Nathan / Fabian - Please step inside. Time to step up to the plate.

owning a hosting type site is significantly different then owning a link list or a tgp.

you remove a link your only reducing traffic your not censoring anyone, the persons content is still up on their own server.

the host taking the site down (which tube sites have to comply with since that the whole point of getting DMCA protection) has completely different liablities. The act of taking down the content actually censors the free speach associated with it.

so your totally wrong again.

your the guy who hires a divorce lawyer to do your copyright lawsuits
i would not trust the legal advice your giving.

gideongallery...you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

I haven't hired any "divorce" lawyer. lol

The guy I have taking care of collecting money for me is the same guy doing it for Hustler.

You are a complete moron.

Now get the fuck out of here! TheDoc OWNS YOU. He already proved that you are full of shit and you are his bitch.

Now please let the adults talk.

hahahahahaha. See - I can't say that on GFY but I wanted to as free speech says I am allowed to, as long as I'm not inciting violence or something.

Surely what gets put up *on a private website* has the means to be vetted and edited and deleted according to the rules of the owner of that private website.

Shit, this isn't Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park we're talking about...

Robbie,

as I have said, I will be talking to our lawyers about the subject and react accordingly.

If you think that is not reasonable, then so be it.

BTW, Robbie, just because 10 or so people on GFY complain about us, TopBucks or FSC regarding this subject, does not mean the world hates us. We have many many people working with us from this industry. You might not like that but thats how it is.

Also, your continued tries to claim that you are somehow special in your knowledge of the adult entertainment industry and that I am somehow not allowed to know anything about it since I am "just a programmer" are getting ridiculous. You are not special, I am not special.

signupdamnit, thx for the reasonable and constructive posts.

Fabian, I never said anybody was "special"

I merely said your expertise is NOT in what you are currently being presented to the world to be.

You are a programmer. You have never and will never be a true pornographer. Just as I have never and will never be a programmer. You don't even know how things work yet. You're just being told and doing what you're told by a few different people obviously.

That's cool.

Even now you're double talking. You are an amazing character. YouTube's rules and how they do it were just pointed out to you.

But yet you can't understand that. You must ask your lawyers if it's legal to take down a video? Get the fuck out of here!

If you don't already know the answer to that is "yes, you can" then that just goes to show that you don't have a clue about what you're doing. That's why you can't seem to answer much of anything.

If you look back at your posts you are always telling people that you need to "find out" about specific questions.

Brother...I know EVERY detail of what I do and my company does.

And before you start telling me how "big" your company is... Bottom line is you have Brazzers, a few dead tgps, and some tube sites. If you think that's just too massive for you to have knowledge of everything...then I'm sorry. I know I would.

I personally think that the real folks there know exactly how things work and exactly what to have you say.

But IF I'm crazy, and IF a programmer for NATS somehow came up with millions of dollars to buy a company in the middle of a worldwide economic crisis AND being sued AND having the govt. come after them....well, in that case I suggest you stop posting and go LEARN your damn business and your company.

assuming that 1998 videos that were not DMCA down are automatically infringing is not the same thing as blocking something that violates TOS.

The point is proof, you word got blocked because it is proven to be a violation of the TOS (it a banned word)

a porn tube acts as a host (it has too to get the safe harbor provision) so consider that when you define the "privat website" should a host of say claudia-marie.com be allowed to take down the site willy nilly with no consequences simply because think she is old and flabby (doesn't get them hard in robbie's quote).

should robbie be denied the right to sue for the damages cause by that willy nilly takedown.


that the point, nat right, the rules are different then a board, a tgp, a link list,

they are more akin to what a hosting provider has to do, and if you believe that robbie host can simply take down his domain willy nilly with no consequence you are sadly mistake.

Robbie, you are hilarious...

I am not going to answer until I have talked to my lawyers about it, that's just how it is, accept it or not, I do not care. There is reasons for why I do it this way, and you will have to just accept this, it's in the end, none of your business how I get this done. I am saying I am getting it done though...

You know _NOTHING_ about me, you know _NOTHING_ about the lawsuits against Mansef, you know _NOTHING_ about Manwin... That is the only stuff you make blatantly obvious here. I have no need to explain myself to you. Just because I own a company, does not mean I know every single little detail about every single little aspect of the way it runs.

We own far more than "Brazzers, a few dead tgps and some tube sites"... I fully understand that you, running your small website(s) does not understand the scale of this, and the reasons for why I do not know all the ins and outs by heart and I do not blame you, we are completely different kinds of people. As you said, you are a true pornographer. Sure, I do not shoot content myself, I do nolonger code myself, I nolonger setup websites myself, I simply do not have the time for that nor would it be feasible in such a big corporation. But this is something you as a true pornographer will never understand. Simply because you do not see the bigger picture here.

BTW, regarding your "worldwide economoic crisis" ... do you realize that because of this crisis, there is a TON of money flowing around just LOOKING for someone to take it because all the funds out there have lost the places to invest in? Should think about that a little, if you can. Very few people here understand the mechanics of the deals that I have made, but trust me, its doable, and I'm continuing to do them. Obviously I could sit here and spell it all out for you, but honestly, I have no need to justify myself towards you. It might piss me off that you can not wrap your head around the process and therefor are making false claims, but this rant will have to do... since it's none of your business.

As I also said before, you know NOTHING about the lawsuits against Mansef. I spent days on just those lawsuits before I signed the purchase agreement. And I can assure you, _I_ know more about it than you.

Obsess much? Now get out of here. TheDoc is STILL waiting for your email months and months later. Get out of here you attention whore. TheDoc OWNS you.

OK, I admit I'm no tin this field to know the ins and outs of DMCA - never said I did, but the hosting analogy seems wrong. If I was doing something illegal with my server, the ISP would be the first to know and they'd shut me off, right? I then went back to that ISP and got a new server and did the same, they'd shut me off again. The third time, they'd probably not take my business at all since they knew I was only in it to do things illegally.

Same with the law of my land and ADOPI.

For someone that claims to know everything about DMCA law you are completely hoping that no one in here is aware of the "counter claim" provision of the DMCA. Your "user" in this case could counter-claim for the other 1000 videos and you could restore them.

Case closed.

What's great is we're getting a lot of statements from you on the record. Keep 'em coming sucker.

Hey Fabian...should I post the newspaper articles from Montreal where O U I S S A M, Manos and Keezer have to live with 24 hour armed security and how much their neighbors can't stand to live in the neighborhood anymore because of them?

Yeah you guys are really popular. Idiot.

How's the money laundering case going?

1. You're right it is none of my business. And you have every right to say so.

2.. I don't know anything about the day to day business of that company. But I have forgotten more about how to run my own companies than you have ever learned.

3. You absolutely don't have to explain yourself to me...BUT you damn sure should know that company inside and out. It ain't that big. A lot of money? Yeah. But actual work to be done and scope...YES you can know all about it.

4. No, you don't own "far more" than Brazzers, a few dead tgps, and some tube sites. That IS your entire adult business. You would think you at least understand that.

5. I've been running my own multi-million dollar adult companies since the mid 1990's when you were...who knows? And on through when you were an EMPLOYEE of NATS in the 2000's. Up until right now where you are still an employee sent here to be the scapegoat. How's that working out for ya?

6. The "mechanics" of the deals "you" made? Whatever Fabian. I can guarantee you I've bought and sold more shit than YOU have ever dreamed of in your little worker bee life. Especially real estate holdings I've bought and sold with money I've made from adult. I'm very much aware of what it takes to get those loans and the amount of money I had to have in my account and in annual income to be able to secure a Jumbo loan. I doubt VERY seriously you've ever made that kind of money in your entire life programmer. But if you say so...

As you said back at "1" It's none of my business


So let's just keep it to what I DO know. You CAN take down those videos. You ARE making Top Bucks/Pink Visual and the FSC look like fools. And you are making money off of stolen content.

I'll leave you alone. Again, I hope only the best for you and Brazzers. And I hope at the same time complete and utter ruin for you and Pornhub.
Enjoy yourself with this whole thing.

the counter claim provision of the DMCA is for counter claims to takedown requests.

Your asking him to take down the content WITHOUT the takedown request.

if you think otherwise why don't you back the cost of lawsuit that may happen .

gideon thedoc is looking for you. He OWNS you.