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  • RycEric
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2009
    • 1313

    #241
    Originally posted by Noe
    My biggest concern is that with the current DMCA law..which allows just about anyone to become a DMCA agent, and without any regulation allows these type of institutions to become viable and for-profit business models..we will see a new breed of copyright trolls who are simply profiteers and are not interested in protecting intellectual copyright at all. Unless we have safeguards, this can be an ends-to-a-means for our industry as I forsee it. What safeguards can be implemented from preventing this?
    Hey Noe,
    How did that hentai content work out for you? Have you guys been served yet? I find it hilarious you, of all people, selling unlicensed hentai content would chime in here. Shall I post the court settlement and admission of guilt by your content broker?

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    • Nautilus
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2002
      • 1631

      #242
      Originally posted by Nathan
      Nautilus, we will try to red flag it if we can identify it.
      Not all of our videos are watermarked (we're still working on it), but those that are can be identified easily, for example:

      http://www.spankwire.com/Pantyhose-Sex/video220318/

      Regardless of that though, someone recutting the video most likely is not covered by DMCA safe harbor, just FYI. Although it is not 100% clear, it's likely they would lose in court.
      A person who's uploading video is not covered under DMCA, no matter if the video was recutted or now.
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      • Nautilus
        Confirmed User
        • Sep 2002
        • 1631

        #243
        Originally posted by Nathan
        What happens to their old videos is a good question, I can not say right now, have to find out.
        I'm interested to know the answer too, please find out and let us know.
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        • RycEric
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2009
          • 1313

          #244
          Originally posted by Nautilus
          I'm interested to know the answer too, please find out and let us know.
          In terms of spankwire, they used to have a hidden CDN where all the master flvs are archived. I'm not sure how it operates now, however, in the past they simply clicked the video off.. not remove.. (just like you can do with traditional TGP software) and reactivate it at a future time. I'll need to do some digging and find it.

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          • signupdamnit
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2007
            • 6697

            #245
            Originally posted by RycEric
            In terms of spankwire, they used to have a hidden CDN where all the master flvs are archived. I'm not sure how it operates now, however, in the past they simply clicked the video off.. not remove.. (just like you can do with traditional TGP software) and reactivate it at a future time. I'll need to do some digging and find it.
            If true that would probably be a great thing to be able to prove in a future court case. Might even be able to use it to put someone in jail for perjury.

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            • Nautilus
              Confirmed User
              • Sep 2002
              • 1631

              #246
              Originally posted by RycEric
              In terms of spankwire, they used to have a hidden CDN where all the master flvs are archived. I'm not sure how it operates now, however, in the past they simply clicked the video off.. not remove.. (just like you can do with traditional TGP software) and reactivate it at a future time. I'll need to do some digging and find it.
              That's outrageous

              BTW, love your avatar, very creative
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              • RycEric
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2009
                • 1313

                #247
                Originally posted by signupdamnit
                If true that would probably be a great thing to be able to prove in a future court case. Might even be able to use it to put someone in jail for perjury.
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                Last edited by RycEric; 10-06-2010, 06:57 AM.

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                • Nathan
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 3108

                  #248
                  Originally posted by Nautilus
                  Not all of our videos are watermarked (we're still working on it), but those that are can be identified easily, for example:

                  http://www.spankwire.com/Pantyhose-Sex/video220318/



                  A person who's uploading video is not covered under DMCA, no matter if the video was recutted or now.
                  My point is that if they do it automated on user uploaded content they might not be covered either.
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                  • Luscious Media
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 785

                    #249
                    Originally posted by Nathan
                    No you can not, because that would be illegal.

                    If however you had a tube and someone ELSE ripped all our best scenes, made a compilation, and posted it to your tube and you made a ton of money from it, then you are right, it's ok on your part, but we would DMCA it. If you then would not remove it, then it would not be ok again.
                    Ain't DMCA grand? As long as we can lay blame on "someone ELSE" for creating and uploading it we're all set. Awesome!

                    Then you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again, you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again, you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again, you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again...

                    Sound familiar?
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                    • Nautilus
                      Confirmed User
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 1631

                      #250
                      Originally posted by Nathan
                      It treats it as one infringement, so counts against their number allowed before they are banned. I think that currently is 3 infringements. What happens to their old videos is a good question, I can not say right now, have to find out.
                      Nathan, one more question regarding your acceptable use policy.

                      Does it always have to be 3 infringments for an uploader to be banned? If it is only one, but a BIG one, what happens then?

                      For example, if you get DMCA to take down this video:
                      http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=229526824

                      Will you wait until the next 2 DMCAs arrive, or will you check this user's profile and find out that he's uploaded the entire publicinvasion.com member area to your site and pro-actively ban him?

                      http://www.pornhub.com/users/crispoc.../public?page=1
                      http://www.pornhub.com/users/crispoc.../public?page=2
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                      • Nautilus
                        Confirmed User
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 1631

                        #251
                        Originally posted by Luscious Media
                        Then you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again, you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again, you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again, you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again...

                        Sound familiar?
                        Damn, that surely sounds familiar
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                        • RycEric
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 1313

                          #252
                          Originally posted by Nautilus
                          BTW, love your avatar, very creative
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                          • DWB
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 31779

                            #253
                            Originally posted by Allison
                            Here are some images I was given permission representing the technical components a bit more. This may seem overwhelming for some so I will add our experience. We've created digital finger prints with a couple different providers. With one provider it took us a month, with the APAP system it took us 3 days with minimal human intervention because their system was so well automated.

                            Here's the Finger Print Process:

                            OK, that much makes sense then, thanks for posting that.

                            So then the question becomes, how easy will it be for pirates to strip out this meta data that is being added to the video? I would think if someone can break DRM or remove EXIF tags from photos, it may not take long to strip the videos of this. I'm sure this was already taken into consideration, but it seems like something that may be easy to defeat with a little know-how.

                            Another question is, if it's a finger print, does the printing take into consideration a video that may be scaled up/down or have the ratio change to try to elude the system?

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                            • Nathan
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 3108

                              #254
                              Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                              OK, that much makes sense then, thanks for posting that.

                              So then the question becomes, how easy will it be for pirates to strip out this meta data that is being added to the video? I would think if someone can break DRM or remove EXIF tags from photos, it may not take long to strip the videos of this. I'm sure this was already taken into consideration, but it seems like something that may be easy to defeat with a little know-how.

                              Another question is, if it's a finger print, does the printing take into consideration a video that may be scaled up/down or have the ratio change to try to elude the system?
                              DWB, the meta data is not stored in the video, its in the VideoDNA database at Vobile. Vobile reports it back to the tube (in case of a match) with the match result. Nothing is stored in the video.

                              And yes, it takes into consideration scaling, quality and cropping.
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                              • Half man, Half Amazing
                                Confirmed User
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 372

                                #255
                                Originally posted by Allison
                                Let's keep this thread actually productive and get back to people getting asking questions regarding finger prints please.

                                Several companies have hit me up personally to get information and I welcome that if anyone prefer not to post.

                                Unproductive comments, complaints, or opinions I don't have time for, but I'll continue to be happy to respond to any person willing to take action to realistically curb piracy.
                                So here would be an interesting test of this system:

                                Let the GFY Community know when say all the Couples Seduce Teens or Teens For Cash videos have been fingerprinted and when Manwich is using those fingerprints on all their tube sites. Then challenge the GFY Community to find any of those videos on the Manwich Network for The Advancement of Copyright Infringement family of tube sites. If we find a CST or TFC then we know that something isn't right.

                                Mainly
                                Assisting
                                iN
                                Willfully
                                Infringing
                                Copyright
                                Holders
                                Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.

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