No offense to anyone but is this supposed to be a big deal? Him doing Nazi re-enactments? So if someone is a confederate in Civil War re-enactments, they're traitors and should never run for political office? Fuck, throw 'em in prison, those bastards!
I realize that because most if not all politicians are scum (probably including this guy), people are constantly on the lookout for signs of their shittiness, but at what point does it go into getting down on people for having unusual hobbies (which many many people have) and being human? It only furthers the notion that the most politically-correct candidate has the best chance of winning, which is why the system is fucked up. The people who can act most perfect win office, and usually the people who do that well are con artists/scammers.
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No offense to anyone but is this supposed to be a big deal? Him doing Nazi re-enactments? So if someone is a confederate in Civil War re-enactments, they're traitors and should never run for political office? Fuck, throw 'em in prison, those bastards!
I realize that because most if not all politicians are scum (probably including this guy), people are constantly on the lookout for signs of their shittiness, but at what point does it go into getting down on people for having unusual hobbies (which many many people have) and being human? It only furthers the notion that the most politically-correct candidate has the best chance of winning, which is why the system is fucked up. The people who can act most perfect win office, and usually the people who do that well are con artists/scammers.
Even though the Confederate side lost, the United States still considers them to be "Americans"...or "brothers".
No offense to anyone but is this supposed to be a big deal? Him doing Nazi re-enactments? So if someone is a confederate in Civil War re-enactments, they're traitors and should never run for political office? Fuck, throw 'em in prison, those bastards!
I realize that because most if not all politicians are scum (probably including this guy), people are constantly on the lookout for signs of their shittiness, but at what point does it go into getting down on people for having unusual hobbies (which many many people have) and being human? It only furthers the notion that the most politically-correct candidate has the best chance of winning, which is why the system is fucked up. The people who can act most perfect win office, and usually the people who do that well are con artists/scammers.
re-enactments are one thing, calling SS "freedom fighters" is another
We salute these idealists; no matter how unsavory the Nazi government was, the front-line soldiers of the Waffen-SS (in particular the foreign volunteers) gave their lives for their loved ones and a basic desire to be free.
while weird, i don't see it as sympathizing with/embracing the nazi party.
let me quote from those guys again:
We salute these idealists; no matter how unsavory the Nazi government was, the front-line soldiers of the Waffen-SS (in particular the foreign volunteers) gave their lives for their loved ones and a basic desire to be free.
as a german i can say that there have been decades of discussions about the involvement of the regular army (Wehrmacht) in the cruelties commited by the Third Reich. the basic outcome is: black sheep are everywhere
but about the crimes the SS commited there's not much doubt - if someone needed to be shot - jews, gypsies, gays, poles, russians or whoever - they were there. let the people dig their own graves and then shot them. everyone who was not arian was an "untermensch" to them. and careful if you agree, you can fall in that category pretty easily.
as someone who lost part of his family due to this war and as someone who is confronted with the unpleasant history of his home country over and over again, i do not take things like this lightly.
as a german i can say that there have been decades of discussions about the involvement of the regular army (Wehrmacht) in the cruelties commited by the Third Reich. the basic outcome is: black sheep are everywhere
but about the crimes the SS commited there's not much doubt - if someone needed to be shot - jews, gypsies, gays, poles, russians or whoever - they were there. let the people dig their own graves and then shot them. everyone who was not arian was an "untermensch" to them. and careful if you agree, you can fall in that category pretty easily.
as someone who lost part of his family due to this war and as someone who is confronted with the unpleasant history of his home country over and over again, i do not take things like this lightly.
well, that certainly does sound like a sympathetic view.
“If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.”
-- Ulysses S. Grant
as a german i can say that there have been decades of discussions about the involvement of the regular army (Wehrmacht) in the cruelties commited by the Third Reich. the basic outcome is: black sheep are everywhere
but about the crimes the SS commited there's not much doubt - if someone needed to be shot - jews, gypsies, gays, poles, russians or whoever - they were there. let the people dig their own graves and then shot them. everyone who was not arian was an "untermensch" to them. and careful if you agree, you can fall in that category pretty easily.
as someone who lost part of his family due to this war and as someone who is confronted with the unpleasant history of his home country over and over again, i do not take things like this lightly.
K good point...I admit I didn't read more into them to see if it was any more than re-enacting, but sounds like it is in which case that's pretty ugh.
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So do people get angry when actors get dressed up?
It may be bad taste, but this is a free country
If you want to wave a conferate flag, go for it
If you want to put a white hood over your head, you have the right.
Regardless of what the germans did during ww2, it wasn't the soldiers, it was the leaders, they were told what to do.
That would be like cussing at the troops that were coming home from Iraq.
Hell my dad gets dressed up for cowboy shooting, and we have a lot of native american in us.
Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that
So do people get angry when actors get dressed up?
It may be bad taste, but this is a free country
If you want to wave a conferate flag, go for it
If you want to put a white hood over your head, you have the right.
Regardless of what the germans did during ww2, it wasn't the soldiers, it was the leaders, they were told what to do.
That would be like cussing at the troops that were coming home from Iraq.
Hell my dad gets dressed up for cowboy shooting, and we have a lot of native american in us.
I think the whole episode is more a reflection of the hypocracy of the TeaBaggers. They has basically racist assholes who thought the world was groovy until a half black was elected POTUS and then go on the rampage of saying he is a Facist, Socialist, ... Now one of em is stupid enough to not try and scrub his website and let his opponent in the race can't find a pic of him smiling like a shit eating dog in a Nazi uniform. No one would be having as much to say of it if he was in a Johnny Reb Outfit, or KKK hood cuz everyone knows they are racist assholes but a NAZI uniform. It willl be sad when the TeaBagger movement fades out cuz ya got to admit, it sure is interesting.
Have you ever seen a "Harley" parked in front of a Physchiatrists Office?
So do people get angry when actors get dressed up?
It may be bad taste, but this is a free country
If you want to wave a conferate flag, go for it
If you want to put a white hood over your head, you have the right.
Regardless of what the germans did during ww2, it wasn't the soldiers, it was the leaders, they were told what to do.
That would be like cussing at the troops that were coming home from Iraq.
Hell my dad gets dressed up for cowboy shooting, and we have a lot of native american in us.
Did anyone here argue that dressing up as a Nazi should be something to get angry about, or that it should be illegal?
Go for it I say...and make sure a picture is taking while doing it too! It just lets the voting public know how weird he is.
So do people get angry when actors get dressed up?
It may be bad taste, but this is a free country
If you want to wave a conferate flag, go for it
If you want to put a white hood over your head, you have the right.
Regardless of what the germans did during ww2, it wasn't the soldiers, it was the leaders, they were told what to do.
That would be like cussing at the troops that were coming home from Iraq.
Hell my dad gets dressed up for cowboy shooting, and we have a lot of native american in us.
It is 100% his right to dress like that. Personally it doesn't bother me. It takes a lot to offend me. However, if you are running for public office and you decide to do something that could be seen as offensive by some, you have to expect that they may speak out about it. After all, it is just as much their right to tell you they didn't like your costume/actions as it is yours to do/wear them.
as a german i can say that there have been decades of discussions about the involvement of the regular army (Wehrmacht) in the cruelties commited by the Third Reich. the basic outcome is: black sheep are everywhere
but about the crimes the SS commited there's not much doubt - if someone needed to be shot - jews, gypsies, gays, poles, russians or whoever - they were there. let the people dig their own graves and then shot them. everyone who was not arian was an "untermensch" to them. and careful if you agree, you can fall in that category pretty easily.
as someone who lost part of his family due to this war and as someone who is confronted with the unpleasant history of his home country over and over again, i do not take things like this lightly.
I'd have to agree that the guy's not too bright.
But there is some truth in his assertion that at least some foreign SS (military) volunteers were (so they believed) fighting for the freedom of their own countries. If you haven't done so already, read up on what life was like Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania between August of 1940 and June of 1941 and you'll appreciate why those people were ready to do a deal with Satan himself if it meant preventing Stalin from coming back.
But there is some truth in his assertion that at least some foreign SS (military) volunteers were (so they believed) fighting for the freedom of their own countries. If you haven't done so already, read up on what life was like Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania between August of 1940 and June of 1941 and you'll appreciate why those people were ready to do a deal with Satan himself if it meant preventing Stalin from coming back.
That sounds like too much work. Ill just call them racist. It is easier that way.
But there is some truth in his assertion that at least some foreign SS (military) volunteers were (so they believed) fighting for the freedom of their own countries. If you haven't done so already, read up on what life was like Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania between August of 1940 and June of 1941 and you'll appreciate why those people were ready to do a deal with Satan himself if it meant preventing Stalin from coming back.
If you had read up on what the SS and Einsatzgruppe A did in Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania then you would understand how truly disgusting his comments are. "Freedom Fighters" do not murder woman and children in the thousands just because they happen to be Jewish or Roma.
Yep, all Jews were killed by Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania Waffen SS troops BEFORE Germans came there. As far as I know, German Nazi were very surprised by the fact that there are no Jews to left to kill.
All 3 mentioned above Baltic countries are very proud with their Nazi SS "freedom fighters". They still have Waffen SS veteran parades. All former Nazi are ci\onsidered as national heroes there.
Here is a Nazi monument in Estonia:
Some more pics:
So while Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania are proud of their Nazi "heroes" the motherfucking tolerant EU is proud to be in the same union with Nazi countries.
Regardless of what the germans did during ww2, it wasn't the soldiers, it was the leaders, they were told what to do.
you are not getting my point. while there's some truth in that for the regular army, being in the SS was volountarily and attracted the hardcore Nazis who were indeed willing participants in what they were doing.
So while Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania are proud of their Nazi "heroes" the motherfucking tolerant EU is proud to be in the same union with Nazi countries.
I think the whole episode is more a reflection of the hypocracy of the TeaBaggers. They has basically racist assholes who thought the world was groovy until a half black was elected POTUS and then go on the rampage of saying he is a Facist, Socialist, ... Now one of em is stupid enough to not try and scrub his website and let his opponent in the race can't find a pic of him smiling like a shit eating dog in a Nazi uniform. No one would be having as much to say of it if he was in a Johnny Reb Outfit, or KKK hood cuz everyone knows they are racist assholes but a NAZI uniform. It willl be sad when the TeaBagger movement fades out cuz ya got to admit, it sure is interesting.
Why are you afraid of people protesting? You don't think they have a good enough reason or is 9.6% unemployment and a 1.3 trillion dollar federal budget deficit ok with you?
Originally posted by kane
It is 100% his right to dress like that. Personally it doesn't bother me. It takes a lot to offend me. However, if you are running for public office and you decide to do something that could be seen as offensive by some, you have to expect that they may speak out about it. After all, it is just as much their right to tell you they didn't like your costume/actions as it is yours to do/wear them.
I agree, let his actions speak for him, but myself, I'm not concerned about it
Originally posted by MaDalton
you are not getting my point. while there's some truth in that for the regular army, being in the SS was volountarily and attracted the hardcore Nazis who were indeed willing participants in what they were doing.
I think what you may not get is that the Nazi's were not the only army to do that.
Think about the population of the native American before the white settlers came, millions died from disease and more from the Indian Wars. Look up wounded knee.
Even the US has had it's military do some pretty gruesome things, or you think that dropping the bomb was a nice thing? It's war and it's the past, you have to embrace what happened or be damned to redo it again
Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that
Sometimes it looks like you can't understand very simple things. These pics from Russia you have posted expose ILLEGAL actions. Nazis are ILLEGAL in Russia, and if you will be caught during Nazi action (parade etc) by police you will be beaten hard and go to jail.
As about Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania, so Nazis are ABSOLUTELY LEGAL there. The Waffen SS veterans have OFFICIAL parades there and they are OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED by government.
Are you really that blind so you can see the difference? Look, these are GERMAN NEO-NAZI:
So what?
Actually I wasn't right when I said that the EU is proud to be in a same union with Nazi countries. It's the EU people who is ok to be in a same union with Nazi. Why? Because:
1) you are believe that the EU is democracy, right?
2) you know what democracy means (if not, you can find the definition of this word in any explanatory dictionary);
3) the EU has accepted Nazi Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania w/o any problems, so it's ok with OFFICIAL Nazi parades, Waffen SS monuments and other Nazi shit there, right?
So (1)+(2)+(3) => the EU people is ok with Nazi. Period.
I think what you may not get is that the Nazi's were not the only army to do that.
Think about the population of the native American before the white settlers came, millions died from disease and more from the Indian Wars. Look up wounded knee.
Even the US has had it's military do some pretty gruesome things, or you think that dropping the bomb was a nice thing? It's war and it's the past, you have to embrace what happened or be damned to redo it again
i'm all for keeping history alive to never forget what happend. i'm all against playing mass murderes on weekends and trivialize crimes against humanity.
i'm all for keeping history alive to never forget what happend. i'm all against playing mass murderes on weekends and trivialize crimes against humanity.
Crimes against humanity have been going on forever, learn from it, the people that do reinactments know more about it then anyone, if they keep the truth alive, then someone won't rewrite it later to make it a lie.
The Mayflower came to the US for religious freedom? Yeah thats the story, but what they really did was control their own religion in a controled enviroment, then landed at Plymouth rock, according to the ships log, because they ran out of beer.
Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that
So do people get angry when actors get dressed up?
It may be bad taste, but this is a free country
If you want to wave a conferate flag, go for it
If you want to put a white hood over your head, you have the right.
Regardless of what the germans did during ww2, it wasn't the soldiers, it was the leaders, they were told what to do.
That would be like cussing at the troops that were coming home from Iraq.
Hell my dad gets dressed up for cowboy shooting, and we have a lot of native american in us.
When you're running for office bad taste is something you can't afford when it alienates or offends the voters. Yes he has the right to do what he wants, but the voters whose votes he is counting on has the right to vote for his opponent if they feel outraged by his actions
“If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.”
-- Ulysses S. Grant
Originally Posted by alessergod
I think the whole episode is more a reflection of the hypocracy of the TeaBaggers. They are basically racist assholes who thought the world was groovy until a half black was elected POTUS and then go on the rampage of saying he is a Facist, Socialist, ... Now one of em is stupid enough to not try and scrub his website and let his opponent in the race can't find a pic of him smiling like a shit eating dog in a Nazi uniform. No one would be having as much to say of it if he was in a Johnny Reb Outfit, or KKK hood cuz everyone knows they are racist assholes but a NAZI uniform. It willl be sad when the TeaBagger movement fades out cuz ya got to admit, it sure is interesting.
Originally posted by Vendzilla
Why are you afraid of people protesting? You don't think they have a good enough reason or is 9.6% unemployment and a 1.3 trillion dollar federal budget deficit ok with you?
Where in the post does it say anything about protesting? Don't try and outdo the demon and make shit up. What I said is that is hypocitcal to call people Facist/ Socialist, etc and then go act them.
Have you ever seen a "Harley" parked in front of a Physchiatrists Office?
All 3 mentioned above Baltic countries are very proud with their Nazi SS "freedom fighters". They still have Waffen SS veteran parades. All former Nazi are ci\onsidered as national heroes there.
Sadly this is true. Every year veterans of the Latvian Waffen-SS march in Riga to cheering crowds. The march takes place on March 16 and is an official holiday in Latvia called "Latvia Legions Day".
Sadly this is true. Every year veterans of the Latvian Waffen-SS march in Riga to cheering crowds. The march takes place on March 16 and is an official holiday in Latvia called "Latvia Legions Day".
I hope you won't agree that it's not the same thing as ILLEGAL Nazi actions in Russia or... say in Germany. The EU is ok with Nazi shit because it does nothing to stop it in Baltic countries. These guys are more worried about gay parades because everything else doesn't matter.
i officially give up on this thread - i would have so much to say but it's totally useless anyways. i now go outside and try to convince a tree to stop growing.
Where in the post does it say anything about protesting? Don't try and outdo the demon and make shit up. What I said is that is hypocitcal to call people Facist/ Socialist, etc and then go act them.
Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that
Why are you afraid of people protesting? You don't think they have a good enough reason or is 9.6% unemployment and a 1.3 trillion dollar federal budget deficit ok with you?
Where were these people when Bush ran up record deficits? I'll tell you where, glued in front of FOX News masturbating to the Iraq war.
Originally posted by Vendzilla
I think what you may not get is that the Nazi's were not the only army to do that.
Think about the population of the native American before the white settlers came, millions died from disease and more from the Indian Wars. Look up wounded knee.
Even the US has had it's military do some pretty gruesome things, or you think that dropping the bomb was a nice thing? It's war and it's the past, you have to embrace what happened or be damned to redo it again
Dropping a bomb to put an end to the war is a hell of a lot different than setting out to eliminate a race, are you that fucking stupid?
Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that
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