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10-11-2010, 01:29 AM

I just checked my account and there are 200 new trade requests from idiots with piece of shit PR0 pages wanting to trade with my PR3, PR4 and PR5 sites.

There should be an option where you could set min PR limit for a trade request.
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10-11-2010, 01:43 AM

I haven't even looked at LinkSpun yet, but I'm assuming there's a shitload of idiots, and a nice hidden hole somewhere leaving tons of free links ripe for the picking. I'll rape it later...
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10-11-2010, 01:54 AM

Ask for more links back, eg. a link on my PR3 site for a link on 3 of your PR0 sites. The ratio is up to you of course.
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10-11-2010, 01:56 AM

I also love how they request a linkback to their "white" site - which is clean, high PR and generally good, but they won't link back from it, in return they offer you a pick from a hundreds of shitty, linkfarm splogs.

Jdough should add some kind of VIP member status, for people that trade with high-quality sites.

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10-11-2010, 02:02 AM

Yap there are some of those, but still linkspun is a pretty nice service!

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10-11-2010, 02:31 AM

There is a user block option btw.

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Yap there are some of those, but still linkspun is a pretty nice service!

It is a great service indeed.

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10-11-2010, 03:15 AM

Today's PR0s are tomorrow's PR1s. I love those trade requests because you can get several links stacked on one trade for your 2s and 3s.
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10-11-2010, 04:06 AM

they should have a PR limit function

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10-11-2010, 04:14 AM

Oh that sucks they dont have a PR limit function? Other than that ive heard great things about link spun.
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10-11-2010, 04:24 AM

You can only hide the higher PR sites for now but I believe they are working on adding something like that.

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10-11-2010, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

Oh that sucks they dont have a PR limit function? Other than that ive heard great things about link spun.

They have but from opposite.

Meaning You can set a PR limit when You're the one requesting a link trade, not when somebody requested from YOU.
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10-11-2010, 04:28 AM

Originally posted by Machete_

I also love how they request a linkback to their "white" site - which is clean, high PR and generally good, but they won't link back from it, in return they offer you a pick from a hundreds of shitty, linkfarm splogs.

Jdough should add some kind of VIP member status, for people that trade with high-quality sites.

ok, If You own a pornhub.com and You need some links for it, will You ever give a backlink from such site to another person? no You won't.

But yes, I saw a lot of people having only totally shitty sites in their "active" list.
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10-11-2010, 04:28 AM

I like how someone can spend thousands of dollars of his own money providing a free service to webmasters that can help them make more money, and all some people do is moan.

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10-11-2010, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by redwhiteandblue

I like how someone can spend thousands of dollars of his own money providing a free service to webmasters that can help them make more money, and all some people do is moan.

Snicker...

I find that entertaining as well.

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10-11-2010, 06:19 AM

just block the user? very simple.
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10-11-2010, 06:57 AM

I love Link Spun.
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10-11-2010, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Machete_

I also love how they request a linkback to their "white" site - which is clean, high PR and generally good, but they won't link back from it, in return they offer you a pick from a hundreds of shitty, linkfarm splogs.

Jdough should add some kind of VIP member status, for people that trade with high-quality sites.

Exactly,i got some mails with some link exchange request and they want to give linkback from domain.com/shittybacklinkwithnojuiceatall.html .Such requests goes to spam.
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10-11-2010, 07:57 AM

PR is overrated. What matters is the traffic that the sites get.

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10-11-2010, 08:08 AM

Just decline the requests. I decline about 90% of all requests.

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10-11-2010, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by fris

they should have a PR limit function

that's what i said
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10-11-2010, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Davy

PR is overrated. What matters is the traffic that the sites get.

That's the other point.

They should add some info about the links - alexa rank, number of outgoing links, number of pages on the site, etc.
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10-11-2010, 08:25 AM

Would be nice to be able to set some rules for people asking for links.

So if I could say something like:

Requester must have at least (10) choices to link back from.
Requester must have a minimum of (2) PR3 sites to link back from.
Requester must have a minimum of (10) PR1 sites to link back from.

Then I can stop getting requests from people with only 2 free hosted blogs that are both PR0 asking for PR3 links from me.

But for the most part I just deny their requests and then set those people to block.

When you make requests you can set a PR limit they can choose from.
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10-11-2010, 08:32 AM

post suggestions at linkspun forum there is a thread there.
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10-11-2010, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Machete_

I just checked my account and there are 200 new trade requests from idiots with piece of shit PR0 pages wanting to trade with my PR3, PR4 and PR5 sites.

There should be an option where you could set min PR limit for a trade request.

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10-11-2010, 09:19 AM

yeah, fuck them
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10-11-2010, 09:27 AM

If you think PR is that important you might want to reevaluate your thought process. Google 'Porn' and you'll see sites like http://www.wedigporn.com/ listed on page one which are PR0. Google is no longer updating PR frequently or reliably. There are also a ton of PR2 and 3 sites that haven't been updated in eons selling and trading links at high prices based on their PR when they don't even rank in the top 100 for any meaningful SERP.

Yes, two equal sites where one has a higher PR, I'd go with the higher PR site. Same with Alexa. However, the idea that Alexa or PR on their own are significant stats just isn't accurate anymore. Google figured out the only people who found PR useful were link buyers and SEOs trying to game the system, so they stopped providing useful information that way.

There are plenty of PR0 sites I'd rather get a link from than many PR1,2 and 3 sites I have seen lately. You'll be much better off finding PR0 sites that update, rank well, have good bounce rates, have original content etc... than you will with a link farm full of popups that make users leave the page faster even though it happens to be PR1

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10-11-2010, 09:36 AM

Nice post Relentless.

There's the also the other side. You have a PR0 site that gets 10,000 uniques a day and has less than a dozen outbound links. Meanwhile someone else has a PR3 site which gets 300 uniques a day, has 5000 outbound links and thinks you should jump at the opportunity.

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10-11-2010, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

If you think PR is that important you might want to reevaluate your thought process. Google 'Porn' and you'll see sites like http://www.wedigporn.com/ listed on page one which are PR0. Google is no longer updating PR frequently or reliably. There are also a ton of PR2 and 3 sites that haven't been updated in eons selling and trading links at high prices based on their PR when they don't even rank in the top 100 for any meaningful SERP.

Yes, two equal sites where one has a higher PR, I'd go with the higher PR site. Same with Alexa. However, the idea that Alexa or PR on their own are significant stats just isn't accurate anymore. Google figured out the only people who found PR useful were link buyers and SEOs trying to game the system, so they stopped providing useful information that way.

There are plenty of PR0 sites I'd rather get a link from than many PR1,2 and 3 sites I have seen lately. You'll be much better off finding PR0 sites that update, rank well, have good bounce rates, have original content etc... than you will with a link farm full of popups that make users leave the page faster even though it happens to be PR1

the pr of your site does not matter where you rank in the end. but for sites linking to you it matters a lot. although there are other factors when evaluating the worth of an incoming link, pr is the basis of the google algo and will always be. get a decent pr 7 link and see. it will trump thousands pr0 relevant sites with great bounce rates blah blah ....

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10-11-2010, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Relentless

If you think PR is that important you might want to reevaluate your thought process. Google 'Porn' and you'll see sites like http://www.wedigporn.com/ listed on page one which are PR0. Google is no longer updating PR frequently or reliably. There are also a ton of PR2 and 3 sites that haven't been updated in eons selling and trading links at high prices based on their PR when they don't even rank in the top 100 for any meaningful SERP.

Yes, two equal sites where one has a higher PR, I'd go with the higher PR site. Same with Alexa. However, the idea that Alexa or PR on their own are significant stats just isn't accurate anymore. Google figured out the only people who found PR useful were link buyers and SEOs trying to game the system, so they stopped providing useful information that way.

There are plenty of PR0 sites I'd rather get a link from than many PR1,2 and 3 sites I have seen lately. You'll be much better off finding PR0 sites that update, rank well, have good bounce rates, have original content etc... than you will with a link farm full of popups that make users leave the page faster even though it happens to be PR1

qft, I'm getting some amazing traffic from PR0 sites that I have traded with on Link Spun. I could really care less about page rank as long as the websites are updated regularly and have good organic traffic.
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10-11-2010, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by 429mg

Just decline the requests. I decline about 90% of all requests.

The problem is you have to eyeball of of these requests. Some sort of filter that disallowed trades from .info domains or crap linkfarms would be fantastic.
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10-11-2010, 11:15 AM

stop worrying about page rank, look at domain age, traffic, outgoing links, rankings. anything but pagerank.
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10-11-2010, 11:26 AM

I have 260 active trades and have never sent a single request.... Pornhub is pr 5 but they have links from EVERYWHERE. At end of day all that matter is the surfers who click your links. They dont give a shit about your pr. Ill take a nicely placed pr0 link with traffic over a small pr3 footer link anyday. And get it for free too.

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10-11-2010, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by redwhiteandblue

I like how someone can spend thousands of dollars of his own money providing a free service to webmasters that can help them make more money, and all some people do is moan.

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10-11-2010, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Agent 488

the pr of your site does not matter where you rank in the end. but for sites linking to you it matters a lot. although there are other factors when evaluating the worth of an incoming link, pr is the basis of the google algo and will always be. get a decent pr 7 link and see. it will trump thousands pr0 relevant sites with great bounce rates blah blah ....

That used to be very true. These days it isn't.
The last significant PR update was at the end of March. Before that was New Years Eve.
That means most sites have not been adjusted more than twice in the past 10 months.
So sites that 'should be' PR3 are PR0 and sites that 'should be' PR0 are PR3. That does *not* mean the algo is counting them the way their displayed PR lists them. The algo is up to date and continually updated I am sure... the displayed PR is not.

Put yourself in Google's shoes. Why would you give webmasters an accurate, easy and updated way to decide which sites to buy links from, how to sculpt their own link weight, etc... when your goal is to get the best sites top ranked. Google wants the best sites on top, webmasters want the sites they own on top. PR helps webmasters, not Google. That's why they killed it... and yet many webmasters refuse to believe it.

There is no substitute for actually visiting a site these days, looking at it, deciding if its a site worth reading or capable of entertaining visitors.... and that is exactly what Google wants people to do.

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10-11-2010, 12:55 PM

Just some basic info about the quality of the trades, these are non deniable, and pretty much say it all I think.

We have 91,258 Total trade requests as of this posting.
OF THESE WE HAVE:
26,943 Total active, trades completed and being tracked. 30% of ALL requests have turned into active trades.
45,802 Total denials. Almost exactly 50% of requests end up denied at one point of the request stage.
18,513 In Limbo, requested but not denied, waiting links etc, 20% are in limbo.

Now in my opinion, factor almost 1,100 different webmasters preferences, their site dossier, their experience and quality of their sites and then also 'idiot' and 'spammer' factors and ending up with 30%-35% off all trade requests sitewide going live is pretty solid.

I think it's more then solid, I think it's completely badass. A system like this is user based, no matter what we try and do, we need users to join. We need new webmasters as much as we need old webmasters. And like anything that is user based, we have to factor in and expect, different types of users, ones who may not have much experience, or have much resources (sites) to utilize.

What we do have is numerous ways to combat it and make it so it shouldn't be an issue for those who want to limit those trade requests or dealings with other people. You can simply hide the domains you don't want requests to, you can block the user who spammed you with weak trades. You could comment back to that user and tell him you want 3-4 links for your 1, or you could comment back and tell him to pound salt and not bother you until he has some sites added with what you see as value.

Most of the latest updates that have been added as of late are user based convenience features (quickurls/quick anchor, and similar) but also have been towards filtering and allowing a user to filter what he sees and does. Filtering out what a user allows OTHERS to see and do is a much more complex thing, and we are still a 'young' site at only 6 months old. Rest assured there will continue to be updates and features added to make more efficient use of your trading time, that is the entire goal here. Put 10's of thousands of sites to trade with at your fingertips, and make it all idiot proof.

I am always interested in tweaking the system, and want to remove people who attempt to abuse the system, or take advantage of the users, I need you to Report these Users to myself on the site (The button saying REPORT) so I can have all the data in front of me and make educated decisions based on it.

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10-11-2010, 01:14 PM

seems a lot of asses like to decline trade requests that would benefit them cos they think their sites are somehow too good. your loss I guess.
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10-11-2010, 01:55 PM

PR is retarded

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10-11-2010, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Relentless

If you think PR is that important you might want to reevaluate your thought process. Google 'Porn' and you'll see sites like http://www.wedigporn.com/ listed on page one which are PR0. Google is no longer updating PR frequently or reliably. There are also a ton of PR2 and 3 sites that haven't been updated in eons selling and trading links at high prices based on their PR when they don't even rank in the top 100 for any meaningful SERP.

Yes, two equal sites where one has a higher PR, I'd go with the higher PR site. Same with Alexa. However, the idea that Alexa or PR on their own are significant stats just isn't accurate anymore. Google figured out the only people who found PR useful were link buyers and SEOs trying to game the system, so they stopped providing useful information that way.

There are plenty of PR0 sites I'd rather get a link from than many PR1,2 and 3 sites I have seen lately. You'll be much better off finding PR0 sites that update, rank well, have good bounce rates, have original content etc... than you will with a link farm full of popups that make users leave the page faster even though it happens to be PR1

it shows pr0 on the tool bar because it hit number 1 for "porn" before the toolbar update.

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10-11-2010, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by anexsia

qft, I'm getting some amazing traffic from PR0 sites that I have traded with on Link Spun. I could really care less about page rank as long as the websites are updated regularly and have good organic traffic.

Can't you guys understand that you DONT KNOW THE PR OF A PAGE? The pages linking to you could be PR10 or could have changed.. but you don't know that because Google doesn't update the toolbar frequently. PageRank is calculated in real time. Tool bar PR is not. When you see the toolbar PR, you are seeing a scale of a pages true PR and you are seeing what it was many months ago, not what it is today.

The PR of every page online affects the PR of every other page online. Things change that are outside your view of whats going on that affects your sites. for example, sites linking to you are gaining/losing links daily as well. How that happens, from where/what quality links etc also affects you.

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10-11-2010, 02:39 PM

when I get those I just hit delete

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10-11-2010, 02:39 PM

Tell us how you really feel Minicivan!

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10-11-2010, 02:55 PM

same in here...
I have like 100s of request and I don't have patience to mess with those...
like 90% are unreal requests...

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10-11-2010, 03:08 PM

I jumped the gun in assuming what relentless was saying. I was wrong to say that or attack him. I sincerely apologize.

Pr matters.

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10-11-2010, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by HomerSimpson

same in here...
I have like 100s of request and I don't have patience to mess with those...
like 90% are unreal requests...

What you get for requests and deals is going to directly reflect on what you've put in. Your profile has 8 domains, and 37 freehosted blogs on them a lot look like newer sites, none have any pr (PR Isn't everything, but a network full of 0's is what it is).

You also have a thread in the forums started about you not adding links, or taking weeks to add them, this all plays part in how many requests you'll get, and obviously DIRECTLY effect how many quality people are going to send you requests (you'll get 0 good ones).

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10-11-2010, 03:27 PM

I don't even use Linkspun - yet - but I dig JDoughs veracity so bump for the JDough man!

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10-11-2010, 04:33 PM

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I don't even use Linkspun - yet - but I dig JDoughs veracity so bump for the JDough man!

You should totally try Link Spun out...sure some webmasters complain, but a lot of us are making the best of Link Spun and getting some good trades. I have 177 active trades and counting, and going over some of the stats for some of my blogs, I've gained some good traffic from those trades.
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10-11-2010, 08:02 PM

I have some quality sites with few outbound links. I had a lot of requests for trades with these sites. I did some trades and then set then to hidden. Why? I like having quality sites. Not tons of links on my homepages. Now I'm trying to build my deep linking strategy. Yes those pages are PR0 but you got to start somewhere. For the most part I stopped requesting trades and let them come to me. I visually check every site and research the requesting site. I don't mind the "idiots" and I don't need an easy button.

You can get good links from some of these people for free cause they don't realize the value of their own pages.

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10-11-2010, 08:21 PM

Linkspun is well worth the effort, but you have to go in with a strategy and a thick skin. I signed up last week and put up about 40 of my sites and have obtained a few trades so far.

Yeah the idiots there can be depressing, some people get snarky when you suggest a fair trade. It can be a real horse market in there.

A lot of guys are using the AIM field to post a few rules for their trades. It would be nice to have a specific profile field for this.
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10-11-2010, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by anexsia

You should totally try Link Spun out...sure some webmasters complain, but a lot of us are making the best of Link Spun and getting some good trades. I have 177 active trades and counting, and going over some of the stats for some of my blogs, I've gained some good traffic from those trades.

Believe me, it's on my list to do! Thing is, which I realize will hold me back for a while, is that i have no existing Blogs so starting from scratch will take a few months to get any kind of PR. I've spent the bulk of my time building Paysites and growing my network but now it's time to turn my attention to traffic and link trades.

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