One way to increase sign ups and retention.

This thread is filled with awesome ideas, I swear if I had the capital to go with a few of these ideas...

#1 is the type of site I have been looking for for my own enjoyment for ages, you can be sure a ton of people would love it.

I also wish more Western productions would copy the Japanese ideas -- they have a lot of awesome stuff coming out all the time, but unfortunately with mosaic. Also I would like to see some of the scenarious played out with white or black models. (Massive orgies, crazy messy slime covered gangbangs, etc.) I wish someone would make a site with white girls where they kiss the guy in the same disgusting way Japanese kiss -- so sloppy and so much tongue -- that is hot.

Paul, this is happening every day in Porn Valley. We've done one ourselves a few times, with Sunny Lane, and Sabrina Deep.

While on one hand I agree that everyone just copies whatever is selling at the time (but how many ways can you really fuck someone on video?), on the other hand making something "better" or trying to find a new way to fuck someone is not going to bring in sales.

It is a different time now, look at the traffic the big tubes have for example. Their quality is SHIT, but they have all the traffic. Why? 1) It's free. 2) Because you don't really need amazing quality to rub one off. Their sheer traffic numbers do not lie and none of us can say their stats don't count. People just don't care like they used to. That plus, "produced" porn sucks, no matter how "good" it may look sitting next to a bunch of other shitty porn. Hence the popularity of true amateur sites, wife sites, GF sites and so on. Though, the bigger companies have murdered many of those niches as well with fake shit, but at the end of the day it doesn't even matter to a guy with his cock in his hand.

Shit, I can beat off to 95% of the TOURS out there. Then add all the free porn on top of that? Yea, I have some pay sites but I have no fucking idea why people still join them other than the fact that what I shoot thankfully most companies can't get their hands on, or at least if they do they ruin it with sites that are not authentic. But even then, while I do my best to get my videos off the free sites and file sharing, all of my competitors remain. Why join my site when you can get the same thing for free?

Honestly, this whole "give as much porn away for free" thing was the dumbest thing the industry has ever done in a long history of doing dumb things. The only thing dumber than that, was trying to compete with that business model and copying them! Well, look at us now.

To ice the shit cake, torrents and tubes dominate almost every keyword on Google. Some keywords you have to go 3 or 4 pages deep just to get to a non-pirate site. How to compete with that? It's not about the surfers attention because we're losing many of them before they even start surfing. As if that's not bad enough, webmasters are RUNNING to compete with the same business model that is destroying everything. Simply amazing.

Pandora's box has been opened and there is no closing it. The industry will continue to incestuously molest itself until there is nothing left but a few major players who own it all. You can see it in play already, it is now just a matter of how long will it take for everyone else to close up shop. Just imagine 2 - 3 more years of this craziness and where we'll be. DMCA MUST be changed (and fast) or it's curtains for many of us.

I agree with your points 100% - although my own experiences with paysites and tubes is quite differant. Excellent points tho - giving away everything for free is totally insane. What's left to actually SELL, then?

Paul: Too much fucking work man, too much fucking work. Most people in this biz can barely function yet we're supposed to do ALL THAT just to keep members? Bah.

If you are able to convert them, and I know some people can, mad props to you. The small amount of sales (or traffic) I've seen from tubes is not something that I would consider productive or worth the devaluation of my content.

In my cause, take "Asian creampies" for example, there is just a glut of this stuff out there for free already. Even if I can control what I put out there of my own content, I can not curb the insane amount of videos from someone else doing the same thing and already given it all away for free (or stolen). One Asian girl getting creampied is usually just as good as another, or maybe better if it's free. I can see it working well for solo girls, but for people having sex, free is free and one girl is usually as good as another. And if by chance you don't find what you are looking for on one site, it just takes a few clicks to go somewhere else and search their free videos. It's hard to compete with that.

Having said that, people still join my sites and rebill. It's just not anywhere near what it used to be. My issue isn't so much what is happening today with my sales, as I have a low overhead and don't need tons of sales to profit. Its more so what is going to happen to us all in 2 or 3 more years if this "everything free" method continues. I'd rather not shoot content and run my sites just for them to be a loss leader so I can make a paltry fee on a webcam, dating or penis pill up-sell. I'd hang it up before that happens.

BTW... I'm in love with Sexxy Brandon.

Porn webmasters... god. In general, I just think most webmasters have a knack for completely piss poor analogies. If one girl was as good as any other, why on EARTH is it even possible for solo girl sites to stay in business? If rubbing one off to any crap quality tube video is 'good as any other', ... why on earth are mainstream BlueRay seeing decent growth when DVD was already plenty good?

The point is some people get addicted to a certain girl, and sign up for her solo site. I would like to see you guys' shit ass analysis of cable TV and how it would put Hollywood out of business -- after all: I can watch TV 24/7 for free and have 100 choices, surely that is better than getting to see a 2 hour movie in marginally better quality for $7.50 admission?

There are some shitty things going on. But it doesn't mean that the human desire for novelty will ever disappear. I see movies at the theater because they are brand spanking new and there is something exciting about that. Every once in a while, against my better moral judgement, I surf a tube site and download a bunch of flv's with Orbit downloader. A lot of them get deleted. Some of them have a girl that is so charming though -- that I literally DELETE the file after 2-3 minutes and promise myself to signup for the site because I don't want to spoil my enjoyment of the particular girl in shit ass quality when I could enjoy her in HD.

Interesting read Paul, but we have been doing both of these, running camshows, shooting the film live to our members & running parties, live on cam & filmed for the past few years now.

Personally, we could do with a few whale affiliates take on GspotCash & make some serious money with the know how of webmaster sales using our content & knowing we do live shows of our parties & film footage. Then I could increase sales

Of course there is a market for some solo girls sites. But GENERALLY speaking, one porn whore fucked on a couch, bed or in the back of a car is as good as another. The traffic these sites have support that. Until you can match any of the top tubes with traffic that says otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass.

And in case you didn't notice guys are masturbating when watching porn, unlike Hollywood movies. You can't compare the two. One is an experience that cost millions of dollars to make, amazing surround sound, extra features and well made. While the other is simply so you can bust a nut to, usually shot by someone who doesn't know how to white balance a camera, for under $2000. Enormous difference, in case you didn't notice.


Sure, but that is a theater. I LOVE going to the theater too, but I don't see how that relates to guys just wanting to beat off. You can't get the theater experience for free in your home. It can not be replicated without actually building a theater. You can however, get all the porn you could ever want and more with just a few clicks.


Sure you do.

Surfs up!

But to debate your nonsense... just about every solo girl site I've seen has FULL SITE RIPS with FULL QUALITY VIDEOS, for FREE. It can be found within a few clicks on Google. So why pay for it?

Paul -- I see one common theme with your 2 ideas....

Giving customers the impression that these are people outside of the 'online adult industry' that are being caught on a sort of candid cam (Fresh faces, amateur, whatever you want to call it).

OR

Allowing people to "visit" places virtually that they only dream they could in real life. I.e. a brothel in a foreign country.

Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.

Good read Paul, lets talk on icq 30146166

Haha! Me too, tho she gives me headaches (Brandon, I mean).

You're absolutely right when it comes to trying to sell something that is just like everything else out there for free. Although I believe I can spin gold out of any old shit (insert jokes here) so i would do something crazy like 'Escaped Ninja Creampie Warriors!" and design it all G4TV-style. LOL But it's a rough game, and you gotta be super-creative, and you gotta give a shit. Cause so much of it is hit or miss these days.

Yeah, where we gonna be in 2-3 years? Fuck man, my goal is to burn it up so, by then, I'm out. Or rich. Or both.

Which is sad when you think it's about the only thing the buyer cares about, the only thing that puts bread on your table and the key to conversions.

If a site it converting at 1-100. 99 are saying no after landing on the tour. If you think 10 people have to look at the samples the affiliate has. That's 990 saying no or not being motivated enough to even look at the tour or get their CC out. Other reasons besides content, but content is one of the main reasons.

As I demonstrated some people have the budget to do it. They still go down the road of adding too much of what they already have in the belief more of the EXACT same makse people want to buy more.

Finding the thing that tickles the buyers fancy enough to buy is the key to selling. What ever you're selling, except baked bean type product. Some people in porn think on the baked beans level. Stack the shelves with the same stuff and some will buy. Today less and less buy.

Yes some DVD production houses still have the budgets and employ the people who can produce innovative and good content. As much as some flame them, they still have the money to spend.

So, change the tour?

A/B split test your tour, change some variables*, work out which is converting better, rinse and repeat.

They won't know how stella your content is, how often you update, or how great your camshow/live porn shoot/ other unoriginal trick is if they don't get past your tour.

http://www.google.com/websiteoptimizer/features.html

This has even prompted me to write a quick "how to split test stuff" post over at www.adultmarketing.co.uk




*pictures, video clips, colours, fonts, layouts, copy, buttons, calls to action, offers, etc

Agreed some sites could do with a change in design. But no matter how good the design is, how great the text is, often the content offered lets it down. The same canned porn scenes seen a 1,000 times before, a single theme done over and over again. The same way, same location, same shooting. How often does a surfer hit a site and think to himself "Why would I want to see a months supply of this?"

So how good is 3wayscash?

Got to be honest and say whoever is shooting http://www.lollybadcockxxx.com/videos has a clue. Great content, great girl, great shooter, loads of updates makes me think lots more inside. Good stuff. But a tour 800 px wide?????

Then http://www.cherrysdirtbox.com/home left me thinking nothing worth buying here.

The difference is the content on the tour. Design will never cover up bad content.

You miss my point.

Design is never, ever 'finished'. Some sites don't *need* a change in design. They ALL, without exception, would make more money by split testing tours and changing variables from the knowledge gained from the tests on a monthly basis. Even Gary and DVTimes can understand that.