Nathan / Fabian - Please step inside. Time to step up to the plate.

Now that is something that is unknown. Hell that's how Freeones gets all their signups is from people searching for models names on search engines. Difference is they know how to put together a page that sells memberships. Nathan doesn't.

But conversely...I can't prove that I don't get a shit ton of type in traffic from those videos either. Especially since Pornhub's guys don't have a clue how to market. (just look at that page with my video on it...no way that's ever gonna sell)

Hell, that's why I still leave them up there. The thought of a few people watching the vids...and then typing in claudia-marie in google and hitting my link in the number one spot and denying Nathan a sale kinda warms my heart.

Don't get me wrong...if the guy had a clue how to do what I do as far as being an affiliate then he COULD be making a fortune just on selling paysite memberships. But he's a programmer. Not a pornographer or a promoter. His skills aren't in sales, entertainment, and understanding how that all comes together. So he leaves millions of dollars lying on the table.

Oh, Snap!!!

ADG

No editorial rights, and to be as protected in the tos as the law permits.

You get 13464 type-ins in 15 minutes to claudia-marie.com? Or you talking about some other site? 1.3 million type ins a day?! Or you mean 7 type-in signup in 15 minutes? 672 type in signups a DAY? All of claudia-marie.com does not even get 100k hits a DAY man... what are you talking about...

Or do you have some site with a traffic rank of 1500 or less on alexa hidden somewhere? Definitely not grampland.com or claudia-marie.com

Gee wiz, never thought about that before.

I stopped trying to work with their tubes before Nathan was in the picture. Never was able to get a video up there. Oddly, 100s of my videos would get put up my someone else who usually have over 1000 submissions in a short period of time.

That said, I have tried working with some honest tubes, and even a few dishonest ones, and I wasn't impressed with the results. I know some guys can work them with results, but I have not seen success. However, their success could also be relative. What is great for them may be horrible for me. Just the same as my greatest day ever in sales would probably cause Pimp Roll Dave to commit suicide.


I don't have a problem with tubes. I only have a problem with tubes who steal my videos, over and over and over again. I have a problem with people who devalue my content. And I have a real problem with them when they are arrogant pricks about it.



Right. The honest people should just "deal with it" and let everyone just ass fuck them. We shouldn't even bust the balls of those who are criminals or who have literally ruined the entire industry. Better to bend over and take it. Why even fight it? I mean fuck, Robbie, you just wasted all your time protecting your video stream, and so did I, we should have just continued to get hammered from behind.

Good logic.

I had to admit, you guys really lucked out with DMCA.

Anyone can create a total criminal enterprise with 100% stolen content and so long as they show no editorial control and remove any infringing video/photo if notified, you get free content and get to profit from it. Seriously, this is the best business model in the history of business models.

However, it is still unethical and built on thievery.

You slithering behind DMCA is the same as a person not paying taxes to the IRS but they don't avoid them and continue to file simply so they don't get brought up on tax evasion charges. Meaning, they use the existing law to do things they shouldn't be doing.

Slavery was once legal too. That doesn't mean those who owned slaves and beat them daily were doing the right thing simply because it was legal to own Negros. But they did it anyway. And that's the the sort of issue that divides the ethical people from the unethical people.

Robbie, are you taking into account that a significant part of those type-ins you get could be people that viewed your videos on Pornhub or other tubes and then typed your URL in the browser? Your videos have been viewed 2.1 mln times and that can be considered good branding. You didn't get many sales from the link above the video (thus saving you affiliate payouts to PH), but users can view your watermark and go from there. You can't track it, but you can't deny it.

True, hes got you there, you can't quantify the value you got from that kind of exposure and branding.

Why not just be a good guy and make uploaders agree to something like this...

...before they are allowed to upload?

So if i were to start a tube site and say put it in my TOS

by using our service to view videos you claim copyright ownership of, you agree to put all your content into the public domain, that should supercede all laws including the DMCA.

you do realize that if i were allowed to do that, the safe harbor provision would be turned into a trap that forces you to put all your shit into the public domain.

no copyright holder would be able to make a valid takedown request EVER

because a valid take down request requires you to identify the video exactly confirm that you have viewed it enough to know that it is not fair use, and declare that you own the copyright holder ,


you would meet all the conditions that my TOS requirement that you put all your content into the public domain.

and since i don't have to obey any take down request that is invalid, i wouldn't have to take the content down either.


That type of action would be just as invalid as when microsoft tried to take away backup rights and forced people to pay them 19.95 for replacement media of their software.

Microsoft lost their case , and i would lose mine.

actually technically because the DMCA says you must declare you have a good faith belief i might actually win (have the right to blanket ignore all your takedowns) because as long as you keep claiming the TOS supercedes the laws, there is no way you could ever have a good faith belief that content infringes your copyright, because you would believe (wrongly) that the instant you made your complaint your content would be in the public domain, and the uploader would therefore would be fully authorized to upload it.

or your just to clueless to realize how to properly sell your shit on the new medium

you need to change your content so that it matches the medium.

personally if i were NAT

i would put the if you view it you must put it in the public domain trap clause in TOS just to see how many of you guys would argue that TOS supercedes DMCA when it used against you.


and how many of you guys would backpeddle like little bitches argueing that would not be valid for some made up reason.

As you can see...I already covered that. As for their "branding"...Claudia-Marie.Com was already the number one alexa ranked traffic site for big tit girls in the world before pornhub was around. I have never had problems with branding. Also, since people are deliberately looking for her vids on pornhub...I don't think that they are bringing that many NEW eyes to her. Just old ones that want to see if there's any free vids of her.

Damn this is GREAT! I shoulda done it long ago!

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