Manwin and Pink Visual Answer Your Digital Finger Printing/Filtering Questions

Any ideas on how quickly that process works for you? If I were to upload one of your full length vids (this is hypothetical because I would never do that) is it getting stopped from going up at all? Or is it up for a period of time before the software spots it?

Just curious, because I'd rather see it not go up at all and the person trying to upload stolen content get a window telling him his account is banned and his info is being forwarded to the authorities. THAT would damn sure stop them in their tracks.

Also, just to be clear...I know that the tubes are starting to have licensed content.

When I went to Pornhub just now these are the first videos on the front page:
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1115214320
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1997796794
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=266647155

Does anyone know if those are licensed? Or stolen?
I know all three of them are promoting a Brazzers join for $1, but they obviously aren't Brazzers vids. And call me crazy...but if somebody is making money off of stolen content? They are a thief.

I think 9 out of the top 10 Alexa Ranked adult tubes have committed to the use of the technology:

All the Manwin (pornhub, keezmovies, tube8, xvideos, spankwire, mofosex, extremetube, youporn) tubes plus Xhamster, Youjizz network, Slutload, TnaFlix/Empflix. I know that they vary in stages of integration, but within a month I'm anticipating they'll be live.

http://www.fscapap.com/

As a content owner, no one is going to do the work for you completely, but with this technology the only work that remains is to learn about it, make the finger prints (which can be done server side) & keep an eye on it randomly to audit things.

It's nice for us to know that we won't have to worry too much about the major tubes out there for copyright infringement & we can focus on solutions and removal for the other types of infringement (torrents, file hosts, etc).

That sounds good. But do you have a figure on how many pirate sites there are?

I'm pretty sure that RYC posted that he has a database right now that they crawl of over 10,000 pirate sites.
Any ideas how to get 10,000 sites on board with this?

Or how about we just get the 10,000 pirate sites to just agree to STOP user upload? Boy that would sure make this all nice and simplified. Almost like people doing business instead of thieves stealing all of our stuff.

Also, has anyone given any time and effort yet to the surfer/pirate social networks like pornbb dot org?

Took me two seconds to find this: http://www.pornbb.org/crystal-ray-bl...0white%20sluts

These kinds of forums are HUGE! pornbb has an Alexa traffic rating of 1,635
And that's just one of thousands.

The technology works upon upload, so before it goes live. I'm not sure if the uploader gets a message or how it works with their account banning process offhand. So that's a good question for Manwin. With the advertising model we've witnessed some issues involving random CDN Servers not catching the truncation, but we've been able to work to report those to minimize those.

I personally don't know what's licensed or not, but I do know that a lot more companies are willing to license their content to tubes than I would like to see, but that is their own business decision. I also don't think these companies are the ones willing to come forward and admit that they licensed content. Maybe they will, so let's see.

That's good news, finally something positive especially when the big players are all participate into this fingerprinting solution.

Next step would be to have a majority from all the content owners (also the smaller ones) would participate into this program to protect their property and assets.

Great incentive for our industry

those tube sites pretty much are adult traffic now. they probably control 80% of all adult traffic.

I personally think it would behoove the industry to create a meta data database full of blacklisted terms (movie titles, porn star names, etc) that "User generated content sites" could ban and prevent from being added to their site. DMCA allows for something like the use of reasonable technology to prevent infringement in order to be protected by the safe harbor and something like this could be easily used by torrents, forums and blogs where they aren't hosting the content. One of the mainstream torrent search sites was required to filter meta data & block banned terms like mainstream movie titles.

That's good!

I know you guys are trying...but I just don't trust people (Manwin) who have done what those guys are doing.

And speaking of my non-trust (lol):
I wonder if it's stopping the upload? Or...does the vid upload, then get "fingerprinted" and at that point does not go on the pornhub public site?

I would hazard a guess that that is how it works. And like I said...you just can't trust them. I've already been shown that they were removing vids from the public page of Pornhub when you DMCA'ed them...but KEEPING them up in their premium section!

I wonder if they are doing that with these videos as well?

Robbie, can you email me your contact info and maybe a good time for a call? Being strategic within our industry can help ensure adult user generated content sites act more and more responsibly.

Hi Allison,

what is your advertising model in this scenario, if you don't mind sharing? is there corresponding marketing to advertise your paysites on the page that also has your video? are you paying by signups or a straight-up advertising deal? also, are these statistics typical for what any quality paysite could expect from advertising?

thx in advance!

Hi Dyna Mo,

We tested a few different things and the obvious ones have worked. We try to match the content they are watching with the rule as best we can. So if it's a MilfSeeker episode we try to send directly to that Milfseeker episode and if we can't we send to the Milf niche in general.

We've also found that sending to a non-recurring billing option works best. So just a 1 time $24.95 for 1 month or $9.95 for the week. This seems to be a consumer who has probably been burnt out by the recurring billing model & cross sells.

We also advertise our buy an episode once & own for life product which seems to do pretty good as well when we link to just that episode.

We have not yet tested too much with tweaking the language of the ad text and I'm sure if we did, we'd see better click through rates as well.

Now, I think these results will probably be typical, but other companies who have more niche or unique content could see better results. I mean, we'll admit our content is similar to 3 or 4 other companies out there so as long as there is similar content still up on tube sites the click through ratio won't be that great for us. Now for a company who specializes in a certain girl or less general niche or style, they'll probably see much better results than what we see, but their content might be uploaded less to begin with so the gross might end up the same.


All of the advertising rules can be set up in a simple excel spreadsheet or linked to data from the database itself. We do the latter where we can tell what episode the traffic is coming from & redirect based on that. The same concept though can be set up spreadsheets.

Trust is my issue as well.

Considering everything they have done, both Mansef and Manwin and everyone else, allowing all of my content to be fingerprinted with them having access to that data in any manner, makes me shy away from this whole thing.

Once a thief, always a thief. And like you said, what's to stop them from using this technology at a later date, or even currently, to put the videos elsewhere, or just keep renaming them and reposting them, or whatever they can figure out to steam roll people to become even larger.

They are like a virus. It's only a matter of time before they mutate again.

Awesome idea. I get to pay them to be an affiliate. I pay them to sign up and then I pay them a %. And then one day down the line they are going say.. " Huh... We can make more by charging this every month or three months. "

Concept is great, but it has the potential for massive abuse at a later date.