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#196

10-05-2010, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

uhm.. Eric, I said _WE_.. what is so hard to understand here? You think I call the FBI myself? You kidding me or something?

I still call bullshit. Name the division and I'll drop it. Otherwise, continue to use that as a selling tool and see how far that gets you.
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#197

10-05-2010, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by SiMpLe

WOW looking at the cap I made you can REALLY tell who's content that is imo - My logo is the biggest thing on the page!! How could you all not see that and accept it lmao

BTW, there's no DMCA for trademarks. If your logo is your registered trademark, you can easily get their asses busted, UGC or not.

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#198

10-05-2010, 01:21 PM

I have called the FBI myself. The first time was kind of a nervous jittery thing. Turns out they are people too. The next few times was much easier.
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#199

10-05-2010, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Nautilus

This digital fingerprinting tech is covering all stuff including those videos already circulating. It's kinda comparing two videos pixel by pixel to see if they match, just more sophisticated. You do not need to add any watermarks (visible or invisible) to your video to make it identifiable by this tech - it works with any video as is. And since it's pixel-by-pixel comparing, it can find matches even if the original video was strongly modified, for example recompressed, cropped, rewatermarked etc.

This thing is cool, it's just very server intensive - that's why they're not offering the whole lot of tubes with their monitoring services, and limit the amount of videos that you can submit for a fixed price. This thing is just too heavy on CPU usage to let it loose scanning all infringing sites comparing all finds with the database of a million protected vids and charge $10/month for that.

Aside from CPU issues, the cost of a license is still out of this world for most DFP apps - one more reason why all DFP services charge insane prices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...fingerprinting

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#200

10-05-2010, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by RycEric

I still call bullshit. Name the division and I'll drop it. Otherwise, continue to use that as a selling tool and see how far that gets you.

Where have I used this as a "selling tool"? You confuse me Eric, really...

Think whatever you want, see if I care.

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#201

10-05-2010, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

V, _READ_ the press release. It says "has agreed to implement ? and is already testing ?"... where does it say anything about it already running at 100% right now on all our tubes?

Ahh... OK... I would think you'd showcase a particular video people can see this working on. That'd clear a lot of this up and restore faith...
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#202

10-05-2010, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

Ahh... OK... I would think you'd showcase a particular video people can see this working on. That'd clear a lot of this up and restore faith...

V, none of the people here complaining right now WANT to restore any faith. Why bother?

Currently, clips we find when uploaded are removed and not added to the site. So I can not really show you any monetization created by the system as of right now.

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#203

10-05-2010, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by stever

so as of now only 9 tubes are participating?
which doesnt really make this worth it since most of the pirating is happening on torrents/forums/etc

as for the partner program do you really think that tube sites will want to have a trailer overwrite a full scene that has a digital video fingerprint? when they prefer to have full length or longer videos? this goes against their whole business model and would hurt their traffic if all videos uploaded became trailers

and lastly not sure if this was answered about robbie's question what happens to all the stuff that is already circulating out there? this cannot be protected? and future dvd releases?

Regarding "only 9 tubes". First of all, as of 4 weeks ago there were technically 0 participating and now 9 major tubes are participating. Secondly, this technology can be applied to torrents. And here is what Fabian stated earlier:

Originally posted by Nathan

Smaller tubes will have to follow since they can nolonger claim the technology does not work or is not used. There is a provision in DMCA law that makes it very clear to them that in order to keep safe harbor they have to implement technical means available to protect content owners.

It's one of the reason's I started looking at the various service providers in the field in March of this year already.

Obviously there will always be illegal tubes/sites which will not follow and hide behind the law, but they will be easier to target by any content owners.

As far as why tubes would do the monetization program when they use the technology. It comes down to a business choice. Some may prefer to just remove the content completely & not participate. In that case, they pay the cost of running that system. Some may see opportunities in the monetization program.

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#204

10-05-2010, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by SiMpLe

Nathen since you deleted the video on pornhub, I will just leave this here and ask the question again. Can you answer this for me

"" Why doesn't Manwin just stop taking user submitted content. Trust me you can tell the difference between ama and studio. And if you can't....

The best is when I find my stuff on your tubes with the 2257 slate before the scene or our watermark clearly visable on the bottom right. Why accept that submission? ""

I think the answer is this. You remove submitted content, and all the tubes are left with is 4 min content. Ask any tube out there how long they will last without any content over the 10 min mark. If surfers don't see the full clips listed, they will move on to another tube who does have them. Its gonna be like playing whack-a-mole

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#205

10-05-2010, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by RycEric

you just said you work direct with the FBI. I have several on speed dial.

You remember all that shit I was talking about when I called you and I was all fucked up? I was just kidding. I never knew her. And forget that stuff about tying Nathan to a tree and shoving a live chicken up his butt. Just jokes man. Just jokes.
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#206

10-05-2010, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

You remember all that shit I was talking about when I called you and I was all fucked up? I was just kidding. I never knew her. And forget that stuff about tying Nathan to a tree and shoving a live chicken up his butt. Just jokes man. Just jokes.
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#207

10-05-2010, 01:50 PM

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#208

10-05-2010, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by RycEric

Sean,
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http://www.spankwire.com/Ashlynn-Bro...e/video224376/
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10-05-2010, 02:05 PM

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#210

10-05-2010, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Nautilus

BTW, if you have any good DFP links, please post them either here on in your educational thread.

Here are some images I was given permission representing the technical components a bit more. This may seem overwhelming for some so I will add our experience. We've created digital finger prints with a couple different providers. With one provider it took us a month, with the APAP system it took us 3 days with minimal human intervention because their system was so well automated.

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