calling for all TV's sold in California to be Engergy Star compliant and be more effecient. Some TV's sich as the LG 47SL80 and Mitsubishi LT-46249 use as much as 187 Watts of power.

"Since the sale of flat-panel televisions began to rocket early in the decade, TV-related power usage has more than tripled to 10 billion kilowatt-hours per year, accounting for nearly 10% of residential electricity consumption", said Commissioner Arthur Rosenfeld, a nuclear physicist and UC Berkeley professor." (See LA Times).

And don't forget, "old" flat screen TV's use alot of power compared to today's more modern LED TV's.
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11-09-2010, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by dyna mo

estimate to bring the grid up-to-date is $2 trillion.

$2 Trillion well spent.
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11-09-2010, 05:17 PM

Might work for you but would seriously cramp my style.
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11-09-2010, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Might work for you but would seriously cramp my style.

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11-09-2010, 07:09 PM

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Don't worry Baddog, Electricity need not cramp your style at all.

Be super-cool with your very own Electric TRON Cycle

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That is not what I was talking about, but that bike is not a touring machine, so not even close to meeting my needs.
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11-09-2010, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Might work for you but would seriously cramp my style.

good for them, but there's a point there are so many car types/companies. nice to be able to choose what you like best.

some like domestic suvs, others prefer german coupes. i would not like an electric car, and i think i can think of many who wouldn't either
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11-09-2010, 07:41 PM

I have a feeling if more and more electric cars started to sell we would see companies building recharge stations (like gas stations) and offering other services that would help make these cars more and more viable for a lot of people.

With all the discounts and government money they are offering right now you can get an electric car for about half off the sticker price.
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11-09-2010, 07:44 PM

... and which country has the most Lithium?
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11-09-2010, 07:56 PM

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That is not what I was talking about, but that bike is not a touring machine, so not even close to meeting my needs.

Well at least bikes are more energy efficient as cars...

But still - I'm done with Gas. I'm selling my 2010 426HP 8CYL Camaro to the first buyer. My next car will be a Tesla. Fuck gas, oil, pollution and noise.
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11-09-2010, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by kane

I have a feeling if more and more electric cars started to sell we would see companies building recharge stations (like gas stations) and offering other services that would help make these cars more and more viable for a lot of people.

With all the discounts and government money they are offering right now you can get an electric car for about half off the sticker price.

Kane :

That's exactly right... there's a huge business opportunity just around the corner...

Check this out:

These are ELECTRIC CAR CHARGING STATIONS and guess where they are appearing at? BEST BUY PARKING LOTS.

Of course gas stations can begin adding these charging stations too, but in reality these chargers can be installed anywhere car drivers gather including store chains like Best Buy.

Read "Electric card charging stations coming to Best Buy" at Digitaltrends.com
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11-09-2010, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by MarkPrince

Well at least bikes are more energy efficient as cars...

But still - I'm done with Gas. I'm selling my 2010 426HP 8CYL Camaro to the first buyer. My next car will be a Tesla. Fuck gas, oil, pollution and noise.

I guess you don't do much travel by car. I do. I go to desolate places where I may be lucky to find gas.
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11-09-2010, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by MarkPrince

But still - I'm done with Gas. I'm selling my 2010 426HP 8CYL Camaro to the first buyer. My next car will be a Tesla. Fuck gas, oil, pollution and noise.

I was just going to say "There's probably a lot of people that would still drive their beefed up Camaros"

I guess you're not one of them.

If I were to buy a classic car. I sure as hell wont replace the engine with a battery.

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11-09-2010, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by MarkPrince

Kane :

That's exactly right... there's a huge business opportunity just around the corner...

Check this out:

These are ELECTRIC CAR CHARGING STATIONS and guess where they are appearing at? BEST BUY PARKING LOTS.

Of course gas stations can begin adding these charging stations too, but in reality these chargers can be installed anywhere car drivers gather including store chains like Best Buy.

Read "Electric card charging stations coming to Best Buy" at Digitaltrends.com

Those rock. You could plug your car in while shopping or whatever. I think eventually we will get to the place where most electric cars can get a full charge in about 5 minutes (with the correct charger) and we will have things just like gas stations. You pull in, plug your car in and while it fills you can buy something to drink, a snack, some cigs whatever.

I know it takes about 5 minutes to fill a big gas tank now so it won't be much different.

I think we are finally in a place where something like this can be viable and finally embraced by the masses.
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11-09-2010, 09:22 PM

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Nuclear power... it's safe and relatively clean and waaaaay efficient. The whole stigma behind it is completely unjustified now. The advances that have been made since any accident are astronomical. Not the least of which, spinning a helix of electrons around the fission chamber in order to, essentially, almost guarantee a meltdown never occurs... not including all the other safety measures and whatnot.

Actually Penn and Teller did a great Bullshit episode about Nuclear Power (as well as hybrid cars)... Worth a watch

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11-09-2010, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by Jon Oso

I looked into converting my car solely to E85 a few years ago to take advantage of how cheap it was and how much higher the octane rating is (I want to say it's like 114 or around there if I remember correctly) but I just couldn't find somewhere close enough that had a pump, and it wasn't feasible to store a bunch of 55gal drums in my garage.

It is a lot cleaner, a lot cheaper, and would have only cost around $1000 bucks to get started and is obviously a lot better for the environment than burning regular fuel.

Only downside is you burn about 1/3 more fuel on average than you would with regular fuel.

I think that would be a nice progression into full electric but I doubt we'll see enough pumps selling straight E85 to make it work.

Mate of mine was running his hornet (AMC) on e85 and had so many problems with keeping enough fuel up to it, keeping it cool etc so he went to methanol no more problems.

I'm hoping enough people use the elec cars so I can still use cars that make the sound cars are meant to make.

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11-09-2010, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by kane

Those rock. You could plug your car in while shopping or whatever. I think eventually we will get to the place where most electric cars can get a full charge in about 5 minutes (with the correct charger) and we will have things just like gas stations. You pull in, plug your car in and while it fills you can buy something to drink, a snack, some cigs whatever.

I know it takes about 5 minutes to fill a big gas tank now so it won't be much different.

I think we are finally in a place where something like this can be viable and finally embraced by the masses.

So many opportunities. You could charge your car while driving through the car wash. Just have a guy plug it in, and they could easily build a tension release. Your parking lot at work and at the stores will resemble the old drive in theaters

It won't be more than 10 years until we have wireless power distribution, either.

Batteries are the least advanced of all the tech we currently use. They really haven't changed much over the years, until very recently. Expect to see some radical power storage devices coming to market in the next 5 years.
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11-10-2010, 12:01 AM

My new truck gets about 13.5mpg and its so awesome that I think I'll just hang on to it.

When you buy a $52k 4x4 truck you dont worry about the gas mileage. And I work from home so I dont really use any more fuel than most people driving to work in their hybrid vehicles anyway.
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11-10-2010, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by MarkPrince

Well at least bikes are more energy efficient as cars...

But still - I'm done with Gas. I'm selling my 2010 426HP 8CYL Camaro to the first buyer. My next car will be a Tesla. Fuck gas, oil, pollution and noise.

Yeah. Because everybody knows electricity production is completely pollution free and doesn't rely on oil at all

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11-10-2010, 02:09 AM

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11-10-2010, 04:46 AM

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I see the inventor's future. Somewhere in there is a bullet from big oil in someone's head.

This scenario is far more possible than most people realize ....

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