Nathan / Fabian - Please step inside. Time to step up to the plate.

This thread seems to be going in circles.

DMCA law (or any law for that matter) supersedes our TOS.

so then start a tube site, take my submission and claim that your removeing them because i am a visable minority

see how quickly i win that lawsuit.

microsoft could not TOS away backup rights


and there was no free speech arguement to worry about

and you think a porn site is going to get away with it


if they censored a legit post they most certainly get sued, just because they wouldn't lose the safe harbor provision or go to jail doesn't mean there is zero liablity.



wtf are you talking about the pirate bay never begged for DMCA protection, they claimed what they were doing was non infringing based on swedish law.

swedish law doesn't have a take down process like america

they got convicted for contributing to infringement for something where the evidence didn't even prove they were involved at all (DHT was turn on).

I have to agree with you. If you're gonna be the bad guy, own it and be the bad guy. You have to respect someone who walks it like he talks it. I don't have to agree with your business model, but for fuck sake, man up to what you're doing and tell it like it is.

But don't keep blowing smoke up everyone's ass while trying to convince them it's not smoke because we're all too stupid to even know what smoke is. That is where you lose all respect and make me want to smash a brick on the side of your head. I hate pansies with every fiber of my being. Grow a pair.

The part you do not seem to understand is that a ton of studios are uploading their own content to our tubes. A bunch of amateurs are uploading their own content to our tubes, and yes, some users claim they are from company X and they upload the companie's own content but in fact it is not true. THIS is why DMCA exists. Becuase WE should not be held accountable for users lieing to us and should not need the burden on us to prove every single submission is ok. So sure, we might know that someone DEFINATELY NOT EMPLOYED OR CONTRACTED by a studio is not allowed to uploaded content XYZ, _BUT_ if they claim they are, we can NOT "know very well". This is why we use Vobile, this is why we follow DMCA, to make it as easy as possible for studios to make sure content they never want to see there either never gets there or easily can be removed.

I disagree, I am sorry, but I do. We help more companies than we hurt. By far. We have hundreds of studios submitting content. We license millions worth of content from studios. We are implementing Vobile. We are not target specific competitors to take them out of business, that's complete bullshit. We work with a ton of our competitors, a ton of them are good friends of ours. The people bitching around here would bitch even if I turned off the tubes, they would start bitching about moviebox giving users access to too much content for a low fee and they can not compete, they would be bitching about brazzers paying too much for ad spots so they can not compete, they would be bitching that we are not fair to affiliates for some reason. They always find something, because all they can do is bitch.

Nobody would win against us in court, because we ARE NOT BREAKING ANY LAWS. We also did not do any weird deals with Vobile or FSC. We pay quite a bit of money to Vobile every single month to even use their system, both for brazzers/mofos and for the tubes! Also, Vobile is NOT too expensive! It's NOT something people "could never afford to use", that's just rediculous. It adds a TINY premium on top of exclusively produced content.

Most importantly, your continous bullshit about us ripping other people's content.. WE DO NOT. We do not upload content we do not license directly, we do not rip members areas, we do not steal content. Other tubes we know very well that they do, but WE DO NOT.

DWB you're right.

And for the second time I'm gonna have to admit to being a hypocrite. I kept gideongallery around because he made me laugh. But I have to follow my own code so I was forced to put him on ignore.

He's a clown and doesn't have the abilities to ever be able to enable me to make money with him. So off to IGNORE he went.

Nathan/Fabian is the same damn thing. A clown who won't make a dime for me. He's useless and has no knowledge of this business. I almost choked on my soda when he said HE is going to lecture to US about the DMCA law!!!

He's been a "managing partner" for a few months and he's an expert? But he can't answer any questions? LOL! Fucking clown!

Goodbye Nathan/Fabian. You were insignificant before and now you return there because you don't exist to me. Welcome to my ignore list.

Ouch, that hurts, I do not exist for Robbie :/ poor me...

Where in DMCA does it say that you can't boot a user and his submission for any or no reason, and why aren't you telling the uploaders the same as you tell here?

Curious, when one of your users loads a video onto one of your sites of a minor, do you just ban him, or do you just delete that one video, or delete all of his videos? Since a minor is involved, I would expect a different reaction than to a copyright issue.

Eh.... maybe more like concentric ovoids; the same points approached from a slightly different angle in each subsequent repitition.

Or maybe it's like the message board version of the instructions on a shampoo bottle: "blather, rinse, repeat." ;-)

I could remove your movies for ANY reason, if you agreed to that contract between us. Any private company or individual running a website or service can set their own rules and limit free speech. They can say "you are not granted unlimited backup "rights" on our servers" (ie they can also remove it for NO or ANY reason if they agreed). In case you didn't know, that's called a legal contract. You would not win any lawsuit, because you signed the contract.

That is exactly what it is. I know for myself, I enjoy watching Nathan's replies and how he dances around. We place bets here in the office on what he will say to boogie around a topic. "The Nathan Side Step" we call it. Almost better than playing Call Of Duty.

But most of all I enjoy wasting his time. He'll never get that back and it's the one thing I can steal from him with no recourse. Every minute he wastes on GFY being a smart ass and not spending time with his family, is a stolen minute. It's one more minute stolen from his life. He'll regret all the time he spent here later on. It's the least I can do for all the time I've wasted sending DMCAs to his sites. I render videos while I post so I'm still being productive, so no skin off my back.

Everyone who posts in these threads knows nothing will change. It never does. But we all love to waste his time and enjoy watching him dance. He's quite the ballerina.

DWB and Robbie why dont you stop wasting your time and try to work with Nathan?

He could send you both serious sales and traffic.
Tubes are going no where. They have sucked up all the traffic that 10000's of little tgps used to control.
Deal with it.

Already tried that. I put up 6 videos (pornhub is an affiliate of mine). The videos together have so far been viewed 2,131,924 times over the last 9 months.

From all those views on pornhub it has sent a TOTAL of 13464 uniques and SEVEN signups in NINE MONTHS.

I get more than that in type-ins in 15 minutes.

Do you think I haven't already checked all of this out, and I'm just talking out of my ass? Well, I'm not. This is a business and I'm damn good at making money at it. Pornhub is USELESS to sell paysite memberships off of the videos.

Two reasons...
1. They don't know how to promote it (the page is so full of pre-paid ads that you can't see the trees for the forest of spammy shit...also there's nothing to promote the actual site but a TINY text link above the vid)

2. The people that go to Pornhub have now been conditioned to think that they don't have to pay for porn anymore.

Here is one of my vids on pornhub...see for yourself...I can get more traffic to the site from the lowliest blog post than all of pornhub can send:

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1028809565

I wonder of those seven signups how many are just surfers who typed your main terms in google and clicked on the pornhub link to see what they could get for free before signing up. That is, people who probably would have bought a membership anyway.