Manwin and Pink Visual Answer Your Digital Finger Printing/Filtering Questions

thank you for clarifying..

i tried to upload watermarked content in the past and it was always rejected...

i will try again and report back my results..

i will say that i respect you coming here and regardless of the comments, you continue to stick around and don't disappear when the conversation becomes heated...





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marketsmart, thank you.

And I second Allison's post. Although we of course expected some of this, let's try to stick to the actual subject and that is Digital Fingerprinting.

My concern I guess is the lack of regulation on who can become a DMCA agent and how those agencies can operate; not necessarily content owners who are interested in protecting their content from being pirated. I guess this is an issue that you and Allison can't resolve, but one that needs to be addressed at the DMCA level. I commend you both for at least working towards a solution together; I'm all about longevity for the industry lol and don't like to obsess on the problem, but rather solutions.

Many thanks for all the explanatory slides

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just wow

Here's how

Very simple to have video disappear and reappear.

I used to really respect you, now I think you should go fuck yourself. Selling out to the bad guys, I hope all affiliates realize this and stop traffic immediately.

Nathan, please pass it on to your reviewers to "red flag" and reject all clips that bear FerroNetwork logo on them, unless they were sumbitted by users with the e-mail addresses like *anything*@ferrocash.com

Nautilus, we can add it and you take a partner account. If not, to only red flag if email is different is too complicated, sorry.

Thanks Allison, that clarifies alot.

Can you please also ask them to post some specs about the accuracy of their method. What I'm interested to know is outlined in the list of questions below:

1. What is the average discover rate for this tech in most of the standard cases? I mean, out of 100 videos that were posted at tubes more or less as is, without big changes such as half screen logo and recompressed at standard 400-700kb/s, how many will be found?

2. What is the lowest bitrate threshold for videos to still be recognizeable by this tech? 200kb/s, 100kb/s? Basically, the question is how badly a tube needs to recompress a video to fly under the radar unnoticed.

3. Will videos be still identifiable by this tech if they were distorted? It is not uncommon for many of the tube uploaders to take a 16:9 HD video, add their own watermark and then reencode it to a 4:3 SD video (I'll post some screenshots later of this happening).

4. Will videos be still identifiable by this tech if they were BOTH cropped AND distorted. It is happening often with our HD vids - some uploader crops out about 150 pixels from both left and right to remove logos, then adds his own watermark and reencodes it to a 4:3 SD video. The resulting video looks shitty, but it is still somehow passable for many tubes and they accept his uploads. And it is both cropped and distorted, so it's DNA signature must be very different from the original one.

5. What % of the image should be rewatermarked/changed to avoid detection? I've seen videos where the new logos/ads added by thieves were pretty much half screen. Can this tech still deal with those?

6. If an HD (16:9) video was resized to a SD (4:3) video by using color bars full of ads, can this tech still deal with those? It is pretty much widespread nowadays for tube uploaders do downsize a 1280x720 HD vid to a 640x360 piece and embed it into a 640x480 template and then use the remaining space to add lots of promo - they do that because at most tubes their flash players are still SD. Those ads are not simple color bars that are easily identifiable. It is most often a colored text, but sometimes full color images too.

mansef strikes again

If it's too complicated than simply red flag it.

Thank you.

A little off-topic here, but when your fancy whizbang system identifies a fingerprinted video that is clearly copyright infringement, will you delete the profile of the uploader and all of the other videos that profile has uploaded? You could seriously cut down the massive amount of piracy on your site by implementing that one little thing.

It treats it as one infringement, so counts against their number allowed before they are banned. I think that currently is 3 infringements. What happens to their old videos is a good question, I can not say right now, have to find out.

Nautilus, we will try to red flag it if we can identify it.

Also, regarding your questions of what is detectable: I do not know the specifics but it detects on both audio and video, and that even afterer at least some cropping and quite a bit of quality drop. We are going to test a bit with our own content.

Regardless of that though, someone recutting the video most likely is not covered by DMCA safe harbor, just FYI. Although it is not 100% clear, it's likely they would lose in court.