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Old 10-19-2010, 12:52 PM   #1
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Obama CUT taxes

In a troubling sign for Democrats as they head into the midterm elections, their signature tax cut of the past two years, which decreased income taxes by up to $400 a year for individuals and $800 for married couples, has gone largely unnoticed.

In a New York Times/CBS News Poll last month, fewer than one in 10 respondents knew that the Obama administration had lowered taxes for most Americans. Half of those polled said they thought that their taxes had stayed the same, a third thought that their taxes had gone up, and about a tenth said they did not know. As Thom Tillis, a Republican state representative, put it as the dinner wound down here, ?This was the tax cut that fell in the woods ? nobody heard it.?


See REPUBLICANS admit Obama cut taxes. They just state otherwise in political ads.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us...s/19taxes.html
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yeah, thats it. obama the tax cutter.
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That tax cut is nothing in comparison to what he's not renewing...
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People are paying less overall in taxes, but then they're not working either
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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As rhetoric, the dems invoking tax cuts is a losing strategy.

Democrats, unlike republicans, believe that government services and adventures like wars SHOULD be paid for, which means paying your taxes, and since the bill has become so large since Reagan, we are obligated to pay even more taxes than we do now, to pay our debts as a nation.

Republicans believe in borrowing money for wars and bailouts and stimulus, then keeping taxes low so that the ultimate debt grows even larger and is eventually paid by future generations, but not by them.

If the teapublicans win a functional majority, what they will do is increase spending while deferring taxes, which they've done in every past administration - thus increasing the overall debt.

Again, as they have done in every past administration in our lifetimes.

Deferred taxation is INCREASED taxation.

So, it's a waste of time for dems to claim tax cuts, because it doesn't motivate anyone to vote dem. At best, it appeals to centrists who are unable to do basic financial math.
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So, we pay thousands more for products and services each year due to additional taxes to get a $400 tax break? It went unnoticed in a survey because it was unnoticed in reality.
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So, we pay thousands more for products and services each year due to additional taxes to get a $400 tax break? It went unnoticed in a survey because it was unnoticed in reality.
you're a dipshit. if you STATE raised your taxes that's your STATE'S fault not Obama or the US Congress. I find it funny how states run by REPUBLICANS can raise taxes and fees and somehow blame Obama and Dems in Congress.

When I can start giving rep again I'll make sure I neg rep your dumb ass.
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you're a dipshit. if you STATE raised your taxes that's your STATE'S fault not Obama or the US Congress. I find it funny how states run by REPUBLICANS can raise taxes and fees and somehow blame Obama and Dems in Congress.

When I can start giving rep again I'll make sure I neg rep your dumb ass.
It's funny when you call someone else a dip shit and post bull shit like that
here's a list of the states that raised taxes this year, you'll find most are democratic states
California
Oregon
Nevada
Utah
Colorado
South Dakota
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Kentucky
Arkansas
Tennessee
Georgia
Mississippi
Florida
Pennsylvania
North Carolina
Delaware
New York
Rhode Island
Maine
New Hampshire
Connecticut
New Jersey

California being the biggest in term of population and economy is a very liberal state and is suffering because of it, look at the red states and you'll find they are doing pretty well in comparison
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It's funny when you call someone else a dip shit and post bull shit like that
here's a list of the states that raised taxes this year, you'll find most are democratic states
California
Oregon
Nevada
Utah
Colorado
South Dakota
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Kentucky
Arkansas
Tennessee
Georgia
Mississippi
Florida
Pennsylvania
North Carolina
Delaware
New York
Rhode Island
Maine
New Hampshire
Connecticut
New Jersey

California being the biggest in term of population and economy is a very liberal state and is suffering because of it, look at the red states and you'll find they are doing pretty well in comparison
wow, i never knew arnold was a democrat...

i guess you learn something new every day...

so, you blame obama for the failures of the US, but then blame dems for the failure of california?

you should be working at a health club running their spin class program...

btw, ca has been fucked for a long time for a lot of different reasons and both parties are responsible as well as the fed for letting the immigrants pour into that state for decades...

but listen, you are going to get your wish in nov and then you are going to really get to see what a clusterfuck looks like.

good thing i am not a jockey because i am going to beat this dead horse yet again...

until there is a complete overhaul of the govt, there will be no change..

after nov and the changing of the guard, expect hyper inflation and a rise in unemployment in 2011....

the downward spiral we are on can not be stopped...





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Old 10-19-2010, 04:18 PM   #11
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wow, i never knew arnold was a democrat...

i guess you learn something new every day...

so, you blame obama for the failures of the US, but then blame dems for the failure of california?

you should be working at a health club running their spin class program...

btw, ca has been fucked for a long time for a lot of different reasons and both parties are responsible as well as the fed for letting the immigrants pour into that state for decades...

but listen, you are going to get your wish in nov and then you are going to really get to see what a clusterfuck looks like.

good thing i am not a jockey because i am going to beat this dead horse yet again...

until there is a complete overhaul of the govt, there will be no change..

after nov and the changing of the guard, expect hyper inflation and a rise in unemployment in 2011....

the downward spiral we are on can not be stopped...





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California is a democratic state, Arnold is just the governator

The California State Senate is the upper house of the California State Legislature. It is made up of 40 state senators and meets in Sacramento. Members of the Democratic Party are currently in the majority in the California Senate.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:21 PM   #12
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People are paying less overall in taxes, but then they're not working either
Okay, that was seriously funny!

(and true!)
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Too little too late for Obama and his crew. In 2 weeks he becomes a lameduck.
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ok good then we agree...

when the republicans take over the house and senate then it will no longer be obamas fault when shit goes sideways..

i just want to make sure i understand your position before the shift change occurs...




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ok good then we agree...

when the republicans take over the house and senate then it will no longer be obamas fault when shit goes sideways..

i just want to make sure i understand your position before the shift change occurs...




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Are we talking state or federal?
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Are we talking state or federal?
it makes shit of a difference..

now you are playing games...

you can excuse arnold for the problems of california because the democraps are in control of the senate, but then you try to change the rules as it applies to the federal level..

make up your mind....

in one breath you say that the party rules over the leader and then in your second breath you act like that only applies to the state level...

pick a side and stick with it you oversized bagel....







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ps.. i cant wait till november...

i think i am going to win you over eventually and instead of actually pretending to think that govt is fucked as a whole, you will start to actually believe it...





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wow, i never knew arnold was a democrat...

i guess you learn something new every day...

so, you blame obama for the failures of the US, but then blame dems for the failure of california?

you should be working at a health club running their spin class program...

btw, ca has been fucked for a long time for a lot of different reasons and both parties are responsible as well as the fed for letting the immigrants pour into that state for decades...

but listen, you are going to get your wish in nov and then you are going to really get to see what a clusterfuck looks like.

good thing i am not a jockey because i am going to beat this dead horse yet again...

until there is a complete overhaul of the govt, there will be no change..

after nov and the changing of the guard, expect hyper inflation and a rise in unemployment in 2011....

the downward spiral we are on can not be stopped...





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this makes sense...
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I am totally fucking stunned that there are still obama fanboys out there
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i think this is the disconnect...

imho its not being an obama fanboy to point out that the other side is not going to be a fruitful as people think...

we will see in november, but i believe that the US is on an uncontrollable free fall and only the complete eradication of govt is going to solve the problem(s)....





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A person sure would like to pay less taxes, unless he/she wants to pay more taxes for some reason. It does make sense to put higher taxes on the richer.
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In a troubling sign for Democrats as they head into the midterm elections, their signature tax cut of the past two years, which decreased income taxes by up to $400 a year for individuals and $800 for married couples, has gone largely unnoticed.

In a New York Times/CBS News Poll last month, fewer than one in 10 respondents knew that the Obama administration had lowered taxes for most Americans. Half of those polled said they thought that their taxes had stayed the same, a third thought that their taxes had gone up, and about a tenth said they did not know. As Thom Tillis, a Republican state representative, put it as the dinner wound down here, ?This was the tax cut that fell in the woods ? nobody heard it.?


See REPUBLICANS admit Obama cut taxes. They just state otherwise in political ads.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us...s/19taxes.html
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i think this is the disconnect...

imho its not being an obama fanboy to point out that the other side is not going to be a fruitful as people think...

we will see in november, but i believe that the US is on an uncontrollable free fall and only the complete eradication of govt is going to solve the problem(s)....

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Can't anyone just agree that professional politicians are bad for us?

Democrat, republican...it doesn't matter.

These people failed in "regular" society; they made nothing of themselves other than politicians...and now they're millionaires?

Screw all the crooks in every local, county, state, and federal government. All they want is more...no matter who the hell they are.
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i think this is the disconnect...

imho its not being an obama fanboy to point out that the other side is not going to be a fruitful as people think...

we will see in november, but i believe that the US is on an uncontrollable free fall and only the complete eradication of govt is going to solve the problem(s)....





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Oh totally bro, the complete eradication of government is going to solve our problems! You're not one of those moronic anarchists are you? I suppose you feel we should give more power to the "Regular" people, forgetting the fact that most people have a below average IQ, as the majority of this forum has shown.
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Can't anyone just agree that professional politicians are bad for us?

Democrat, republican...it doesn't matter.

These people failed in "regular" society; they made nothing of themselves other than politicians...and now they're millionaires?

Screw all the crooks in every local, county, state, and federal government. All they want is more...no matter who the hell they are.
"Failed" in regular society? ROFL talk about rationalization. While they ARE crooks, these were the best and brightest, went to Ivy League, and were millionaires before they became politicians. I have NO idea what planet you're from.
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Oh totally bro, the complete eradication of government is going to solve our problems! You're not one of those moronic anarchists are you? I suppose you feel we should give more power to the "Regular" people, forgetting the fact that most people have a below average IQ, as the majority of this forum has shown.
no, my point is that the political machine is broken...

we have a system that caters to corporations that could give two shits about the people..

i believe that regardless of a persons intelligence level, collectively they can make a society better..

i dont know why i argue this point, maybe its the core beliefs that my hippy parents taught me that you should always fight for the people that cant fight for themselves and that fight doesnt have to be fought with weapons or soldiers....

the other side of me doesnt care because i have always been in the upper tier of earners, so in the end none of this is going to impact my lifestyle personally...

for the time being, i choose to embrace the belief that as human beings we can show compassion to our fellow man and help make the world a better place for those that dont have the intelligence or strength to fight for what is right...







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no, my point is that the political machine is broken...

we have a system that caters to corporations that could give two shits about the people..

i believe that regardless of a persons intelligence level, collectively they can make a society better..

i dont know why i argue this point, maybe its the core beliefs that my hippy parents taught me that you should always fight for the people that cant fight for themselves and that fight doesnt have to be fought with weapons or soldiers....
Hippies were nothing but lazy stoners who didn't want to do anything so they fought against the "establishment". Almost every single ex-hippie you see on TV admits that he was stoned out of his mind and it was just the cool thing to do. And your ideology is oversimplified. How can we as a society collectively make the world better when 9 out of 10 people are morons?

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for the time being, i choose to embrace the belief that as human beings we can show compassion to our fellow man and help make the world a better place for those that dont have the intelligence or strength to fight for what is right...
What the hell does this impassioned plea have to do with anything?
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Inflation and the economic depreciation of your assets are hidden taxes ? they discourage capital formation and meaningful investment.
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