Manwin and Pink Visual Answer Your Digital Finger Printing/Filtering Questions

I agree that Fabian's attitude throughout is shameful. Especially when he hides behind DMCA and declares that even when a user is BANNED and DELETED for stolen content uploads...he is STILL going to leave the stolen content up, in some cases THOUSANDS of full length scenes so that he can profit off of it.

Shameful indeed. Very shameful.

What if he pushes the red button and closes all tubes tomorrow. What would happen?

The FSC has never had any experience in this. They are supposed to be fighting for our constitutional rights against the govt.
Their track record? Not good.

There are already companies in place who track your content on over 10,000 pirate sites (including file sharing and bit torrents) and get it dmca'ed down for MUCH less than what the inexperienced FSC is charging to attempt to get your stuff "switched" with a trailer on a handful of tube sites.

As I said before...I COULD overpay for a relatively ineffective solution. I COULD overpay for a lot of things. But I didn't get rich by making dumb business decisions. If others wish to...then they have every right to do so.

I've made my decision reading Fabian's statement. DDuke talking about meeting with a couple of companies at the beginning of 2008 and then attending some seminars to become experienced with piracy, and Top Bucks still having their videos on Pornhub after reaching a settlement against them.

Those things pretty much sum it up.

And I got news for you...Fabian IS much nicer than the pirate sites that are bigger than him. He's the biggest tube. But not the biggest crook.

If I'm acting "shameful" because of what I'm reading here and seeing happen...then so be it.

I'd stop deleting the affiliate emails from Jug Cash and start running their new galleries again.

He doesn't have to close them down. That would be silly. If he turned his tubes into fully legal (non-pirate) tubes AND made it a policy at Manwin not to accept traffic or pay commissions to those who profit from pirate content he could have a significant positive impact on the industry. I'm guessing he would also get a lot of support from those who still attempt to sell porn in 2010 and intend to do so in 2011 and beyond as well. But that's his call to make.

$450 covers 10 videos across 16 tube sites. Whoop-tee-doo. Either of the guys in my sig are a better deal for ALL of your content across ALL the sites. I will also add they only have 9 tubes on board and Nathan owns almost all of them. Hardly something to get wood over, though I will agree the technology is AMAZING.

It's just a shame that the same people who have been ass fucking the industry has their hands in this and you actually have to pay money to keep your shit off of their sites now. Typical mob / criminal behavior... create a problem then make people pay you to protect them from the problem you created.



How do you know they are not employing people right now to steal and upload? Because he said so? Good luck with that. You don't know anything about the guy and you are just going to take his word, after he supposedly bought one the biggest pirate operations in the industry, that he is going to change everything, yet he won't delete the videos of a user who violated his TOS after uploading videos he didn't own the rights to? Wake up man. Nothing has changed other than a new arrogant face, assets moved, and more people duped.

Remember when they said they didn't own any tubes and it was counter productive to their business model? Epass also said they were not going anywhere and everything was fine, and you saw how that turned out.

If you are willing to buy a company built on stealing from others, what does that say about you? It says you are unethical and you at that point assume all the bad shit that comes along with the new criminal enterprise you just purchased. That's the way it goes. He supposedly bought (and I really doubt it) this company after the US Government seized millions of dollars from them from money laundering AND they were hit with piracy law suits. He knew the business was crooked going in, as the Feds don't freeze your money for nothing. Yet he did (supposedly). I still believe it was simply asset shifting.

People wouldn't be posting what they are if this was all on the up and up. CRIMINALS get outed, pointed at and attacked, not good people. There is a reason for this reaction.

Anyway, this is all a huge waste of time for everyone. Winning a GFY argument or even making a single point, is like being the tallest man in China.

Ain't that the truth! lol

Robbie, I don't mean to seem like I'm picking on you, but it appears you lack knowledge about the process of a settlement agreement. In this case, the settlement agreement ocurred last Monday, and it's been already a busy week. A settlement agreement is not a magic trick that magically makes all agreements done at the point a signature is put on paper.

Seems you have made up your mind though which is personally fine to me, that is your business decision. What inspires me more at this point is the fact that I already see this movement working. There are people taking action. Like the two additional major tubes who within 1 week of hearing these announcements are already signed up to demo the technology & the various studios who have also started the process to get finger prints going and learn about the technology. And the other studios and tube sites who are in litigation that realize this is a real remedy the courts award.

So, in 6 months, when it's likely that the APAP finger print database has over 100,000 adult videos finger printed & 25 tubes (and growing) are filtering their content & torrents/cyberlockers are beginning to also consider filtering if not already be participating, then maybe you'll reconsider and want to join a realistic growing anti-piracy movement.

So for the many silent readers in this thread, here's a quick reminder of where to go to get more information & the email form to set up a demo:

http://www.fscapap.com

Allison I don't feel that way at all. And I have nothing against you by the way.

But I don't need knowledge of "process" of a settlement to know that job NUMBER ONE for an ethical honest person would have been to go into the tube admin and immediately remove all of your videos.

You don't agree?

I would have done that MYSELF if I were Fabian. But since he's such a big shot and has all of his employees at his beck and call the very LEAST he could have done was have one of his grunts open the admin and delete all the TopBucks stuff.

The fact that he did not speaks volumes. The fact that you aren't doing anything about that but making posts together and acting all chummy with him doesn't look good for you guys as far as having smarts goes.

I've been in this business a good while now. I've dealt with a lot of folks. And even now...if I find my shit on a site and I know the owner personally I just write him and send him the URL and my stuff comes down.

You would THINK that would have been the first thing this piece of work that you are snuggling up to would have done.

An honest person would. And you know it. So you're trusting this guy over people like me? WTF?

Just checking my stats remote...I haven't made a lot of sales with Top Bucks over the last few years...
And Stats Remote only goes back to 2003...and I made decent money with you guys before 2003.

But just looking at Stats Remote "All Time" (2003 until now) I've still managed to send 3102 joins and 4086 rebills.

How much money has Fabian made for you? Or should I say COST you. And yet you really don't give a shit about MY opinion? But Fabian is your boy? Again...WTF?

Join a realistic growing anti-piracy movement to fight against the same people who are part of the same realistic growing anti-piracy movement and caused much of the piracy problems in the first place. Great plan.

Once a thief, always a thief. You should know that by now, especially in the adult industry. They may take your finger printed videos with one hand, but rest assured they will find a way to fuck you with the other one. Putting a new face on a company that has built an empire of piracy, is not going to change much of anything. It was clear the moment Nathan said they would not delete the banned users videos, after he violated their TOS and loaded videos he did not own. Even Youtube does that when they ban a user, and I they are probably a little sharper than your new partners. It's just more of the same, with new faces and a shot at getting legitimized by your company and the FSC.

Honestly, I hate to think what pushed you into settling with them and getting into this cluster fuck of a deal. They must have really had your ass in the cross hairs. Or did they buy your company? The latter would make more sense to me, as I don't know why you tossed your company's excellent reputation into the sewer over this. What's that old saying, if you lay with dogs, you get fleas.

Robbie, I never said your opinion didn't matter. I was honest and told you that what specifically is inspiring more is the fact that I've seen 2 tubes already show committment to participating in APAP and several studios in addition to all the active participants. In addition, I said maybe in 6 months you'll reconsider, but for now it seems you've made up your mind so I'm not sure what the point is in debating for now as I'd rather respond to those with questions about the technology.

Your opinion on job #1 is based off of extremely little knowledge of a confidential agreement.

And I'll re-iterate the content on the tubes will be handled appropriately in the timeframe we deem appropriate. Our handling of the matter was on our to-do list next week in fact.

And to be clear, I am being reasonable with Fabian and Manwin (not BFF like some of you like to believe). Do you see Pink Visual banners all over their sites or Brazzers banners all over Pink Visual sites? We have made committments and there's no reason to make things ugly in my mind.

Yeah something seems off. We will probably never find out.

DWB. Check out most major RIAA/MPAA copyright infringement suits against a user generated site that ended with a judgment or what they declared as a succesful settlement and you will see in most imstances they now work together in a more positive way under certain guidelines. Only the rare instance shows otherwise. I'm not sure why you would think copyright law would apply to the adult industry differently.

Again, Allison...I don't NEED to know what is in your "confidential agreement"

An honest and ethical person would have your stuff DOWN. That doesn't break any agreement...unless you got your ass handed to you in the legal settlement.

As I said before...to get my stuff down from many sites doesn't take much more than me saying "Hey, this is Robbie, please take this down"

So after all this Fabian still doesn't even do that much for you? Sorry Allison, I have nothing against you...but damn I've been making a lot of money a long time and that ain't how I would do things from your side.

Good luck to you. And good luck on your piracy summit which I'm now guessing is mainly a recruiting session for the FSC.

As I said, I don't need to know anything at all about your legal agreement to know that a sincere and honest man would have taken all Pink Visual vids DOWN immediately.

UNLESS...you lost and he won.

And again...I don't care. He STILL should take them down. Are you really going to argue that with me? Or argue that it's "okay" for your shit to be viewed by hundreds of thousands of EX-potential customers as we speak? And for him to continue to make money and traffic off of it while it KILLS your affiliates?

Jesus fucking Christ.