Manwin and Pink Visual Answer Your Digital Finger Printing/Filtering Questions

OK here's a few questions for you and Alison to answer.

User; http://www.pornhub.com/users/bryanc

Public Videos (1045)

Joined: 1 year ago
Last Login: 3 weeks ago
Videos Watched: 94
People have watched bryanc videos: 17,797,701 times

He's got a whole load of Back Seat Bangers videos, owned by Top Buck, 23 full length scenes. Of the 1045 videos this guy uploaded.

So does he work for you and uploading your licensed content, work for Top Bucks and uploading their licensed content or neither?

If Top Bucks are allowing this video on your site, where is the link to their site. OR do they sell the license of their content to be used on Tube sites?

And if he works for Top Bucks are the other 1022 videos he's uploaded all their content?

And if he works for you do you own the license to the other 1022 videos?

And yet another one. http://www.pornhub.com/users/crispocolis

Joined: 1 month ago
Last Login: 2 hours ago
Videos Watched: 156
People have watched crispocolis videos: 7851 times

He has 42 videos from Public Invasion. A BangBros site. It has in total just under 190 videos on the site. So are BangBros giving away around 22% of their site for free?

Of course if the answer is yes it's licensed content from both sponsors it begs another and even bigger question.

Why should an affiliate promote sites who allow their content to be given away for free in such vast numbers?

Sorry double post.

So again. Does the "Available tech" clause mean you have to apply it or content owners have to? I think this is something you need to be very clear on as it might negate your safe harbor regarding DMCA.

Are you saying you can't remove the content of a LAW breaker as this will harm your safe harbor? Would love to have a lawyer give a ruling on this. Because I don't see any selection going on. You don't select his content, he broke the rules, his content goes.

Good point, you might own the license to the content Bryanc uploaded. Do you own the license for all the other scenes he uploaded? He has to be in house either on the premises or off to be uploading licensed content.

Would be very interesting to know if Top Bucks is licensing full scenes to Tube sites.

People will start to accept you if they see you're really trying to remedy the situation. Not hiding behind phrases like "For all you know". Or saying "it's the weekend", you must be able to get into the back end and see if this guy is part of your operation or not.

I'll check some more of his content and come back. Because it gives people an idea of your integrity and Top Bucks.

In this post http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17590216&postcount=55, you stated "Anonymous is a special account." What's the function of the "anonymous" account having thousands of these private videos? Can you please explain along with more details about this "special account."

Which also means that if those videos are copyrighted, content owners can't see them. I'm sure Fabian's wheels are turning to find ways to prohibit content owners from seeking out their content on his criminal network of sites.

Oh wait...they already are. Go to spankwire.com and try to see any of the other videos a user has uploaded. They've disabled that access. So that we can't sit here and show users with 2000+ stolen videos uploaded and show how the scumbags at Manwich haven't changed their tune what so ever.

Congratulations FSC and TopBucks...you've been seduced to the dark side. Forever will it dominate your destiny.

so if in the 70 my dad popped in vcr copy of "soul train" showed his friends some guy dancing down the row and said that cat can really swing that ok, and protected fair use of commentary

but doing the exact same thing using a tube site, is somehow wrong.

WTF.

Nothing you say is valid.

You are a fucking idiot.

Example A (private home, he paid for that copy)
Example B (mass availability to the general public, didnt pay for that copy, certainly didnt have to prove his ownership).

Which do you really think is "fair use".

Well first of all, we at Topbucks are aware of every single video on all of the Manwin tubes. We are coordinating as to which ones we will send DMCA notices on and which ones we will use to test digital finger print filtering on. All aspects of that and other plans are our business decision.

You might want to brush up on what Fair Use means as I believe you are missing some key aspects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Damn Allison...I know that you wanted them to stay up when you filed suit against Manwin for the proof of it.

But the fact that you settled with them and your vids are still sitting there completely devalued every second that they are viewed is just amazing to me.

I would have thought that at least your settlement would have gotten your videos taken down. Jesus Christ.

And leaving them there to "test" with? WTF.
That pirate site owner could have at least taken all your stuff down with a few clicks. He claims to have once been a genius programmer, and I know that in my Mechanical Bunny admin I could have it all gone in a few minutes time.

Then you could always upload some vids to test when this "solution" is FINALLY ready to test.

If you're saying that all legal action is over...then why on Earth has your new "partner" not taken down your property? You do realize he is making money off of Top Bucks property and you are losing money don't you? Not to mention your poor affiliates like me who lose our traffic and sales to his site.

This is unreal.

You would not be able to say anything else but that at this point.

Meanwhile, while you're coordinating "who's on first," they are profiting from your content and devaluing it at at the same time.

Yeah! Allison! You must be REALLY STUPID!!! Robbie doesn't understand your business decisions so that MAKES THEM BAD!!!

YOU IDIOT!!!

Robbie thinks that YOU ARE A BIG SILLY!

You should just quit now.

ROBBIE HAS SPOKEN.

YOU HAVE BEEN JUDGED.
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He will be calling you a pirate and putting you ignore next. Be careful.

Robbie,
This shows you who is really running the show now.

Kudos to Nathan and company for this unbelievable takeover of the internet. It was a BRAZZILLIANT move and perfect executed. Duping the the FSC to get on their side and to get them to believe their shit, was a stroke of genius unlike anything we as an industry have ever seen. Even though I find it all appalling, I will give credit where credit is due.

Thats exactly the same I am thinking about this whole Mansef/Manwin/Fabian discussion.
In my opionion there are some people around that have a massive problem with big picture thinking.

Why don`t you realize that this is a big chance for the whole business? The technology behind is awesome. That whole digital fingerprint technology can be a great tool for solving several problems, and it is already working perfectly for the entertainment industry.

The adult industry was sleeping far too long, but now it seems like people are joining forces to actually do something together. And I believe that this is a good thing.

One argument I read several times in this thread was, that paying 450$ for this technology would be too expensive. If there are producers around here with just a small amount of videos to fingerprint, why don`t you create some content group with several smaller producers? Or try to get your content fingerprinted by one of the larger Studios that will take part of this program? ... just two ideas ...

The way some people are acting and reacting in this forum is shameful. I can truly understand that copyright holders are angry, but did Fabian steal the content? No. Sniffing in Fabians private life, posting pictures of him and his family and accusing him of being the devil is in my opinion unacceptable.

best regards
Renzo