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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942

    #1

    One way to increase sign ups and retention.

    Here's a way for a few to increase sign ups and retention. It won't work for everyone. Only for those with the skill and resources to make it happen.

    So here's a couple of ideas to make members sit up and take notice. They will fit most niches and can be adapted. Both can be adapted over and over again. They are not meant to have a complete site dedicated to them as that again will get repetitive.

    1) Live porn shoots on webcam. The shoot as any porn producer won't be what happens for real. That's far too boring. LOL They will be what the buyers imagine goes down on a porn shoot. Can be solo, girl/girl or boy/girl. The shoot starts off as normal then the performers forget about the camera and shooter, unless deliberately teasing him or trying to involve him, and get on with really fucking themselves or each other.

    A camera will be the shooters and he or she will move around to catch the action. Then an extra option is 1 or 2 cameras can be fixed and give the viewer the option of choosing the view or have an editor choosing which camera to view as the action changes.

    There can be live chat instructing the models. There can be the possibility of members coming to the studio to watch or even participate. They can be real or stand ins. These are options.

    The main thing is the fucking has to be real, not the canned porn action most models churn out.

    2) There are legal brothels in CZ and Germany for sure. Many would be happy for a production crew to visit and shoot a porn style documentary of them to generate publicity. The difference between this and Big Sister is using pro actors as ordinary customers or as part of the visiting crew. Big Sister suffers IMO because it uses boring models who don't really put on a great show.

    It doesn't have to be just boy/girl. Can have scenes of a floor show with a girl doing a vibrator strip and masturbate. A two girl show. ETC.

    The action can be 2 guys or a couple going to a brothel.

    Again real action, real lead up to the action with guys chatting to girls. Details of where the club is, how to get there and anything else people can imagine.

    The draw of both is one of the fundamental attractions of porn. "This would happen to you, if you were there."

    Can anyone else think of ideas that aren't done to death?



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  • SGS
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2002
    • 5176

    #2
    We have done a few “behind the scenes” and a couple of real photo shoot videos which do ok but the big thing that works for us is the “real” handjob videos. We only use 100% amateur site members for this now and since the spring we have stopped using all pro guys altogether. Shoots are about 10,000% better and members interest is about 10,000% better as well.

    We even shot a “handjob audition” video a few months back with a few members all waiting their turn while Cate Harrington gave them all a handjob in turn and it was VERY popular.

    We are looking at inviting a few members along to a few shoots at some point. There has been a lot of interest in this but we have been busy with other things here.
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    • Nicky
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      • Mar 2003
      • 30071

      #3
      Here's one. Actually provide a good product. Something many fail at lol

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      • tabasco
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2006
        • 2624

        #4
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        • SGS
          Confirmed User
          • Dec 2002
          • 5176

          #5
          Originally posted by Nicky
          Here's one. Actually provide a good product. Something many fail at lol
          Only 1 site in a 1000 has actually done that over the years but that ratio is coming down quickly now as more and more crap fails every day.
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          • seeandsee
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            • Mar 2006
            • 50945

            #6
            Nice ideas, behind scene shots are probably very interesting
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            • Paul Markham
              Too old to care
              • Jun 2001
              • 52942

              #7
              The problem is funding the shoots.

              A live scene wouldn't be that expensive if you have a location where you can set up the web cams. Models $250 each for a half day, don't try to get them to do 2-3 scenes. They will have to fake it to last that long. One good hour long or more scene will suffice. You can shoot behind the scenes content as well.

              Setting it up would be varied and an expert can post the costs. And get spread over two years.

              Location depends where you are. Czech could be $1,000 a month to $4,000 depending on size. $34 to $133 a day.

              So, solo girl $250, Girl/Girl $500 and Boy/Girl probably the same. Treble models costs and you have a good indication of the over all costs.

              One site who posts here regularly adds 5 new scenes a day. Exactly the same as the 1,000s it already has. I estimate each scene costs $250 each. So they spend $1,250 a day to update with more of the same. I'm sure there are others doing the same.

              Or there's the possibility of sharing the content. If only members area content were saturated today. LOL.

              AND, live content is tough to steal.



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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942

                #8
                Originally posted by SGS
                We have done a few ?behind the scenes? and a couple of real photo shoot videos which do ok but the big thing that works for us is the ?real? handjob videos. We only use 100% amateur site members for this now and since the spring we have stopped using all pro guys altogether. Shoots are about 10,000% better and members interest is about 10,000% better as well.

                We even shot a ?handjob audition? video a few months back with a few members all waiting their turn while Cate Harrington gave them all a handjob in turn and it was VERY popular.

                We are looking at inviting a few members along to a few shoots at some point. There has been a lot of interest in this but we have been busy with other things here.
                My experience of casting or shooting 95% of new guys is they fail to get a hard on or cum to soon as soon as a camera is pointed at them.

                Having them in the back ground for the shoots is fine. Expecting them to fuck or even get an erection on a shoot is risky.



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                • Paul Markham
                  Too old to care
                  • Jun 2001
                  • 52942

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nicky
                  Here's one. Actually provide a good product. Something many fail at lol
                  I've been singing that song for a decade now. And flamed for a decade. But you're dead right.

                  The problem is getting the budget, skills and models.

                  A decent magazine solo girl set would make $3,000 with two sales and we still own the copyright, so second rights, EU, Internet are still there to add yet more money. Most Internet sites want to pay $1500 for 5 scenes, set and video = $300 a scene.

                  It made more than that with content store sales. LOL

                  Same applies to Girl/Girl and Boy/Girl.

                  I doubt if Twistys pay $1,000 a solo girl scene for their site.

                  The Adult Internet simply won't pay enough to produce decent content. Good shooters don't work for peanuts. Good shooters can't be good on tight budgets and pushed to churn out content.

                  So people have convinced themselves anyone with a digital camera can shoot porn. And the result is cloned scenes with none to little inspiration.



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                  • SGS
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 5176

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                    My experience of casting or shooting 95% of new guys is they fail to get a hard on or cum to soon as soon as a camera is pointed at them.

                    Having them in the back ground for the shoots is fine. Expecting them to fuck or even get an erection on a shoot is risky.
                    Never ever had a problem with an amateur guy. Had more "wood" problems with the pro guys now and very poor cum shots from pro guys too.
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                    • Paul Markham
                      Too old to care
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 52942

                      #11
                      Originally posted by tabasco
                      Are magic join links not converting in 2010?
                      Thank you for your wonderful insight into this subject.



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                      • Rankings
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 10633

                        #12
                        i have a client that is highly ranked for Behind The Scenes Porn , seems to do great for him
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                        • Paul Markham
                          Too old to care
                          • Jun 2001
                          • 52942

                          #13
                          Originally posted by 2bet
                          i have a client that is highly ranked for Behind The Scenes Porn , seems to do great for him
                          It all adds to show the girls as real people rather than plastic dolls. I never shot a lot of it because video was never a big earner for us. Non Exclusive never sold that well, if it had I would of been a lot more adventurous.

                          Would it of sold any better?



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                          • Paul Markham
                            Too old to care
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 52942

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SGS
                            Only 1 site in a 1000 has actually done that over the years but that ratio is coming down quickly now as more and more crap fails every day.
                            Sadly some rated content as a low priority. And now we have a sea of sites all copying each other.

                            For instance girls fucked in the back of a van how many sites with how many scenes copied that idea?

                            Same goes for so many scenarios. The only way to get the surfers attention today and his money, is to do it a little different and better.
                            Last edited by Paul Markham; 10-18-2010, 12:55 PM.



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                            • 2intense
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                              • Dec 2009
                              • 12493

                              #15
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