Keiser: I worked on Wall Street for many years and the practice of forging documents is pretty common but what we see here is an "assembly line approach" where thousands of documents are being forged, all the mortgagers have been fraudulently reconceived.
There is actually another dimension to the crime. After they sold these fraudulent mortgagers, they wrapped them up into securitized, collateralized mortgage obligations and sold them on to banks, yet another fraudulent part of this escapade.
I am hearing from my sources in Europe and in the Middle East, the Hedge Funds and Big Money, they plan to attack the US dollar tomorrow in a very substantial way. They are completely fed up with Walls Fargo, J.P. Morgan and the Federal Reserve Bank, they want to take the American economy offline completely, they are sick and tired of the fraud, they are sick and tired of the Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner who is a financial terrorist and they are going to push the price of gold up to 1400 dollars an ounce, possibly tomorrow, as a result of this fraud. The big money is sick of it and they are going to take American economy offline.
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Another thing to consider is that gold is still well below its all time, inflation adjusted high, of $2500+/-. Many long-timers are aware of this, and not worried about the ~$1400 price - they see far more upside than downside at this point.
IMHO, folks seeking to buy for fast profits, buying now is risky, since there's a decent chance of a correction down to say $1100. However, for those seeking to buy and hold for a few years, buying now may be good time as any, since $2000+ appears very realistic.
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I'm looking more at silver, since I bought $5,000 more this week on 1 oz bars. Silver has constantly traded at a higher % and has a lot more upside. If we do experience something like hyperinflation, I see silver rising to $200+ an ounce, making me rich. Gold is overbought.
I think we are seeing the start of the biggest bull run for GOLD in history.
There is a World Wide Currency War underway, and as countries keep devaluing their currencies (relative to the rapidly weakening US Dollar) to keep their exports cheap, gold will just keep going up, Up, UP!
Tell me this - so you buy a bunch of gold, which you do not physically take posession of (few people do because they have no place to keep it) - it's just some numbers on a webpage. The economy crashes, everything goes to hell and the paper dollar becomes worthless. How do those numbers on a webpage actually help you survive?
For the US , goild is UP ... because there $$$ is down.
For other countries, basically the same ...
Exactly. Over the last couple of weeks USD dropped from 3.10PLN to 2.7 and even lower now some days. The price rise for gold is related to the USD being weaker, not gold getting mroe valuable. It all goes up and down all the time though. The USD isn't going anywhere, it is very much an important currency and USA is too big a market. Lower USD means USA importing from other countries becomes more expensive, and it's one of the biggest markets there is.
You buy stock BEFORE it goes up, not when it's peaking. Anyone even paying attention to gold at this point is completely clueless to investments.
Can I quote you on this? Because, relative to the dollar, gold is just getting started. And for what it's worth most of the gold I bought was around $500 to $800 an ounce. I have bought more the last couple weeks though and will continue to buy some every week or two regardless of where the price goes. Also, most of the gold being bought right now is being bought by investment banks, hedge funds, central banks and countries. I am sure you know than they do though...
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Tell me this - so you buy a bunch of gold, which you do not physically take posession of (few people do because they have no place to keep it) - it's just some numbers on a webpage. The economy crashes, everything goes to hell and the paper dollar becomes worthless. How do those numbers on a webpage actually help you survive?
Gold has been valuable to humans for close to 10,000 years. The bigger risk is that governments make possession of gold illegal again like they did during the Great Depression or they tax the shit out of gold sales (more likely).
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The EURO is a flawed currency. It is not going to replace the USD. There is talk that China wants to move to a Gold standard which would be a move one would take if they wanted to become the new world's reserve currency. Who knows though at this point...
Originally posted by directfiesta
For the US , goild is UP ... because there $$$ is down.
For other countries, basically the same ...
Partly true. A few months ago Gold hit an all time high to the Euro too. Dcat explains it pretty good...
Originally posted by Dcat
I think we are seeing the start of the biggest bull run for GOLD in history.
There is a World Wide Currency War underway, and as countries keep devaluing their currencies (relative to the rapidly weakening US Dollar) to keep their exports cheap, gold will just keep going up, Up, UP!
Exactly right. Though there is a chance that the USD will do a moonshot when the Dollar carry unwinds. I hope that happens because it will make gold and silver temporarily cheaper and I will buy even more...
Originally posted by The Demon
I'm looking more at silver, since I bought $5,000 more this week on 1 oz bars. Silver has constantly traded at a higher % and has a lot more upside. If we do experience something like hyperinflation, I see silver rising to $200+ an ounce, making me rich. Gold is overbought.
Silver is another good investment, but I don't agree that gold is overbought.
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It's soooooo obvious that this appreciation in gold is a bubble. I think it still has lots of room to run though. When it pops, watch out. It's going to be just like the bubble we had in Oil. $200/barrel one month, $30/barrel the next.
I've been dealing in Rare Coins, Gold & Silver since 1954. Been telling people to buy both precious metals since the beginning. They always say 'I'll wait till it drops back a little' - well they are still waiting. I started my stash with a couple dozen $20 St. Gaudens back in the early 60's when regular gold bullion was not available. Paid around $40 each for them back then. Started adding Krugs, Maples and then Eagles. I have at last count around 382 ounces total at the present time. Only time I sold any was I sold a few Saints in the early 70's and as a favor to a friend I sold 10 Eagles to him when gold hit $1000 year or so ago.
I still recommend both but my emphasis is on Silver. Think it is highly underpriced even tho it's pushing $25 an ounce. I personally believe silver is absolutely the best percentage of gain item in the metals market right now.
My advice is buy buy buy buy SILVER now before it gets to $50 and up. Oh yes, it will get there before the 2012 election. Mark my word.
Can I quote you on this? Because, relative to the dollar, gold is just getting started. And for what it's worth most of the gold I bought was around $500 to $800 an ounce. I have bought more the last couple weeks though and will continue to buy some every week or two regardless of where the price goes. Also, most of the gold being bought right now is being bought by investment banks, hedge funds, central banks and countries. I am sure you know than they do though...
Can I quote you on this:
Originally posted by Ethersync
gold is just getting started
Not like I'm going to remember this thread months from now. But yeah, I'd love to see the numbers in 6-12 months.
.. Prime example. The people who make money off stocks and investments, do the shit day in and day out. My financial guy once said, and this is a great quote "If there is a guy on tv trying to push you a stock. It's obviously a bit late in the game". Point is, the time to have made money on gold was a LONG time ago. Gold is now at it's peak level. It's a bubble at this point. When you turn on the TV and some dude is trying to push buying gold stock, you have to be dumber than a block of wood to think it would be a good stock to buy. Good stock to buy is stock that is about to go up, before people know about it. Not after the fact when everyone and their two poodles have purchased shares.
So sure. Quote me on it. So long as you own up to it when the bubble does indeed burst.
Would, shoulda, coulda, it's a baloon, fellas. Once it finally hits $1700 the last of the sheep will jump in only to cry it was all planned and stock market is BS and yadda yadda yadda... Gold has no reason to be there. It's manipulated and will be dropped like a used tampon once top players feel it's the need to put a short on it. Period.
once you see it hit $1000 again, you will be glad you did. Again, gold has no solid reason to be there. It's a balloon in the making. It's a toy for those who decide when it pops. The rest of the sheep can ride along but you won't be able to tell when to get out.
once you see it hit $1000 again, you will be glad you did. Again, gold has no solid reason to be there. It's a balloon in the making. It's a toy for those who decide when it pops. The rest of the sheep can ride along but you won't be able to tell when to get out.
yeah not sad at all . still made a very nice cut on it and invested it in something better ;)
I've been dealing in Rare Coins, Gold & Silver since 1954. Been telling people to buy both precious metals since the beginning. They always say 'I'll wait till it drops back a little' - well they are still waiting. I started my stash with a couple dozen $20 St. Gaudens back in the early 60's when regular gold bullion was not available. Paid around $40 each for them back then. Started adding Krugs, Maples and then Eagles. I have at last count around 382 ounces total at the present time. Only time I sold any was I sold a few Saints in the early 70's and as a favor to a friend I sold 10 Eagles to him when gold hit $1000 year or so ago.
I still recommend both but my emphasis is on Silver. Think it is highly underpriced even tho it's pushing $25 an ounce. I personally believe silver is absolutely the best percentage of gain item in the metals market right now.
My advice is buy buy buy buy SILVER now before it gets to $50 and up. Oh yes, it will get there before the 2012 election. Mark my word.
Then go and insure your loan by your precious metals and then cry a river while hitting foreclosure. It's about time "I told you so happens" for these metal preachers. You are like converted MLMers. Can't see through the fog and can't see why this metal got so far. Do you really think it's supply and demand here?
It's like when you buy a house just because you are afraid prices will go higher next year, only to see prices go south 3 years later so much that you have to refinance your stupid loan.
once you see it hit $1000 again, you will be glad you did. Again, gold has no solid reason to be there. It's a balloon in the making. It's a toy for those who decide when it pops. The rest of the sheep can ride along but you won't be able to tell when to get out.
Ok, I'll bite. WHY does gold have no valid reason to be there? Please enlighten us...
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Thanks for the Mr T interview. Here's one that begins to explain the manipulation and derivatives that have artificially suppressed the price of gold and silver. (I can't post URL's yet, but if you search "The Curious Case For $936 Ounce Silver" or if someone can post the link:
Yeah, end of the world. And an asteroid could hit tomorrow as well. You keep the paranoid shit and I'll keep living in the real world.
There is nothing paranoid about keeping a position in gold. Why are you so against it? Have you invested in anything before? If so, what? ...and how did it turn out for you?
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There is nothing paranoid about keeping a position in gold. Why are you so against it? Have you invested in anything before? If so, what? ...and how did it turn out for you?
Big difference in keeping a position in gold, and starting a thread about gold being up during one of the biggest gold bubbles in history.
I've been dealing in Rare Coins, Gold & Silver since 1954. Been telling people to buy both precious metals since the beginning. They always say 'I'll wait till it drops back a little' - well they are still waiting. I started my stash with a couple dozen $20 St. Gaudens back in the early 60's when regular gold bullion was not available. Paid around $40 each for them back then. Started adding Krugs, Maples and then Eagles. I have at last count around 382 ounces total at the present time. Only time I sold any was I sold a few Saints in the early 70's and as a favor to a friend I sold 10 Eagles to him when gold hit $1000 year or so ago.
I still recommend both but my emphasis is on Silver. Think it is highly underpriced even tho it's pushing $25 an ounce. I personally believe silver is absolutely the best percentage of gain item in the metals market right now.
My advice is buy buy buy buy SILVER now before it gets to $50 and up. Oh yes, it will get there before the 2012 election. Mark my word.
Exactly. Over the last couple of weeks USD dropped from 3.10PLN to 2.7 and even lower now some days. The price rise for gold is related to the USD being weaker, not gold getting mroe valuable. It all goes up and down all the time though. The USD isn't going anywhere, it is very much an important currency and USA is too big a market. Lower USD means USA importing from other countries becomes more expensive, and it's one of the biggest markets there is.
I'm not sure you even understood what you wrote because by the simple definition of the value of a fiat currency, if the worth of the dollar goes down, the value of the precious metal goes up. And this is assuming there's a direct correlation between the two. Then there's the outside factors, such as gold being low in supply and high in demand and therefore valuable, or gold being a hedge against inflation, etc..The US isn't too big to fail, sorry to tell you that. The whole "too big to fail" attitude died with the 2008 recession.
It's soooooo obvious that this appreciation in gold is a bubble. I think it still has lots of room to run though. When it pops, watch out. It's going to be just like the bubble we had in Oil. $200/barrel one month, $30/barrel the next.
LOL@Gold is a bubble logic. The most moronic economists have that view because they have to believe in their keynesian bullshit and fiat currencies. If Gold is a bubble, it's going to be a "bubble" for decades or even centuries. As long as fiscal and monetary mismanagement exists, gold will always be "precious".
Silver is another good investment, but I don't agree that gold is overbought.
I think it is. Most people who are into precious metals are "gold bugs". They see gold rising and see $5,000+ in the near future and jump on it. Silver is the one nobody really looks at and is tremendously undervalued.
LOL@Gold is a bubble logic. The most moronic economists have that view because they have to believe in their keynesian bullshit and fiat currencies. If Gold is a bubble, it's going to be a "bubble" for decades or even centuries. As long as fiscal and monetary mismanagement exists, gold will always be "precious".
There is no fundamental reason why gold should keep going up, short term, sure you can make a profit, long term investing in commodities in never profitable...
There is no fundamental reason why gold should keep going up, short term, sure you can make a profit, long term investing in commodities in never profitable...
Depends on what you consider a "fundamental reason". I'd say with inflation and hyperinflation imminent, precious metals rising IS a fundamental reason. People want safety and nothing beats gold and silver as a medium of exchange and store of wealth.
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