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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942

    #1

    Posing, framing and producing content that converts and retains.

    Was asked recently by one of the top sites to review their site. So did so in terms of the content. Also by a couple of the up and coming sites. The reviews I did and still doing were sent to the owners so they could improve their content.

    So here's some basic tips for shooters to improve the appeal of their content.

    Posing for stills. There are 26 basic solo poses. Shoot them while the model is dressed, undressing and naked will give easily double the number of shots to 52. Making her turn 45 degrees to the left or right for each of them will double it again 104. Shooting her looking at the camera and away will add another 20 shots. Shooting some with half body will add a few more. Shooting close ups a few more. The shooter moving from side to side of his key lights will change the back ground and add a few more. In fact shooting a set of 200 different poses/images is easy if you know how.

    So shooting a set with the same pose over and over again is unforgivable and amateur in the terms of the shooter not having a clue.

    The same goes for girl/girl and boy/girl. The poses are different, the need for variation is paramount.

    To solve this is easy. What ever niche you're shooting make up a posing book. Two folders of clear plastic pages in which can be inserted 2 pictures back to back. Arranged in progression from start to finish. These folders can bought at any good stationary store. Or you could store the images on a lap top and display them with ACDSee.



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  • ottopottomouse
    She is ugly, bad luck.
    • Jan 2010
    • 13177

    #2
    A thread about poses with no examples?
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    • Paul Markham
      Too old to care
      • Jun 2001
      • 52942

      #3
      Portrait and landscape framing. Far far too many images I saw were in portrait framing. With surfers having wide screens it's wrong. Learn to pose models and shoot landscape. Poses with the girls standing over and over again are BAD. It means the image is auto shrunk to 1/2 or even 1/4 of the original size or having it so large the viewer needs to scroll up and down, which is terrible.

      Again study the poses available. There are far more poses than just standing up. Kneeling, squatting, sitting on her heels, sitting on one leg with the other foot on the floor and the knee up, sitting open leg. And then all the laying poses and on all fours. Again no excuse for bad posing. Compile that posing book.

      Focusing, exposure and depth of field. With so many images going larger and larger the clarity of the large image is essential. Focusing, exposure and depth of field need to be spot on. It's nice and artistic to get images in low light with candles or lights or a fire showing in the back ground. But it takes real skill to get it right on an image 1500x3000 pixels. Most of what I saw were out of focus at that size. If you're aiming at a soft diffused image use a diffuser lens or filter.



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      • Jarmusch
         
        • May 2003
        • 12479

        #4
        Originally posted by ottopottomouse
        A thread about poses with no examples?
        You want to see 80's girls posing?

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        • Paul Markham
          Too old to care
          • Jun 2001
          • 52942

          #5
          Originally posted by ottopottomouse
          A thread about poses with no examples?
          Coming soon. The problem is there are so many to show. Will need to do a story board.

          Here's a few of my thumbnail pages.

          I rarely shot all the images available, though you can see the variation I aim for.

          http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.php?id=923

          http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.php?id=1212

          http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.php?id=1240

          I was also shooting for magazines which are A4 format and more suited to portrait framing. And were picking 20 images max out of a set of 120+. Still more landscape and variation than many shooters I would wager.

          I learnt by listening to editors and other shooters about how to improve my techniques and sales. We don't get a lot of feed back on the Net.

          Jarmusch little has changed with posing since the 80s. And these examples were all shot in this decade and all made far far more for me as a shooter than any custom set ever made. Posing isn't styles or niches. But even in amateur there's no excuse for bad limited posing.

          http://www.bargainbasementcontent.co....php?id=500144

          Fewer pics but still lots of poses. Stop the hate and start to think.



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          • Paul Markham
            Too old to care
            • Jun 2001
            • 52942

            #6
            Videos If you don't shoot images landscape with the girl standing. So why do so many shoot a wide screen video with her standing? It ends up being a nice view of the location and the girl in 25% of the available screen. Not good.

            After the initial intro she has to be sitting, laying, squatting or doggy to get her to fill the frame. Some close ups of her standing are great, but limiting mostly. Takes some real skills to pull that of for 5 minutes of a 10 minute video.

            There are lots of variations on a position a girl can be in with her filling the frame. Talk it over with her first and make sure she understands your hand signals or just tell her and edit it out. I use to have a hand signal for just about everything. From standing to fucking herself with a vibrator or fingers.

            Standing was me raising my hand, sitting lowering it, laying sweeping it from left to right. The person with the camera directs the girl. Not tries to keep up with her movements. That way ends up with her going out of shot. Fucking herself with a vibrator, use your imagination.

            Some shooters stop between video shots, direct the model to what she should do next and carry on. Can be done by those who know how to shoot content that can be edited. Nightmare to edit it if shot wrong and get the scene to flow. When a video sequence stops then start again, you can tell how the shooter is working. If you want to work like that, change the angle and framing by zooming in then opening back up between sequences.

            In my experience it's off putting for all but the best models. It disturbs their flow and they get frustrated by it. Sometimes I use to tell the models to keep going while I moved to a new position, gave them instructions on their next position and the whole thing flowed more.



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            • ottopottomouse
              She is ugly, bad luck.
              • Jan 2010
              • 13177

              #7
              Originally posted by Jarmusch
              You want to see 80's girls posing?
              Even hairy munters will illustrate what he is trying to explain.
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              • Paul Markham
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                • Jun 2001
                • 52942

                #8
                Originally posted by ottopottomouse
                Even hairy munters will illustrate what he is trying to explain.
                Hairy pussy sells. Then shave it and earn even more. LOL

                If pictures illustrated what I'm trying to explain why do so many get it wrong?



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                • charlie g
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                  • Aug 2006
                  • 2759

                  #9
                  Thanks Paul. I ALWAYS appreciate your wisdom and you have helped me become better at taking dirty pictures. I can't understand the bs people post in your threads, but not everybody feels that way.

                  On a side note, I have sold all my work so far except a few really bad movies. When I get about 20 decent I will hit you up and we can talk about the store.

                  Again, Thanks for spreading your wisdom... some of us are listening and learning
                  AlanAgus1 at gmail dot com
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                  • charlie g
                    Confirmed User
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 2759

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jarmusch
                    You want to see 80's girls posing?
                    Yeah, I do. I was in my late teens early 20's in the 80's. Chicks shaved raw with chicken bumps on her cooch dont do it for me.
                    AlanAgus1 at gmail dot com
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                    • Paul Markham
                      Too old to care
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 52942

                      #11
                      Originally posted by charlie g
                      Thanks Paul. I ALWAYS appreciate your wisdom and you have helped me become better at taking dirty pictures. I can't understand the bs people post in your threads, but not everybody feels that way.

                      On a side note, I have sold all my work so far except a few really bad movies. When I get about 20 decent I will hit you up and we can talk about the store.

                      Again, Thanks for spreading your wisdom... some of us are listening and learning
                      Look at the signature of the haters and judge for yourself.

                      Good content (what ever the niche) makes the viewer sit up and take notice, makes his dick hard, makes him want more, makes him follow a link, makes him consider buying, makes more traffic and a lot more conversions. Plus retention and selling him onto more.

                      Bad content makes him move on fast.

                      Even on Tubes when it's given away, bad content sucks. Do all those views = happy punters or people who moved on fast?



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                      • ottopottomouse
                        She is ugly, bad luck.
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 13177

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                        If pictures illustrated what I'm trying to explain why do so many get it wrong?
                        Without pictures everybody will interpret your words differently.
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                        • Paul Markham
                          Too old to care
                          • Jun 2001
                          • 52942

                          #13
                          Moving around when shooting. It's not only the models who can move around, the shooter can as well. With stills the lighting needs to be adjusted, with video unless it's high quality production it's possible to move around the model and get different angles, views on the same action. An assistant with a light on the end of a boom is helpful. Adjusting the exposure also works.

                          Remember never ever shoot into the light. Especially the sun. Unless you really know what you're doing.

                          When I was shooting video for mail order, I have to be honest and say I shot a lot from the front and rarely moved. I was selling in a market with 5 companies and times have changed. Even the smallest of micro niches today have up to 10 times that many site in. Major niches it runs into 100s of times more.

                          Think a scene through, make up a story board and know in your head exactly how it will progress. Set the lights accordingly, shoot a test scene using a dummy, friend or assistant. Review it and see how it works. Only the best work off the cuff and on the fly. Even in amateur. The niche refers to the model not the shooter. LOL



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                          • Paul Markham
                            Too old to care
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 52942

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ottopottomouse
                            Without pictures everybody will interpret your words differently.
                            Yes, YES, YES, YES YES YES AND YES.

                            NOW YOU'RE STARTING TO GET IT.

                            That's exactly what they should do, in fact I just spent 20 minutes making up a small selection of shots and now thinking you're right and letting people interpret as they see it. Should I post pictures or not?

                            They need to know the basic techniques and reasons why/how, but after that it's down to them to interpret it to their style. I could name a magazine shooter from the style of his work, even though a lot of the basics were the same. We all brought our own interpretation to them. Same goes for video shooters.



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                            • ottopottomouse
                              She is ugly, bad luck.
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 13177

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                              Should I post pictures or not?
                              You're putting effort into text that a lot of people won't bother to read all the way through unless you break it up with relevant pictures.

                              Right back in the first post you wrote
                              There are 26 basic solo poses.
                              Then gave no illustration of them.

                              A large percentage of people will have stopped reading.
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