Manwin and Pink Visual Answer Your Digital Finger Printing/Filtering Questions
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What if the banned infringer also uploaded non-porn hollywood movies or underage content, but no one sent DMCA notice about that, wouldn't you remove that too? If not, what is "selecting content"? If you choose to let only porn movies stay, then you ARE selecting.
I don't think any host lose their safe harbor if it's in their TOS that all content will be removed if banned or they upload something else not allowed. Maybe your lawyers should consult with the laywers for YouTube, Rapidshare etc. they do it without losing safe harbor. YouTube remove porn (select).
Rapidshare takes it further by banning duplicates. Maybe that should be implemented too, beside the fingerprint technology. Then nick2 won't be a problem.Last edited by Dirty Dane; 10-08-2010, 08:40 PM.Comment
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Fabian Thylmann, you're no saint or businessman. You don't have to fear me and I never once said you had to. However, you will fear what lies ahead for Manwin. I guarantee it.Eric, it is not hard to notice that you are not a business minded person. All you can do in these threads, although you claim you are this big awesome protector of the content, is be a little kid and call me names... do funky claims like....
And other completely childish and useless comments. The haters in this thread might love you for them, but that is all you get from it... I do not fear you and never will...
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You are correct. Youtube is an example of this.I don't think any host lose their safe harbor if it's in their TOS that all content will be removed if banned or they upload something else not allowed. Maybe your lawyers should consult with the laywers for YouTube, Rapidshare etc. they do it without losing safe harbor. YouTube remove porn (select).
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This was in reply to this question.
So a US law applies in countries outside the US. Can you explain how that works and does it go in front of the countries law?No, you're wrong. You assume all the Tubes are subject to the DMCA law. Try enforcing it in Russia, Ukraine or any other country that does not give a fuck about the US DMCA law. Does the "available tech" stipulation apply in the EU?
Also Atticus said this.
"Part of the DMCA law states that to comply a tube has to take advantage of available tech."
Does that mean you have use all the available technology or content owners have to use it to use it to police you?Comment
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So you have now had your attention drawn to this bug, will you fix it or hide behind the "bug" excuse?Regarding the posts about weird looking stuff... like the dates for uploaded and joined and so on... you all do realize that programs have bugs, right? Digging around and posting every little thing you find, is very nice of you for our people in Q&A (or very bad, if they keep missing obvious things and will now get fired) since you are helping them find bugs, but it proves nothing...
Also now you've had your attention drawn to these 2 people will you be deleting all their movies or hiding behind the DMCA clause that the content owner has to send a DMCA notice? Because from what I can see these 2 people are uploading content from many different studios.
Both questions go to your intentions of cleaning up the companies act. Either empty rhetoric or a true statement of intentions.Last edited by Paul Markham; 10-08-2010, 10:23 PM.Comment
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I have little to do now I'm retired, so maybe it's a job I should be doing and let Fabian tell us all these nicknames are from before he took over, or he owns all the content or it's a work in progress.* = Actually if I were highly motivated I would crawl everything on the site at least once a day and log it all; retaining it. Like you say "bugs" always exist in software. If someone were hiding something it would probably be a matter of time until it was somehow revealed one way or another. Being in the right place at the right time would be invaluable. As well as properly documenting it.
Do I charge Manwin for this service.
Nor as much as we're looking for the excuses that trip off your keyboard.
Can you explain what the term Private means in the uploaders history of uploaded content?
So the DMCA law prohibits you from banning and blocking a law breaker?Originally posted by Nathanjust because some person uploads 3 infringing videos does not make all of them infringing. And DMCA tells us we can not select. Them violating the TOS gets them banned.
You're not selecting, you're deleting the whole account including all the uploaded videos. No selection of content what so ever. Can you point to the place in the DMCA that says this.Last edited by Paul Markham; 10-08-2010, 11:11 PM.Comment
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It's strange how people somehow think posting my picture and real name on boards make me scared, simply because they never would reveal their own names on them...
I am actually looking _FORWARD_ to whatever you are trying to achieve... I love these little fights, I love the courts, you will be shocked of the outcome if you try anything funny...."Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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Dirty Dane, as I have said in a previous post I am not yet 100% sure what happens, and we are checking with legal also if removing it would cause us problems...What if the banned infringer also uploaded non-porn hollywood movies or underage content, but no one sent DMCA notice about that, wouldn't you remove that too? If not, what is "selecting content"? If you choose to let only porn movies stay, then you ARE selecting.
I don't think any host lose their safe harbor if it's in their TOS that all content will be removed if banned or they upload something else not allowed. Maybe your lawyers should consult with the laywers for YouTube, Rapidshare etc. they do it without losing safe harbor. YouTube remove porn (select).
Rapidshare takes it further by banning duplicates. Maybe that should be implemented too, beside the fingerprint technology. Then nick2 won't be a problem.
And you simply do not understand what selecting content is. Youtube not allowing porn is not selecting content, Us not allowing non-porn or illegal content is not selecting content either."Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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My real name is all over the web tough guy. Lose the threats Fabian.It's strange how people somehow think posting my picture and real name on boards make me scared, simply because they never would reveal their own names on them...
I am actually looking _FORWARD_ to whatever you are trying to achieve... I love these little fights, I love the courts, you will be shocked of the outcome if you try anything funny....Comment
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He said tube "hosts" not tube..
I am guessing he said this because the Subpoena is sent to Reflected Networks, which hosts Tube8.com. Instead of to us directly, which honestly I do not get but ok... I will let him play his games..."Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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No Paul, I did not say US law applies in the EU. I replied it to "Does the "available tech" stipulation apply in the EU?" ... has nothing to do with US law. There are similar rulings in Europe which make "available tech" stipulation apply...This was in reply to this question.
So a US law applies in countries outside the US. Can you explain how that works and does it go in front of the countries law?
Also Atticus said this.
"Part of the DMCA law states that to comply a tube has to take advantage of available tech."
Does that mean you have use all the available technology or content owners have to use it to use it to police you?"Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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Paul, as I said multiple times, its a case by case basis, we can not simply remove all content, we own licenses to a ton of content so we will see what happens. The two users will likely get banned from uploading content again.So you have now had your attention drawn to this bug, will you fix it or hide behind the "bug" excuse?
Also now you've had your attention drawn to these 2 people will you be deleting all their movies or hiding behind the DMCA clause that the content owner has to send a DMCA notice? Because from what I can see these 2 people are uploading content from many different studios.
Both questions go to your intentions of cleaning up the companies act. Either empty rhetoric or a true statement of intentions.
This has very little to do with intention of the company... For all you know, we own special tube licenses from everyone out there... Also, asking me these questions right now, is useless, its the weekend, I can not give you real answers and it takes time to get many of them... As I have said, we are changing various aspects of how the tubes work, none of that can and will happen overnight. Either you accept that or you do not, but that's how it is going to be...
I will simply continue on my route and maybe at some point more people here on GFY will accept that I actually am doing things... maybe not... and I honestly do not care much since I know for myself that I am..."Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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"Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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