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10-13-2010, 01:52 PM

I bet the cop loves his dash cam now since nobody would believe this actually
happened this way. WTF did this guy think was going to happen?

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10-13-2010, 01:55 PM

that's bat-shit crazy

what does the guy say right before he's shot?

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10-13-2010, 01:56 PM

suicide by cop
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10-13-2010, 01:57 PM

Wow......
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10-13-2010, 02:00 PM

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suicide by cop

yeah, pretty much

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10-13-2010, 02:00 PM

Agreed the kid was an idiot, but did the cop really need to shoot him? He had a fucking baseball bat, and the cop was in a fucking car. The cop already radioed for backup...wait a fucking minute until more cops get there then surround him and take him to the ground--don't kill the fucking kid. Fucking cops...

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10-13-2010, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Machete_

suicide by cop

Could have been high on drugs as well...
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10-13-2010, 02:13 PM

Was that blood on the windshield at the end?
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10-13-2010, 02:16 PM

Looked drugged up.

Why didn't he just shoot him in the legs FFS?

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10-13-2010, 02:19 PM

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10-13-2010, 02:24 PM

He couldn't have reversed the car?

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10-13-2010, 02:37 PM

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He couldn't have reversed the car?

Could you hear his voice? He was terrified...
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10-13-2010, 02:57 PM

What about a stungun?? Was a fatal shooting really the ONLY option?

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10-13-2010, 04:04 PM

Throwing a spear would work well against melee weapons such as a baseball bat.

Your quickness and aim has to be good enough, though.

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10-13-2010, 04:14 PM

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10-13-2010, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by NaughtyVisions

Agreed the kid was an idiot, but did the cop really need to shoot him? He had a fucking baseball bat, and the cop was in a fucking car. The cop already radioed for backup...wait a fucking minute until more cops get there then surround him and take him to the ground--don't kill the fucking kid. Fucking cops...

It looks and sounds like the guy comes around to the side of the car and starts hitting the window on the driver's side. at that point the cop had 2 choices. Drive away and leave the guy there or shoot him. He can't leave. If he leaves and that guy hurts someone else he would be torn apart for it and people would be in here saying, "What, fucking cops just leave and let these guys attack other people?" So the leaving option is off the table.

If the guys is attacking a police car with a bat he is clearly out of his mind. I would imagine if you just sit there he is going smash your window in and bash you in the head. That bat is a deadly weapon. The guy really only had one choice. It is easy to second guess it now, but when you are in the moment and have two seconds to make a choice, it isn't so easy.
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10-13-2010, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by thickcash_amo

What about a stungun?? Was a fatal shooting really the ONLY option?

I'll ask you. Would you be willing to take the chance? You get out of your car, draw, aim and shoot your tazer. If it misses of doesn't work properly the guy is on top of you bashing your head in with a bat. Is that a risk you want to take?
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10-13-2010, 04:45 PM

Its not like the movies where Bruce Willis shoots a guy in the foot as a warning. Cops are trained to shoot to kill. If they pull their gun and deem they have to fire they have to go for the kill shot.

Anyway, one less fuckwit in the world now... nice shot man.

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10-13-2010, 04:52 PM

The kid must have been hopped up on drugs

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10-13-2010, 05:01 PM

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Could you hear his voice? He was terrified...

Yep. It looks like he panicked. He had good reason too. The kid was crazy with a baseball bat. It can be a lethal weapon easily. But I don't think the officer is cut out to be a cop. Pepper spray or tazer would have been better or a retreat and wait for backup if the situation didn't warrant action (other civilians at risk). I wouldn't press charges against the cop but I think he needs desk duty.

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10-13-2010, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by kane

I'll ask you. Would you be willing to take the chance? You get out of your car, draw, aim and shoot your tazer. If it misses of doesn't work properly the guy is on top of you bashing your head in with a bat. Is that a risk you want to take?

If it's your job though....

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10-13-2010, 05:10 PM

That's a 100% justified use of force. The officer feared for his life and used his service weapon to stop the threat.
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10-13-2010, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by signupdamnit

Yep. It looks like he panicked. He had good reason too. The kid was crazy with a baseball bat. It can be a lethal weapon easily. But I don't think the officer is cut out to be a cop. Pepper spray or tazer would have been better or a retreat and wait for backup if the situation didn't warrant action (other civilians at risk). I wouldn't press charges against the cop but I think he needs desk duty.

I am very slow to side with cops on use of deadly force issues; however, this cop had to
open his car door or roll down his window in order to try using a taser or mace.
That would expose him to the guy swinging the bat, so the cop is "trapped" or has
to flee in the car. It is not his job nor is he required to flee; just an option.

When the suspect came to the driver side of the patrol car and swung the bat he forced
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10-13-2010, 05:21 PM

Some of you crack me up, you're big and bad and hate the cops till you or someone you care about is in danger, then the first thing you do is call 911! LOL
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10-13-2010, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by blackmonsters

I am very slow to side with cops on use of deadly force issues; however, this cop had to
open his car door or roll down his window in order to try using a taser or mace.
That would expose him to the guy swinging the bat, so the cop is "trapped" or has
to flee in the car. It is not his job nor is he required to flee; just an option.

When the suspect came to the driver side of the patrol car and swung the bat he forced
an option.

Like I said I don't think the officer should be charged, but I also don't think he should be an officer in the field. He seemed to panick. That's dangerous for a police officer. Give him a desk job for a while at least if that's what really happened.

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10-13-2010, 05:27 PM

The cop tried to withdraw by putting the car in reverse, the guy kept coming.

The cop gave him a chance, then the cop did what cops do when you put them in these positions. Looks justified to me.
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10-13-2010, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by signupdamnit

Like I said I don't think the officer should be charged, but I also don't think he should be an officer in the field. He seemed to panick. That's dangerous for a police officer. Give him a desk job for a while at least if that's what really happened.

You are judging him on his voice inflection and not on his actions.

His actions were : suspect fucked up - officer won - case closed.

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10-13-2010, 05:48 PM

eh thats a tough one...might have been better to hit him with the car...but then the city pays for a paralyzed person forever...not a lot of options if someone is smashing your car with a bat...and coming inside for you

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10-13-2010, 05:53 PM

the dodgers could of used that kid in the line up this year, he was swingin for the fence.
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10-13-2010, 06:06 PM

It was a justified shooting from my vantage point. People are beat to death with stick like objects all the time. A bat is a deadly weapon.

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10-13-2010, 06:23 PM

I am not a cop kiss ass or the type of person who always takes the cop's side but the cop did the right thing by shooting the guy with the bat. It seems like some of you expect the cop to shoot the bat out of the guy's hand, maybe a little pepper spray would of subdued the attacker.
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10-13-2010, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by signupdamnit

If it's your job though....

Your job is to serve and protect. not sacrifice your life so a lunatic with a bat can live.
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10-13-2010, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by kane

Your job is to serve and protect. not sacrifice your life so a lunatic with a bat can live.

People siding with a bat wielding psycho.. wtf?!?!?!
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10-13-2010, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by kane

It looks and sounds like the guy comes around to the side of the car and starts hitting the window on the driver's side. at that point the cop had 2 choices. Drive away and leave the guy there or shoot him. He can't leave. If he leaves and that guy hurts someone else he would be torn apart for it and people would be in here saying, "What, fucking cops just leave and let these guys attack other people?" So the leaving option is off the table.

If the guys is attacking a police car with a bat he is clearly out of his mind. I would imagine if you just sit there he is going smash your window in and bash you in the head. That bat is a deadly weapon. The guy really only had one choice. It is easy to second guess it now, but when you are in the moment and have two seconds to make a choice, it isn't so easy.

you sound just like a lawyer man

how about just backing the car up enough to get out of range of the bat while still keeeping the guy in sight

it is sickening how quickly people justify the killing of another
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10-13-2010, 09:33 PM

id have shot that fucking idiot in his mouth if he bashed up my car and tried to hit me through my window with a bat too.
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10-13-2010, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by papill0n

you sound just like a lawyer man

how about just backing the car up enough to get out of range of the bat while still keeeping the guy in sight

it is sickening how quickly people justify the killing of another

you watch the video?

backing up the car was the first thing he did and he backed up constantly for a good while, probably to try and give the kid a chance to ease up.

i'm far from the type to side with police officers but this was a clear "you gonna get shot" scenario.

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10-13-2010, 09:40 PM

ok i never side with cops but in this case i dont blame him.. heck even if im not a cop and some fucker came swinging like that and i felt like my life or the lives of people i care about was in danger, id shoot the fucker..

the cop reversed, told him to stop, he didnt.. bam.. kill shot.. gj cop

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10-13-2010, 09:48 PM

If someone was attacking me like that I'd shoot him too.

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10-13-2010, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by papill0n

you sound just like a lawyer man

how about just backing the car up enough to get out of range of the bat while still keeeping the guy in sight

it is sickening how quickly people justify the killing of another

did you not watch the video? He was slowly backing up and the guy was following him, swinging away. How far should he back up? Should he go around the block? How fast should he back up? We don't see behind him. We have no idea how much space or road there is for him to back up into.

I'm the kind of guy who feels the cops should only use lethal force when it is absolutely needed and to me, based on what I can see in that video it was needed. A bat is a serious weapon. I wouldn't fuck with him. The guy seems like he is clearly out of his mind. I personally wouldn't wait until he was bashing my head in before I acted and I wouldn't run away and let him take off and maybe hurt someone else.
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10-13-2010, 10:32 PM

Unless someone else was in danger he could drive away and wait for backup.
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10-13-2010, 10:37 PM

you people who think this situation required the use of lethal force are some pussy motherfuckers

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10-13-2010, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

Unless someone else was in danger he could drive away and wait for backup.

As I said above, the problem is you don't know if anyone else is in danger. Do you think it is a good idea to leave a crazy guy who is so angry he will attack a police car wandering around a neighborhood? We also have no idea what the call was. We don't know that there isn't someone laying in yard or in the street somewhere that he has already beat half to death.

If he left and someone else got hurt the police department would be sued for an extraordinary amount.
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10-13-2010, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Slutboat

you people who think this situation required the use of lethal force are some pussy motherfuckers

So you would have stepped out of the car and took the bat away from him?
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10-13-2010, 10:45 PM

lol kid was an idiot, required use of physical and deadly force if not just to take the kid down but to also serve as a deterrent to others looking to do fucked up shit like that to the police

im the first one to say theyre idiots when theyre idiots but they have a job to do and if they aren't seen as the dont fuck with us guys out there then thing would be even worse than they are now
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10-13-2010, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Fungus

Some of you crack me up, you're big and bad and hate the cops till you or someone you care about is in danger, then the first thing you do is call 911! LOL

Problem is you ring the police for a real actual crime and they show up 4 hours later.

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10-13-2010, 11:16 PM

Only 40 short years ago this type of behavior would warrant an immediate suicide by cop and most people realized that. Are you people really going to listen to the NAACP?
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10-13-2010, 11:22 PM

Police procedure normally and in training they tell you that your not supposed to stay in your car to get out at all costs or you could be killed. If the guy with the bat had a gun the officer would be dead. If you watch the video you'll see at the end he got out at the right time to get off a shot. My cousin is a cop and they tell you to not stay in your car. That's a whacked out video tho, that guy was stupid or high on drugs.
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10-13-2010, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by kane

As I said above, the problem is you don't know if anyone else is in danger. Do you think it is a good idea to leave a crazy guy who is so angry he will attack a police car wandering around a neighborhood? We also have no idea what the call was. We don't know that there isn't someone laying in yard or in the street somewhere that he has already beat half to death.

If he left and someone else got hurt the police department would be sued for an extraordinary amount.

He was breaking windows. That is not a capital offense and no excuse for shooting a minor. The police protected himself obviously, but I call it bad judgement.
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10-13-2010, 11:45 PM

It's pretty much a given where I come from - you go at a cop swinging a bat, you gonna get shot. It's pretty easy to understand, really - you want to live - don't be swinging a bat at no cops.
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10-13-2010, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

He was breaking windows. That is not a capital offense and no excuse for shooting a minor. The police protected himself obviously, but I call it bad judgement.

Just so I make sure I understand you clearly. You think a guy smashing a window out of a cop car like that guy was is just a guy breaking windows? Also, we didn't see what happened when the guy comes around to the driver's side. So if that glass you hear breaking is the cops driver's side door window he should have calmly gotten out of the car and wrestled the bat away from this guy?

A lot of people say he should have tazed him. Great, but we don't even know if he had a tazer and if the guy is about to smash my head in with a bat I'm not going to risk my life on the idea that my tazer works because if it doesn't work properly, I might be dead.

You say he was protecting himself, but how would you have rather he handled it?

It is a tragedy that this kid died, but in the split second this guy had to decide what to do and it looked to me like this kid was in no mood to talk.
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