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JenC · 10-13-2010, 03:03 AM

Why didn't anyone tell me how fucking easy it is to make money in mainstream?? It's literally 50X easier to make money in mainstream than it is in adult. And I make a pretty good living in adult. I made my first mainstream sale within about 8 hours of registering my domain and building a 5 minute wordpress site.

Wonder why this is? No one gives away free VALUABLE stuff in mainstream. They'll give away free ebooks and shit that are stupid common sense tips, but they keep the valuable stuff under lock and key. Unlike the retards in adult (aka tube sites, TGPs and link lists) that have ruined the entire business. Good luck to everyone in your future endeavors....you're gonna need it.

DamianJ · 10-13-2010, 03:07 AM

So we won't be seeing you here any longer?

That is a massive shame.

Jarmusch · 10-13-2010, 03:15 AM

Those 'valuable' ebooks can't be found on torrent sites and rapidshare?

Sarah_Jayne · 10-13-2010, 03:47 AM

Perhaps because when somebody knows where to find easier money it is a good idea not to scream about it?

10-13-2010, 04:13 AM

good too hear your making some decent $$$!

zeuse · 10-13-2010, 04:25 AM

Goodbye.

RadicalSights · 10-13-2010, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JenC

Why didn't anyone tell me how fucking easy it is to make money in mainstream?? It's literally 50X easier to make money in mainstream than it is in adult. And I make a pretty good living in adult. I made my first mainstream sale within about 8 hours of registering my domain and building a 5 minute wordpress site.

Wonder why this is? No one gives away free VALUABLE stuff in mainstream.

You just figured this out now?

Of coure it's easier to make $ in mainstream. It always was and always will be. Now even moreso than ever now that Adult is just a big fat broke dying joke industry.

Most people left in adult are broke now and expect everything for free because they can't make any $ anymore in Adult.

CamTraffic · 10-13-2010, 04:33 AM

welcome to 2004

lucPL · 10-13-2010, 04:33 AM

but wait, mainstream like clickbank or viagra pills

anexsia · 10-13-2010, 04:43 AM

...it took you this long to figure that out? I've only been in the adult industry for 4 months and I've figured out that it's a shadow of it's former self and money is easier in mainstream. However, I like working in adult.

seeandsee · 10-13-2010, 04:57 AM

fucking tubes ruined tgps

Konkan · 10-13-2010, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JenC

Why didn't anyone tell me how fucking easy it is to make money in mainstream?? It's literally 50X easier to make money in mainstream than it is in adult. And I make a pretty good living in adult. I made my first mainstream sale within about 8 hours of registering my domain and building a 5 minute wordpress site.

Wonder why this is? No one gives away free VALUABLE stuff in mainstream. They'll give away free ebooks and shit that are stupid common sense tips, but they keep the valuable stuff under lock and key. Unlike the retards in adult (aka tube sites, TGPs and link lists) that have ruined the entire business. Good luck to everyone in your future endeavors....you're gonna need it.

which sponsors are you using for your sites?

fatfoo · 10-13-2010, 07:06 AM

It's not 50 times easier. That's an exaggeration. Good luck, JenC.

Domain Broker · 10-13-2010, 07:10 AM

Where in NE are you? Maybe I'll hit it and quit it sometime

Cyber Fucker · 10-13-2010, 07:35 AM

Ah... probably inducement for the start. Good luck with more anyway!

gleem · 10-13-2010, 08:01 AM

I would gladly trade some porn knowledge for some mainstream knowledge. First mainstream question I would have is wtf do you sell with what site, and where do you go about getting trades and stuff?

side note, if you have a mainstream site that makes money, I'm buying

dyna mo · 10-13-2010, 08:03 AM

op makes one sale and comes here to rub it in everyone's face, sounds like a nice gal!

chronig · 10-13-2010, 08:18 AM

One sale doesn't mean shit

lagcam · 10-13-2010, 08:19 AM

After copious amounts of research I can reveal that the key to making money in mainstream appears to be something to do with being nearly as tall as a building (or maybe standing in front of a lego building).

http://www.mainstream.com

Good luck everybody, see you there.

96ukssob · 10-13-2010, 09:14 AM

congrats on one sale... try to make it 10.

mainstream is easier than adult, but by no means as fun. most mainstream people ive met are sleezebags and will steal any idea right from under you

Brujah · 10-13-2010, 09:19 AM

Don't be too hard on JenC. Everyone finds their way into making a little "mainstream" money eventually. Of course, mainstream dwarfs the adult industry by definition so there's something wrong if there isn't any money to made. I remember Rick Schwartz on Ynot always talking about making money in mainstream in 1999, so she's only about 12 years late but still plenty of opportunity.

michael.kickass · 10-13-2010, 11:05 AM

Good luck with your mainstream sites then.

JenC · 10-13-2010, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chronig

One sale doesn't mean shit

5 sales later today....go fuck yourself.

And hell NO I'm not telling you what I'm selling or what my methods are. And I'm not selling ebooks and clickbank malarkey.

flashfire · 10-13-2010, 11:35 AM

why not do both?

PornMD · 10-13-2010, 11:36 AM

Mainstream domain sales over the past month - over 100 domains, nice healthy $xx,xxx profit. Adult domain sales over the past month - 0. A silly thing like Epassporte mallicking everyone and what little foundation adult had left is cracked. Meanwhile I get new SEOs/developers/domainers/end users buying mainstream domains every week.

JenC · 10-13-2010, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossku69

most mainstream people ive met are sleezebags and will steal any idea right from under you

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA HAAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And there's no douchebags in adult?? AHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! Damn now my pants are wet.

Mikushi · 10-13-2010, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JenC

Why didn't anyone tell me how fucking easy it is to make money in mainstream?? It's literally 50X easier to make money in mainstream than it is in adult. And I make a pretty good living in adult. I made my first mainstream sale within about 8 hours of registering my domain and building a 5 minute wordpress site.

Wonder why this is? No one gives away free VALUABLE stuff in mainstream. They'll give away free ebooks and shit that are stupid common sense tips, but they keep the valuable stuff under lock and key. Unlike the retards in adult (aka tube sites, TGPs and link lists) that have ruined the entire business. Good luck to everyone in your future endeavors....you're gonna need it.

It is as crooked as th porn industry, you probably just don't know it. Direct download sites, Megaupload, Megavideo, Rapidshare, and sites that orbit around those, making profits (easy and good) on copyrighted content (TV Shows, Movies, music). Sure there is money in mainstream, but thinking it is not as fucked up as the adult industry, you probably don't realise how fucked up it is

JenC · 10-13-2010, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flashfire

why not do both?

Most likely I will just let my adult sites be little soldiers and sell for me, but I won't continue to update them. I'll focus my work on my mainstream sites where the money is.

JenC · 10-13-2010, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikushi

It is as crooked as th porn industry, you probably just don't know it. Direct download sites, Megaupload, Megavideo, Rapidshare, and sites that orbit around those, making profits (easy and good) on copyrighted content (TV Shows, Movies, music). Sure there is money in mainstream, but thinking it is not as fucked up as the adult industry, you probably don't realise how fucked up it is

Now this is just the most retarded statement in this thread. That is NOT mainstream marketing, that is warez and hacks and stuff. Quit speaking about a topic you are plain ignorant about.

Mikushi · 10-13-2010, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JenC

Now this is just the most retarded statement in this thread. That is NOT mainstream marketing, that is warez and hacks and stuff. Quit speaking about a topic you are plain ignorant about.

Right... Megaupload/Megavideo are mainstream, i'm not talking about warez and shit (which was a "cool" shit 10 years ago, not so much now days...).
What do you think about the mainstream tube sites? What do you know about the fucking anal raping that is social gaming?
I've been working in mainstream for almost 10years, and in adult for 4years, so before telling me i'm ignorant about the topic, go check wikipedia for mainstream, and we'll be able to have a decent conversation.
Sure it is easier to make money in mainstream, but between you and me, if you think mainstream is all rainbows and unicorns, you are the ignorant one.

dyna mo · 10-13-2010, 12:03 PM

op seems conflicted.

xNetworx · 10-13-2010, 12:03 PM

LOL at OP. If ur new gig is so awesome, why are you here talking shit here instead of scaling it up. Business 101.

XPays · 10-13-2010, 12:04 PM

congrats on the sale- hope it sticks and if you are looking to expand your mainstream advertiser roster, try http://nonadult.com Payday Loan, Dating, teeth whitening and diet are hot hot hot

Robbie · 10-13-2010, 12:04 PM

Congratulations on making money in mainstream.

I've tried several different things with mainstream over the last decade. Including a very nice online clothing store back in 2000 to 2004.

None of 'em ever made anything close to what I make in adult. I've often heard people say that they do great in mainstream...but I'll be damned if I can figure out how.

Just one of those things I guess. I can make 7 figures in adult. Can't make 4 figures in mainstream. Go figure.

dyna mo · 10-13-2010, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

congrats on the sale- hope it sticks and if you are looking to expand your mainstream advertiser roster, try http://nonadult.com Payday Loan, Dating, teeth whitening and diet are hot hot hot

are you looking for products to add to that program?

SykkBoy · 10-13-2010, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

are you looking for products to add to that program?

Your Take Charge stuff is awesome...I'm 3 days in with it and already seeing some results. I add it to my yogurt each morning.

dyna mo · 10-13-2010, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

Your Take Charge stuff is awesome...I'm 3 days in with it and already seeing some results. I add it to my yogurt each morning.

Lance, that's super! thank you. hope we can work together!!

Paul Markham · 10-13-2010, 01:18 PM

Well done JenC.

Is there are as many webmasters related to the size of the market as in porn?
And as many options for the buyers to buy from?

This market not only gives it's stuff away, it saturates it as well.

tabasco · 10-13-2010, 01:23 PM

Congrats on your welcome sale.

Chosen · 10-13-2010, 06:29 PM

Congrats JenC

drx · 10-13-2010, 06:51 PM

werddddddddd

potter · 10-13-2010, 06:59 PM

The problem in adult is the thinking that the "valuable" stuff is the porn.

The Porn Nerd · 10-13-2010, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Congratulations on making money in mainstream.

I've tried several different things with mainstream over the last decade. Including a very nice online clothing store back in 2000 to 2004.

None of 'em ever made anything close to what I make in adult. I've often heard people say that they do great in mainstream...but I'll be damned if I can figure out how.

Just one of those things I guess. I can make 7 figures in adult. Can't make 4 figures in mainstream. Go figure.

That's cause you found your calling Robbie, and love what you do. "Mainstream" probably doesn't hold as much interest for you, or seem nearly as much fun. Now, if you could get as excited selling cruise line vacation deals as you do shooting porn then maybe you'd make 7 figgers in "mainstream".

PS: Congrats to the OP but basically in very poor taste. Irony.

BIGTYMER · 10-13-2010, 07:38 PM

I make most of my money in non-adult. I really only do adult because I enjoy it.

Cheers!

chipmunk · 10-14-2010, 08:00 AM

Lots of money in Mainstream -especially Lead Gen!
If anyone has questions or needs program referrals, let me know...

-=Chipmunk=-

Agent 488 · 10-14-2010, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JenC

Now this is just the most retarded statement in this thread. That is NOT mainstream marketing, that is warez and hacks and stuff. Quit speaking about a topic you are plain ignorant about.

you are idiot. congrats on your sale.

will76 · 10-14-2010, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JenC

5 sales later today....go fuck yourself.

you a baller

the replies in this thread are funny on so many levels.

ZeroHero · 10-14-2010, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeandsee

fucking tubes ruined tgps

welcome SAS

Phoenix66 · 10-14-2010, 09:12 AM

I do adult because I have no idea how to make money in mainstream. That's what a retard I am. English not being my native language also does not help.

I have no idea how to make interesting non-adult sites and how to get non-adult traffic. Tried several times but most traffic sellers there seems to be scam and links purchases mostly seem to be a waste of money.

I was doing a bit of hosting services and I remember a guy who made 10K per month from a fucking $170 server with 2Gb of monthly traffic with just 3 main non-adult sites and a small bunch of satellites. This is when I paid 2K for my servers with about 100Mbps bandwidth (this was some time ago, prices were higher then) barely making 3K pure profit.

He tried to give me some hints, but I guess it's just not the way my brain works

Actually his strongest trait was that he was annoyingly persistent. He managed to enlist his sites in numerous catalogs, exchange links with a lot of sites. And I rather don't like bothering people...

And nowadays no one is willing to share knowledge. It's all competition now.

zeuse · 10-14-2010, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JenC

Good luck to everyone in your future endeavors....you're gonna need it.

I was going to say you will be back but ive noticed that you are still posting in this thread.

10-13-2010, 03:03 AM	#1
JenC Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New England Posts: 515	Fuck this shit! Why didn't anyone tell me how fucking easy it is to make money in mainstream?? It's literally 50X easier to make money in mainstream than it is in adult. And I make a pretty good living in adult. I made my first mainstream sale within about 8 hours of registering my domain and building a 5 minute wordpress site. Wonder why this is? No one gives away free VALUABLE stuff in mainstream. They'll give away free ebooks and shit that are stupid common sense tips, but they keep the valuable stuff under lock and key. Unlike the retards in adult (aka tube sites, TGPs and link lists) that have ruined the entire business. Good luck to everyone in your future endeavors....you're gonna need it.

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10-13-2010, 07:35 AM	#15
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10-13-2010, 03:07 AM	#2
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10-13-2010, 03:15 AM	#3
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10-13-2010, 03:47 AM	#4
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10-13-2010, 04:13 AM	#5
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10-13-2010, 04:25 AM	#6
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10-13-2010, 04:33 AM	#9
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10-13-2010, 04:43 AM	#10
anexsia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,735	...it took you this long to figure that out? I've only been in the adult industry for 4 months and I've figured out that it's a shadow of it's former self and money is easier in mainstream. However, I like working in adult.

10-13-2010, 07:10 AM	#14
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10-13-2010, 08:01 AM	#16
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	I would gladly trade some porn knowledge for some mainstream knowledge. First mainstream question I would have is wtf do you sell with what site, and where do you go about getting trades and stuff? side note, if you have a mainstream site that makes money, I'm buying __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com

10-13-2010, 08:03 AM	#17
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,111	op makes one sale and comes here to rub it in everyone's face, sounds like a nice gal!

10-13-2010, 08:18 AM	#18
chronig Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,653	One sale doesn't mean shit

10-13-2010, 08:19 AM	#19
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10-13-2010, 09:14 AM	#20
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10-13-2010, 09:19 AM	#21
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Don't be too hard on JenC. Everyone finds their way into making a little "mainstream" money eventually. Of course, mainstream dwarfs the adult industry by definition so there's something wrong if there isn't any money to made. I remember Rick Schwartz on Ynot always talking about making money in mainstream in 1999, so she's only about 12 years late but still plenty of opportunity. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

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10-13-2010, 11:35 AM	#24
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	why not do both?

10-13-2010, 11:36 AM	#25
PornMD Mainstream Businessman Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 9,291	Mainstream domain sales over the past month - over 100 domains, nice healthy $xx,xxx profit. Adult domain sales over the past month - 0. A silly thing like Epassporte mallicking everyone and what little foundation adult had left is cracked. Meanwhile I get new SEOs/developers/domainers/end users buying mainstream domains every week. __________________ Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up.

10-13-2010, 12:03 PM	#31
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,111	op seems conflicted.

10-13-2010, 12:03 PM	#32
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	LOL at OP. If ur new gig is so awesome, why are you here talking shit here instead of scaling it up. Business 101.

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10-13-2010, 12:04 PM	#34
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Congratulations on making money in mainstream. I've tried several different things with mainstream over the last decade. Including a very nice online clothing store back in 2000 to 2004. None of 'em ever made anything close to what I make in adult. I've often heard people say that they do great in mainstream...but I'll be damned if I can figure out how. Just one of those things I guess. I can make 7 figures in adult. Can't make 4 figures in mainstream. Go figure. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

10-13-2010, 01:18 PM	#38
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Well done JenC. Is there are as many webmasters related to the size of the market as in porn? And as many options for the buyers to buy from? This market not only gives it's stuff away, it saturates it as well. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-13-2010, 01:23 PM	#39
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10-13-2010, 06:29 PM	#40
Chosen VIPPay.com \| AdultWebSponsors.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 63,151	Congrats JenC

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10-13-2010, 07:38 PM	#44
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10-14-2010, 08:00 AM	#45
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10-14-2010, 09:12 AM	#49
Phoenix66 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 823	I do adult because I have no idea how to make money in mainstream. That's what a retard I am. English not being my native language also does not help. I have no idea how to make interesting non-adult sites and how to get non-adult traffic. Tried several times but most traffic sellers there seems to be scam and links purchases mostly seem to be a waste of money. I was doing a bit of hosting services and I remember a guy who made 10K per month from a fucking $170 server with 2Gb of monthly traffic with just 3 main non-adult sites and a small bunch of satellites. This is when I paid 2K for my servers with about 100Mbps bandwidth (this was some time ago, prices were higher then) barely making 3K pure profit. He tried to give me some hints, but I guess it's just not the way my brain works Actually his strongest trait was that he was annoyingly persistent. He managed to enlist his sites in numerous catalogs, exchange links with a lot of sites. And I rather don't like bothering people... And nowadays no one is willing to share knowledge. It's all competition now. __________________ Adult Niche Traffic Exchange