Manwin and Pink Visual Answer Your Digital Finger Printing/Filtering Questions

Concept is great, but it has the potential for massive abuse at a later date.

Trust is my issue as well.

Considering everything they have done, both Mansef and Manwin and everyone else, allowing all of my content to be fingerprinted with them having access to that data in any manner, makes me shy away from this whole thing.

Once a thief, always a thief. And like you said, what's to stop them from using this technology at a later date, or even currently, to put the videos elsewhere, or just keep renaming them and reposting them, or whatever they can figure out to steam roll people to become even larger.

They are like a virus. It's only a matter of time before they mutate again.

Hi Dyna Mo,

We tested a few different things and the obvious ones have worked. We try to match the content they are watching with the rule as best we can. So if it's a MilfSeeker episode we try to send directly to that Milfseeker episode and if we can't we send to the Milf niche in general.

We've also found that sending to a non-recurring billing option works best. So just a 1 time $24.95 for 1 month or $9.95 for the week. This seems to be a consumer who has probably been burnt out by the recurring billing model & cross sells.

We also advertise our buy an episode once & own for life product which seems to do pretty good as well when we link to just that episode.

We have not yet tested too much with tweaking the language of the ad text and I'm sure if we did, we'd see better click through rates as well.

Now, I think these results will probably be typical, but other companies who have more niche or unique content could see better results. I mean, we'll admit our content is similar to 3 or 4 other companies out there so as long as there is similar content still up on tube sites the click through ratio won't be that great for us. Now for a company who specializes in a certain girl or less general niche or style, they'll probably see much better results than what we see, but their content might be uploaded less to begin with so the gross might end up the same.


All of the advertising rules can be set up in a simple excel spreadsheet or linked to data from the database itself. We do the latter where we can tell what episode the traffic is coming from & redirect based on that. The same concept though can be set up spreadsheets.

To purposefully bypass or deceive any content owner that participates would be an extremely ballsy move.

Typically, without the FSC pricing negotiation, both the content owners and tube sites would pay individually several thousand dollars a month to the technology provider. Instead, the negotiated technology fee is just a revenue share of the earnings. If you don't make any money on the ads, you don't pay the revenue share. The technology is a third party technology & tube owners interest in it is primarily to prevent infringement & become more compliant with DMCA safe harbor by implementing a proven reasonable technology.

The concept of all of this is BRILLIANT and exciting. It's just the players involved that put a really bad taste in my mouth. I don't trust any of them.




Care to take a stab at how we all got in this mess in the first place? I'd call that an insanely ballsy move. These guys have built their entire empire based on theft and a lot of balls.

At this stage it's a little like trying to trust your uncle you molested you as a kid. And no matter how much you think he's reformed, you would never allow him to babysit your own child even with supervision.




This also brings up the trust factor for FSC. Besides COPPA, they really don't have a track record of succeeding at anything they do. Not to mention, there is nothing stopping them from changing how this all operates as their organization dies due to a natural decline in supporters due to more and more companies going out of business and the DVD giants closing shop, who are almost all supporting them currently.

Their current price rate will change once they get a lot of people on board. You can bet your ass on that. And then "free" is going to end up costing you a whole lot of money if you want to continue their service. It's a typical protection racket scheme.

I predict this thread will be at least 10 pages.

Digital fingerprinting is indeed the future of content protection, but the cost of this tech is still too high imho.

It will come down Nautilus.... you've helped me *enormously* in the past and you know I was working on similar things before when this thread was made. Well, it took me over 10 months to "go it alone", but I've done it

A video library of over 1.3m active tube videos and a cross check rate of 0.001 secs per 30 min video to find pirated content, regardless of compression ratio (--edit or whether it is a 5 minute cut of your 30min scene).....

This per monthly charge may have been viable back in May, but when I can get this out to the public in the CMS now, it'll be pennies to check your content against the tubes - . Watch my space

DWB, I just have to ask what are your solutions?

It will come down Nautilus.... you've helped me *enormously* in the past and you know I was working on similar things before when this thread was made. Well, it took me over 10 months to "go it alone", but I've done it

A video library of over 1.3m active tube videos and a cross check rate of 0.001 secs per 30 min video to find pirated content, regardless of compression ratio (--edit or whether it is a 5 minute cut of your 30min scene).....

This per monthly charge may have been viable back in May, but when I can get this out to the public in the CMS now, it'll be pennies to check your content against the tubes - . Watch my space

I don't trust any of them.

Smaller tubes will have to follow since they can nolonger claim the technology does not work or is not used. There is a provision in DMCA law that makes it very clear to them that in order to keep safe harbor they have to implement technical means available to protect content owners.

It's one of the reason's I started looking at the various service providers in the field in March of this year already.

Obviously there will always be illegal tubes/sites which will not follow and hide behind the law, but they will be easier to target by any content owners.

This is indeed interesting.

Does anyone actually have an excerpt from DMCA law where it mentions this? I'm very interested in finding out what "technical means available" covers...