Manwin and Pink Visual Answer Your Digital Finger Printing/Filtering Questions

Hmmmmm is right!

Many paid webhosts will terminate and "delete" (remove from public view) all content of accounts that get too many DMCA complaints ... so a paid service can do it, but a free service can't? This is not making sense ...

Bottom line is that the "we can't delete everything" is nonsense - the tubes certainly can, but choose not to. End of story.

Ron

It's sad to watch how hard it seems for you to do one honest thing.

Go talk to an honest human being...you'll have to go outside the Manwin circle of thieves to find one though.

Robbie, I did not attend a seminar. I never said that I attended a seminar. What I said is that, over the course of 18 months, FSC brought together experts. We brought together experts from mainstream entertainment, experts from the legal community, experts from the world of software, and most importantly, experts from within our membership - John Stagliano, Christian Mann, Michael Klein, Steve Hirsh, Bruce Lehay and Keith Webb, Bob Johnson and Bruce Whitney, Rob Novinger and Tony Rios, Ali Joone, Steve Orenstein and many more.

To oversee the program FSC contracted with Gill Sperlein arguably one of the most successful copyright infringement attorneys in the industry. Gill was the staff attorney who successfully guided Titan Studios though many groundbreaking copyright infringement cases-Gill is a well established ?expert?.
The aforementioned group recognized that tubesites were a reality of business in the digital age. It was clear that our goal was not to legitimize tubesites, but rather to force tubesites into a legitimate business model. The resulting APAP program takes a stick and a carrot approach to copyright infringement.

Most of what I have read on this thread is based on a complete misunderstanding of what APAP is. For those of you who are interested in understanding the program?
First, the stick?TRACKING AND ENFORCEMENT In this approach APAP participants are given a copyright analysis of their content by Attorney Gill Sperlein who also assists the content providers in developing a plan for making sure their content is properly copyrighted. Businesses participating in the tracker component of APAP have their content tracked every two hours on 16 selected tubesites with state-of-the-art technology. Tubesites are selected by their Alexa rating (highest -trafficked sites) and through participant input.

APAP technology gathers information and develops an evidence packet of materials for each infringement. This information saves a great deal of attorney time and expense for those companies who choose to litigate. Once an infringement is found, DMCA takedown notices are sent out and tracked every two hours to determine time and level of compliance. There is a great deal more to the software--if you are interested contact me at FSC and we can set up a demo.

FSC APAP maintains statistics for infringing locations by compiling information and tracking notices sent to any given site, thus locating the biggest violators and then documenting how sites respond to takedown notices. Then finally, APAP works with subscribers to determine an individualized approach for each infringing site; identify subscribers, when appropriate, who wish to engage in litigation and match them with others to form litigation groups.

Through a coordinated effort in APAP?s Tracking and Enforcement phase, participants pressure tubesites to adopt Mediawise--the carrot. Mediawise software uses audio-video-metadata fingerprints to STOP content from being uploaded. Instead of a title going up, the software applies the business rule the content provider wants for that title and either truncates the content or provides an overlay that takes the viewer to the content provider?s site. Content providers fingerprint their entire library and their content DOES NOT GO UP unless the content provider wants it to. With this approach, the content provider not only blocks stolen content from being uploaded, but also realizes a potential new revenue stream

So what does all this cost?
Tracking and Enforcement ($400/month)
To participate in this phase of APAP, there is a minimum tracking of 10 titles or 1500 minutes. The cost is $400/month (NOT $450). There are bulk rates and less frequent tracking options at much lower costs available for those who wish to track large portions of their libraries. There is a one-time $450 registration fee. The program is month-to-month; you will NEVER be forced to continue with the program if you are not satisfied.

Mediawise/Monetization (FREE repeat, FREE!)
This costs the content provider absolutely nothing. The content provider fingerprints his/her entire library with assistance from our software professionals. The content is identified with Vobile?s Mediawise software and instead of the content going up, it is truncated or replaced with a trailer that takes the viewer to the content provider?s site. If a purchase is made, then a portion of the purchase goes back to FSC who pays the host site and Vobile (the software company). Here is the breakdown:

If the content provider is participating in the Tracking** and Enforcement phase the breakdown is*:
Content Provider 60%
Host Site 15%
Vobile 15%
FSC & Gill 10%
*Percentage of net ? after billing fees and chargebacks
**These providers have a higher percentage of the rev share than non-participants as we rely on these companies to continue pressure on the tubsites to join the program.

If the content provider is NOT participating in the Tracking and Enforcement phase the breakdown is*:
Content Provider 55%
Host Site 15%
Vobile 17.5%
FSC & Gill Sperlein 12.5%
*Percentage of net ? after billing fees and chargebacks

If you have any questions or would like to set up a demo, shoot me an email.

Diane, thank you for the clarification.

You are 100% right. I totally took that out of context. And applied the word "seminar" to it because you had speakers giving talks like a seminar. But the way it looked when I typed it made it appear that you went to some show and sat in the audience...when the reality is that you hosted these speakers yourself to learn something.

My one question on that would be this: Acknowledging my ignorance of what Mainstream is or isn't doing...did you get any real experts from adult in there? As much as I very much respect the list from your membership...I don't see any names there that are really known for their prowess or success on the internet...much less in combating piracy.

I know that when you launched this idea...you really didn't know WHO were the "experts" that were already doing it. But I'm assuming you do now.
Have you reached out to any of them? John Stagliano is a legend and a giant in our business and knowing his reputation...I'm betting he has educated himself pretty damn well on this...BUT having said that, does he have a database of pirate sites? Do any of those people on your list of experts know who, how, and what to do for over 10,000 pirate sites?

Well, there are some folks who were already doing it back when you had that group get together. It would have probably been pretty damn beneficial to bring in those people to show y'all how it's done and get you on the right track and eliminate the learning curve.

That was sort of my point. You guys just appear to be fish out of water on this thing. Not saying you can't pull it up to speed real quickly. I'm sure you're smart enough to do that.

Anyway, that was my point. I've never played quarterback on an NFL team. But if I suddenly decided to invest my money and buy my way into the game...I'd definitely bring in the best strength trainers, coaches, etc. to try and get me ready. I wouldn't bring in the best Team owners or the best guys on the board of the NFL. They might be the best at what they do...but it wouldn't do me any good at what I was trying to achieve.

See what I'm saying?

As Vobile developed the technology and has experience in using the software to initiate copyright enforcement actions, I imagine you could say they are experts. It seems to me that other anti-piracy efforts in our industry are not using the same technology.

Alexa will point to the major offenders for monitoring.

Just saying......Vobile is probably considered expert in their game and the sites are in plain view.

Robbie, who would you recommend and what would they "bring to the table?"

That's true to a great extent. Vobile is the expert at their software. How much expertise they have in follow through with said software is totally unknown.

And just looking at Alexa isn't going to tell you jack. If you think that will do the trick then go round up a few thousand pirate site url's off of there...see what I mean?

And that doesn't count the mother lode: Surfer forums.

And does Vobile have that data base ready with the proper email address for each DMCA to be sent AND a working uneasy relationship with the guy responsible for pulling shit down so that when you make a dmca request to him it doesn't sit on the shelf for a few weeks?

I'm doubting that very, very much. And that's just a small part of what I'm talking about here. There is a LOT more to this than just a fancy software that is a bit overpriced for the results it brings.

I think I said it best in one of my replies here...this software is like having a bazooka and not having a target or even knowing how to properly fire it yet.

The only one I could recommend are the ones I use. RemoveYourContent.Com

Anything else that I or anyone else says would not be based on experience. I have used them for a few years now. I know what they can do.

Anybody that has not used any kind of service like that is only theorizing and guessing.

It would be nice to have seen what the FSC is trying to do coordinated with the guys who pioneered anti-piracy in adult. But they didn't. Probably because at the time...they simply didn't know any better. Thus that list of "experts" in anti-piracy that DDuke listed above.

Some of the best in our business in that list...at other things. I'll say it again, if I need pests exterminated I hire a professional exterminator...not the owner of a company that does something else.

People who know me know that I have been preaching anti-piracy for years and years.

I am good friends with Nate and kind of motivated Ai3rk get the "Content Producers Summit" going back in 2007 which I flew from Texas and attended.

Back around 2004, I personally flew to LA and visited every major company in the Valley and spoke to the owners/webmasters/sales reps about how piracy was going to ruin our businesses.

I appreciate your passion and respect anybody who is trying to affect "change".

I do not consider myself an anti-piracy expert....just an activist. I have seen piracy's effects on my business.

I would say that I am the same. The only extra thing I did was to make sure the we had a backend script in place that keeps our new updates from being stolen out of our members area to begin with.

That was the greatest single thing I ever did to increase my sales and stop the blood flow.

All the rest of this "anti-piracy" is just chasing your content. Locking it down is job 1.

But of course to this very day I'll have people on GFY try to tell me it "won't work" and it will be "hacked" etc., etc. after a little over 2 years of it working
lol

I don't think that what I have done sucessfully as far as protecting my content and keeping it down to a dull roar and then having removeyourcontent work on taking care of the rest ( a VERY effective and cheap one-two punch ) is something that the powers that be want to have discussed at the upcoming "Anti-Piracy Summit"

There's no profit in it for anybody. It just keeps the rightful owner of the content in a lot more control of what's happening. So it only profits the one person who SHOULD be profiting : The Content Owner. Not the FSC, and definitely NOT the pirate site.

Robbie,
I'm going to be coming to Vegas next month for a scuba diving trade show around the 18th or 20th. Would you like to get a bite to eat and exchange some ideas? Treats on me.

lol.

translation: robbie lets eat and break bread and bro out so we become buddies and you stop making great points in our thread when we're trying to make money.

squeeky wheel gets the free lunch.

Definitely get in touch when you're here. I'll bring you over to Robbie Manor and show you some things that really work well on piracy and help you in any way that I can.

Dialog is a good thing....it is how I learn.

Keep making the points. They are food for thought.

Waaaaay off base Alprazolam. If this were Fabian saying it, I'd agree with you. However I've known "Redrob" for many years and he's about as stand up a guy as you'll ever meet. He doesn't screw anyone over and the work that he's done for free speech (especially fighting the fight in the incredibly difficult state of Texas) is tremendous.