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03-20-2011, 07:37 AM

News is that countries who backed the no fly zone are saying they did not agree to the war.

It looks like some countries feel they were tricked into suporting somthing differtent to what was put forward.

Am I the only one who thinks there is somthing not right about this war?

There are many countries were the leader is treating its people badly, but we look the other way.

So why now?

If he had nukes would we be doing this?

If they did not have oil would we bother?

It feels so suspect.

Mabe it will be over in a day and thats what they are hoping that they will surrender and thats it.

If not what will they do?

will troops end up going in?

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03-20-2011, 07:40 AM

you brits got in over your heads on this one eh.
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03-20-2011, 07:40 AM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...20912320110320

Mullen says stalemate a possibility in Libya

Admiral Mike Mullen, the top U.S. military commander, on Sunday said the end-game of military action in Libya was "very uncertain" and acknowledged it could end in a stalemate with Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. (Reporting by David Morgan; Editing by Paul Simao)

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03-20-2011, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

you brits got in over your heads on this one eh.

we (brits) have had a shady histery with Libya, trading arms and oil (i belive bp was set up on Libya).

also i think the usa has had a shady history too with them.

its all been underhand.

a few weeks ago we were all best mates. now he is suddeenly our enermy.

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03-20-2011, 07:48 AM

BP Agrees Major Exploration and Production Deal with Libya

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7033600

its all about business.

its like all wars, trade is the most important issue.

even ww2 countries were trading with germany.

its just all a load of rubbish to thing its about looking after people.

its about the cash.

i suspect that uk and usa know that they need to suport the ones that will give them access to oil.

its like all these oil rich countries, the people stay poor, its us who get rich from them.

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03-20-2011, 07:49 AM

This is an air and naval war, not a no fly zone; so maybe some people are
now seeing the reality.

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03-20-2011, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by DVTimes

BP Agrees Major Exploration and Production Deal with Libya

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7033600

its all about business.

its like all wars, trade is the most important issue.

even ww2 countries were trading with germany.

its just all a load of rubbish to thing its about looking after people.

its about the cash.

i suspect that uk and usa know that they need to suport the ones that will give them access to oil.

its like all these oil rich countries, the people stay poor, its us who get rich from them.

u.s. gets zero oil from libya. we're lobbing tomahawks on behalf of uk/france.

you're welcome.
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03-20-2011, 07:59 AM

We don't have a pot to piss in at the moment yet we can't help ourselves.
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03-20-2011, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by DVTimes

BP Agrees Major Exploration and Production Deal with Libya

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7033600

its all about business.

its like all wars, trade is the most important issue.

even ww2 countries were trading with germany.

its just all a load of rubbish to thing its about looking after people.

its about the cash.

i suspect that uk and usa know that they need to suport the ones that will give them access to oil.

its like all these oil rich countries, the people stay poor, its us who get rich from them.

Are you really using an article from 2007 to verify your point? REALLY?

BTW, all oil production in Libya has been shut down and will remain shut down until this is settled. The oil companies are loosing billions.

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03-20-2011, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

u.s. gets zero oil from libya. we're lobbing tomahawks on behalf of uk/france.

you're welcome.

the current situation there raises prices of oil for EVERYONE... it's a commodity, it doesn't matter where we actually buy it from....

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03-20-2011, 08:08 AM

Qaddafi loyalist forces get asses kicked from the air invading Benghazi ...

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03-20-2011, 08:14 AM

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the current situation there raises prices of oil for EVERYONE... it's a commodity, it doesn't matter where we actually buy it from....

so what. i know that. you think i haven't noticed the price of gas going up? or the multitude of articles written about that? or the plethora of books written on the economics of oil?

regardless. your comment has nothing to do with the fact i mentioned and how it relates to the comment i was addressing.
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03-20-2011, 08:15 AM

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Qaddafi loyalist forces get asses kicked from the air invading Benghazi ...

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the problem is what we are told and what is the truth is two big things.

do not forget they have some great weapons. mainly as we (UK) supplied them.

i supose its a win win for the uk. if we loose at least we can claim it was due to them having great wepons. plus we can sell them more as they will need them. mabe this is just to encourage them to buy more arms from us.

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03-20-2011, 08:20 AM

there is a great film were all the tv news crews are in Iraq at the start of the war.

They have this US chap from the army, who everyone loves. he is the usa army spoksman for the media.

during the film all the stations are reporting that the usa has captured a bridge and a town in Iraq.

a local expert says, grab a map. he says where is the bridge in the town. it does not exsist.

all the media had reported what they had been told. but non even thought about looking at a map.

yes the usa had got the town. but they added the bridge to make it sound an even bigger victory.

and thats the problem. the uk, usa and others will have the army report all great stuff.

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03-20-2011, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

so what. i know that. you think i haven't noticed the price of gas going up? or the multitude of articles written about that? or the plethora of books written on the economics of oil?

regardless. your comment has nothing to do with the fact i mentioned and how it relates to the comment i was addressing.

the oil price is a con too.

a few years ago they had all the oil tankers parked out to sea near the uk, as there was some issues with oil and wanted to make it more expensive.

its one big con.

but we get suckered into it.

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03-20-2011, 08:30 AM

Belly up - just like all the other wars that the US have fought in the last decades.

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03-20-2011, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

u.s. gets zero oil from libya. we're lobbing tomahawks on behalf of uk/france.

you're welcome.

Oil is a fungible good. If the supply to whoever actually buys direct from Libya dries up then the price worldwide goes up to cover it.

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03-20-2011, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam

Qaddafi loyalist forces get asses kicked from the air invading Benghazi ...

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This may not take all that long ...

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Iraq and Afghanistan looked way worse than that and look how long that drug out.

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03-20-2011, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by ottopottomouse

Oil is a fungible good. If the supply to whoever actually buys direct from Libya dries up then the price worldwide goes up to cover it.

again, so what. that has nothing to do with my comment. so no need for the economics lesson.
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03-20-2011, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

again, so what. that has nothing to do with my comment. so no need for the economics lesson.

Your comment was

Originally posted by dyna mo

u.s. gets zero oil from libya. we're lobbing tomahawks on behalf of uk/france.

you're welcome.

Sounding like you think the US is attacking Libya purely for the benefit of UK/France.

Libya produces 2% of the worlds oil. Cut that supply and worldwide prices go up 2.5% overnight. That's why I replied what I did as America still has a financial interest in getting Libyan oil supplies going again.

Seem to be arguing with you a lot this week which is unusual. You been doing lines of the radioactive dust coming in off the Pacific, or have I sat in the sun too much?

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03-20-2011, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by ottopottomouse

Your comment was

Sounding like you think the US is attacking Libya purely for the benefit of UK/France.

Libya produces 2% of the worlds oil. Cut that supply and worldwide prices go up 2.5% overnight. That's why I replied what I did as America still has a financial interest in getting Libyan oil supplies going again.

Seem to be arguing with you a lot this week which is unusual. You been doing lines of the radioactive dust coming in off the Pacific, or have I sat in the sun too much?

i wass thinking the same thing re: arguing w/you, lolz. was gonna ask if someone else is on yer nic, hah.

my comment was based on the view that this is being led by uk/france, reason being they have the MOST to gain or lose. since we do not deal directly with libya, we can and are taking a 2ndary role. but due to the fact we are all partners nato- nato partners support nato partners, we can't not participate. not to mention like it or not, the u.s. is the leader of the free world and as such, expected to play a role.

frankly, it's all fucking stupid.
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03-20-2011, 10:30 AM

i mean it's not like france can't kick libya's ass right? oh wait. hmmmmmm.
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03-20-2011, 10:59 AM

Really?

A bunch of old MIGS? "the first prototype flew in 1964 with entry into service in 1970"

The French are using Rafael stealth fight jets.
The Americans are using B-2 stealth bombers.

Qaddafi brings a baseball bat to a gunfight ...

Time will tell. What really counts is how these "rebels" are able to regroup ...

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03-20-2011, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by dyna mo

i mean it's not like france can't kick libya's ass right? oh wait. hmmmmmm.

stereotype of France is that they like surrendering. But historically they have been in A LOT of wars (mind you historically the uk seems to have fought just about everybody )

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03-20-2011, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by ottopottomouse

stereotype of France is that they like surrendering. But historically they have been in A LOT of wars (mind you historically the uk seems to have fought just about everybody )

most gfyers like to poke a finger at usa, i figured i'd mix it up a bit with another stereotype.
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03-20-2011, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by dyna mo

most gfyers like to poke a finger at usa, i figured i'd mix it up a bit with another stereotype.

Most americans on gfy seem to think the only country in the world that matters is the US.

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03-20-2011, 01:00 PM

Gadafi needs to be wiped out. I hope he surrenders and this ends quickly, but the fucker is obviously out of his mind. I fully support all counties involved in helping the rebel forces.

There are many countries were the leader is treating its people badly, but we look the other way.

So why now?

1. People in Libya are revolting and the need help.

2. Gadafi isn't just treating his people badly, he is murdering them on live television.

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03-20-2011, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by dyna mo

u.s. gets zero oil from libya. we're lobbing tomahawks on behalf of uk/france.

you're welcome.

lol ... what a simple mind .....

If the oil thsat Libya supplies to France , Italy, UK ... is no longer available , those countries will get it somewhere else, whic is on the market, putting pressure upwards..

Stop wrapping your self in your flag or wave it .. Last that did that failed in 1945 ...

I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....
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03-20-2011, 01:30 PM

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Gadafi needs to be wiped out. I hope he surrenders and this ends quickly, but the fucker is obviously out of his mind. I fully support all counties involved in helping the rebel forces.

1. People in Libya are revolting and the need help..

So you went in Iraq because the people were revolting ... ?
I dont think so ...

And id you encourage Iran to support the " rebels " against those that were killing the population... ?
I dont think so ...

Originally posted by J. Falcon

2. Gadafi isn't just treating his people badly, he is murdering them on live television.

The USA murdered kids on live TV ....

I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....
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03-20-2011, 01:36 PM

dude is a war master. he's been in power as long as i can remember.

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03-20-2011, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by directfiesta

lol ... what a simple mind .....

If the oil thsat Libya supplies to France , Italy, UK ... is no longer available , those countries will get it somewhere else, whic is on the market, putting pressure upwards..

Stop wrapping your self in your flag or wave it .. Last that did that failed in 1945 ...

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03-20-2011, 02:14 PM

Awwww

Libya declares new immediate ceasefire

Over? Or, is Qaddafi playing games again ...

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03-20-2011, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by dyna mo

i mean it's not like france can't kick libya's ass right? oh wait. hmmmmmm.

Don't believe all you hear - this is very much a Sarko-driven incentive to win back the Arab World after France's fuckup in Tunisia, from day one.

I'm in quite a unique position from most here in that I'm listening to the French media and the UK media and well, there are very different messages:

The French media is reporting nothiing on bombing tanks yet saying it took out command and control centres in its sortées that would be used for Libyan air strikes if left in place. The UK media is actively reporting tanks being blown up (wtf has that to do with a no FLY zone) and pro-Gaddafi supporter casualties.

I wouldn't trust a single word spoken in the French media as even the independents are under a tight leash... NOTHING and I mean nothing was even uttered about Gaddafi's claim that he supported Sarkosi's election campaign. If the French media was independent they would have at least reported that massive claim, but then blasted the possible impossibility of it.

A no fly zone enforcement - 100%. Aiding the resistance more than that, I'm open for debate. Flat out wiping out the power in place, no way.

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part of Gaddafi's complex destroyed in recent sortés - wtf is this? OK, sure he can control things from this place, but how can this be justified under a "No-fly zone enforced coalition"?

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03-20-2011, 07:37 PM

nawww false alarm

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