Manwin and Pink Visual Answer Your Digital Finger Printing/Filtering Questions

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  • Half man, Half Amazing
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2008
    • 372

    #496
    wow....silence is deafening on this one.
    Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.

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    • Rui
      web
      • Dec 2001
      • 9533

      #497
      Gone dead all of sudden eh..

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      • DWB
        Registered User
        • Jul 2003
        • 31779

        #498
        Originally posted by Half man, Half Amazing
        Just some food for thought here:

        When you go to Pornhub and click the "Categories" tab you get a breakdown by category of all their videos. Beside each category is a number showing the total number of videos in that category. If one were so inclined one could add them all together. I am so inclined. It comes out to around 150,000 videos. However, when you upload a video to Pornhub you are prompted to select 3 categories your video could fall under, so in reality, the total number of videos on Pornhub is probably more like 50,000 (not sure if their private videos are included in their totals or not).

        The user I pointed out in the "other" thread started by DirtyWhiteBoy was a user going by the name of jj09. (http://www.pornhub.com/users/jj09) He had uploaded 2,209 videos and we all identified quite a few infringing ones on his first page of uploads, certainly enough to qualify him as a repeat offender. In fact just the fact that ONE of his uploads is infringing constitutes a violation of the PornHub TOS since before you can upload anything you must agree that:

        "By clicking "Upload Video", you are representing that this video does not violate Pornhub's Terms of Use and that you own all copyrights in this video or have authorization to upload it."

        Were Pornhub to enforce their TOS and remove jj09's account and ALL the videos he's uploaded it would result in the removal of 2200+ vids or about 5% of the total videos on Pornhub. Sound like a cost effective solution to anyone else?

        But I hear ya...5% isn't enough. Well lucky for us jj09 uses his blog on pornhub to tell us about the other "hard working uploaders here". Let's look at their profiles shall we?

        http://www.pornhub.com/users/amsterdamxxx - 2036 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/drsweary -540 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/tinalovesv -2393 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/alphaporn - 246 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/great-gonzo - 171 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/KevDaMacDaddyMac -106 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/kev1mac - 113 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/DragonGold - 446 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/nightvisions - 112 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/ivannicta - 540 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/drkhalf2 - 355 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/jakkups - 458 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/MRFREAKYD - 596 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/fooker79 - 232 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/kb24 - 451 videos
        http://www.pornhub.com/users/KeV08 - 312 videos

        This is just from jj09's little circle of friends. 11,316 videos and I'll betcha nearly all of them are copyright infringing. What do you guys think, would you like to see almost 22% of Pornhub's videos removed by just them enforcing their TOS? What if the FSC had pressured Manwich to just enforce their TOS?

        Oh and here's a comment on the profile of corey999 (http://www.pornhub.com/users/corey999):
        "jj was telling me you deal with vid uploads iwas just wondering if its the norm for the hub to pimp ur vids i was quite happy with the few watching them and sum of them now have crazy amounts of veiws just wonderd thats all cheers "

        Apparently corey999 works for Pornhub as he puts out notifications of updates and also seems to be friends with .... wait for it... jj09! http://www.pornhub.com/users/corey99...ndships&page=4

        Apparently corey999 is friends with ALMOST ALL of the uploaders I mentioned above. They come to his profile and tell him how much they appreciate him and everything! And it looks like maybe he gives preferential placement to his buds on there. Sounds like being selective to me? Hey Fabian...doesn't that mean you lose your Safe Harbor protection? Go ask your lawyers...we'll see ya in a few months when you come back to evade the question again.
        Manwin pre-made responses. Please select the answer that best suits you:

        a) Programming bug.

        b) You don't understand DMCA or the law.

        c) I have to check with my attorney and get back to you.

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        • BlacksOnBlondes
          Confirmed User
          • Mar 2003
          • 214

          #499
          Originally posted by Nathan
          Yes we can, it's called repeat infringer policy. And currently, it falls shut as soon as the user uploads (I think, would have to verify to be sure) 3 videos that get DMCAd. The account is then shutdown.

          If you think this is not correct, do let me know of a user where you feel this is not the case, so I can investigate myself.

          All of this obviously only applies to post March 1st 2010.

          Nathan:
          This guy has been uploading tons of our movies- http://www.pornhub.com/users/bong/
          We have sent you dozens of DMCA's on this guy AFTER March 1st 2010. Why is he still an active user? Over 500,000 people have watched these movies so far.

          Please advise.
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          • Matyko
            PsyHead
            • Aug 2005
            • 8681

            #500
            How did I miss this great thread?!?!?!
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            • SiMpLe
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2002
              • 3221

              #501
              Originally posted by BlacksOnBlondes
              Nathan:
              This guy has been uploading tons of our movies- http://www.pornhub.com/users/bong/
              We have sent you dozens of DMCA's on this guy AFTER March 1st 2010. Why is he still an active user? Over 500,000 people have watched these movies so far.

              Please advise.
              Good luck with that
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              • RycEric
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2009
                • 1313

                #502
                FYI - Reflected.net, host of tube8 has their legal team and execs watching this thread. Hi guys and welcome to GOFUCKYOURSELF.

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                • billywatson
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 3281

                  #503
                  Originally posted by BlacksOnBlondes
                  Nathan:
                  This guy has been uploading tons of our movies- http://www.pornhub.com/users/bong/
                  We have sent you dozens of DMCA's on this guy AFTER March 1st 2010. Why is he still an active user? Over 500,000 people have watched these movies so far.

                  Please advise.
                  I can't wait to hear.

                  I Shoot Porn.

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                  • kenny
                    Confirmed User
                    • Mar 2002
                    • 7245

                    #504
                    How is this project going?
                    7

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                    • The Rowan
                      Registered User
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 77

                      #505
                      We do not "take full length videos from anywhere", we do not submit videos to our own tubes unless we own licenses to them. And we do not have any of this in our member's areas. This just to clarify...

                      well why do you have this up then:
                      http://www.keezmovies.com/categories/hentai

                      you guys do NOT own 1 single Hentai License

                      you upload most of them.

                      you advertise to have them in your member area!

                      you dont respond to emails!

                      you rename the movie titles! what is fine as we can tell anyway.

                      so you leave us very little choice on what steps to take as you show you do not care.

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                      • DWB
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 31779

                        #506
                        Snaaaaap.

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                        • Robbie
                          Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 20960

                          #507
                          Yeah, I'd say "digital fingerprinting" that PV jumped in bed with Manwin on hasn't really changed Pornhub one little bit (I really never thought it would anyway)

                          I don't go there except when I see a thread like this. And it looks EXACTLY the way it did in Oct. when this big announcement was made (that's EIGHT MONTHS of people's work being monetized by Manwin and devalued for the producers).

                          Have any of you guys that go to pornhub ever actually hit one of those videos where the stolen content was replaced by a trailer? lol
                          -Robbie
                          ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                          • Allison
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2001
                            • 2068

                            #508
                            Originally posted by Robbie
                            Yeah, I'd say "digital fingerprinting" that PV jumped in bed with Manwin on hasn't really changed Pornhub one little bit (I really never thought it would anyway)

                            I don't go there except when I see a thread like this. And it looks EXACTLY the way it did in Oct. when this big announcement was made (that's EIGHT MONTHS of people's work being monetized by Manwin and devalued for the producers).

                            Have any of you guys that go to pornhub ever actually hit one of those videos where the stolen content was replaced by a trailer? lol
                            Hi Robbie,

                            I'll address your last question first. Manwin opted not to do the trailer replacement, but rather the complete removal. On the Manwin tubes, we've seen about 99% of our videos removed and prevented from being uploaded in the first place without sending DMCA notices. When we see a random one get through we work with both Manwin and the digital finger printing company to determine if anything can be improved to prevent that going forward.

                            If you'd like to see example of content being replaced and with advertising check out xvideos.com

                            http://www.xvideos.com/video783845/b...teens_2_scene2

                            That was a video that would have been full length, but we opted to have it truncated to 3 minutes with our overlay for advertisement.

                            Regarding seeing tube sites with other full length videos; I'm sure some could be easily removed by participating in the finger printing program and I'm sure that a good portion of them are from companies who licensed their content to tube sites. I'm surprised how many times we are approached for licensing deals on tubes, which we decline.
                            Allison
                            President
                            TopBucks.com| PinkVisual.com|
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                            • Allison
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2001
                              • 2068

                              #509
                              And if you're curious on how the advertising model is doing, here are the stats for just the Xvideos account for this current 15 day period. It's not a ton of revenue yet, but definitely building and can obviously add into more as other tubes that are committed to utilize the technology do so as well (Slutload, Youjizz, Empflix/TnAflix, Xhamster, etc).



                              In this example, I look at it this way. Pink Visual not only prevented a lot of full length videos from going live seamlessly, but we also we avoided the work of hunting down our content & sending DMCA notices, and generated some revenue at the same time.

                              Since we've been so hands-on we've also seen this technology being utilized at the file sharing level as well.
                              Allison
                              President
                              TopBucks.com| PinkVisual.com|
                              [email protected]
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                              • SZNY
                                SZNY
                                • May 2004
                                • 2800

                                #510
                                Nice stuff but it will only work when all the tubes owners are into this. Good and positive to see that Pink visual and Manwin are both making the 1st steps!
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