Manwin and Pink Visual Answer Your Digital Finger Printing/Filtering Questions
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Not all of our videos are watermarked (we're still working on it), but those that are can be identified easily, for example:
http://www.spankwire.com/Pantyhose-Sex/video220318/
A person who's uploading video is not covered under DMCA, no matter if the video was recutted or now.Regardless of that though, someone recutting the video most likely is not covered by DMCA safe harbor, just FYI. Although it is not 100% clear, it's likely they would lose in court..
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In terms of spankwire, they used to have a hidden CDN where all the master flvs are archived. I'm not sure how it operates now, however, in the past they simply clicked the video off.. not remove.. (just like you can do with traditional TGP software) and reactivate it at a future time. I'll need to do some digging and find it.Comment
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If true that would probably be a great thing to be able to prove in a future court case. Might even be able to use it to put someone in jail for perjury.In terms of spankwire, they used to have a hidden CDN where all the master flvs are archived. I'm not sure how it operates now, however, in the past they simply clicked the video off.. not remove.. (just like you can do with traditional TGP software) and reactivate it at a future time. I'll need to do some digging and find it.
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That's outrageousIn terms of spankwire, they used to have a hidden CDN where all the master flvs are archived. I'm not sure how it operates now, however, in the past they simply clicked the video off.. not remove.. (just like you can do with traditional TGP software) and reactivate it at a future time. I'll need to do some digging and find it.
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http://n1.public.spankwire.com/3/Last edited by RycEric; 10-06-2010, 06:57 AM.Comment
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My point is that if they do it automated on user uploaded content they might not be covered either.Not all of our videos are watermarked (we're still working on it), but those that are can be identified easily, for example:
http://www.spankwire.com/Pantyhose-Sex/video220318/
A person who's uploading video is not covered under DMCA, no matter if the video was recutted or now."Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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Ain't DMCA grand? As long as we can lay blame on "someone ELSE" for creating and uploading it we're all set. Awesome!No you can not, because that would be illegal.
If however you had a tube and someone ELSE ripped all our best scenes, made a compilation, and posted it to your tube and you made a ton of money from it, then you are right, it's ok on your part, but we would DMCA it. If you then would not remove it, then it would not be ok again.
Then you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again, you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again, you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again, you DMCA us, we take it down, it gets loaded again...
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Nathan, one more question regarding your acceptable use policy.
Does it always have to be 3 infringments for an uploader to be banned? If it is only one, but a BIG one, what happens then?
For example, if you get DMCA to take down this video:
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=229526824
Will you wait until the next 2 DMCAs arrive, or will you check this user's profile and find out that he's uploaded the entire publicinvasion.com member area to your site and pro-actively ban him?
http://www.pornhub.com/users/crispoc.../public?page=1
http://www.pornhub.com/users/crispoc.../public?page=2.
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Damn, that surely sounds familiar
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OK, that much makes sense then, thanks for posting that.Here are some images I was given permission representing the technical components a bit more. This may seem overwhelming for some so I will add our experience. We've created digital finger prints with a couple different providers. With one provider it took us a month, with the APAP system it took us 3 days with minimal human intervention because their system was so well automated.
Here's the Finger Print Process:
So then the question becomes, how easy will it be for pirates to strip out this meta data that is being added to the video? I would think if someone can break DRM or remove EXIF tags from photos, it may not take long to strip the videos of this. I'm sure this was already taken into consideration, but it seems like something that may be easy to defeat with a little know-how.
Another question is, if it's a finger print, does the printing take into consideration a video that may be scaled up/down or have the ratio change to try to elude the system?Comment
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DWB, the meta data is not stored in the video, its in the VideoDNA database at Vobile. Vobile reports it back to the tube (in case of a match) with the match result. Nothing is stored in the video.OK, that much makes sense then, thanks for posting that.
So then the question becomes, how easy will it be for pirates to strip out this meta data that is being added to the video? I would think if someone can break DRM or remove EXIF tags from photos, it may not take long to strip the videos of this. I'm sure this was already taken into consideration, but it seems like something that may be easy to defeat with a little know-how.
Another question is, if it's a finger print, does the printing take into consideration a video that may be scaled up/down or have the ratio change to try to elude the system?
And yes, it takes into consideration scaling, quality and cropping."Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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So here would be an interesting test of this system:Let's keep this thread actually productive and get back to people getting asking questions regarding finger prints please.
Several companies have hit me up personally to get information and I welcome that if anyone prefer not to post.
Unproductive comments, complaints, or opinions I don't have time for, but I'll continue to be happy to respond to any person willing to take action to realistically curb piracy.
Let the GFY Community know when say all the Couples Seduce Teens or Teens For Cash videos have been fingerprinted and when Manwich is using those fingerprints on all their tube sites. Then challenge the GFY Community to find any of those videos on the Manwich Network for The Advancement of Copyright Infringement family of tube sites. If we find a CST or TFC then we know that something isn't right.
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