Bombers and military junk metal and "we are invincible" chat is meaningless. Caesar was invincible as well and he had far more power in relative terms than the US today.

Changes of power start with economics and these changes have already started with the "empire" of the US. The US economy is shrinking and in a "state of denial" and this will continue while other regions strengthen.

This cycle has been repeated time and again and will continue...

As for nuclear power, those who have it get "jealous" about others having it - morality ain't on that horizon - more like "I'm a big guy and I wanna be able to smash your face in". Tis more "kids talk" and that of a bully than anything sane. Odd world :)

Originally posted by ColKurtz
The usa is in a unique position. Even though we are bullies etc, we have done an awful lot helping other countries in war, thru aide, etc. Basically the usa is a peacful nation of law. If we werent, then canada and south america would have been taken over years ago.

DUH?? *lol* Na.. I got work to do! That don't need or deserve an answer!:Graucho

The US economy is shrinking and in a "state of denial" and this will continue while other regions strengthen.

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Another uneducated MORON, both US and Canadian economies are growing, slowly but steady, our unemploynment rate is quite lowand if you wanna see bad economies look at Japan or most of the Europe

Rose:
Another uneducated MORON, both US and Canadian economies are growing, slowly but steady, our unemploynment rate is quite lowand if you wanna see bad economies look at Japan or most of the Europe

I never mentioned the Canadian economy and current unemployment figures ain't a guide to the overall decline of the US economy (although they are a joke). There are other regions on this planet in a more fit state for growth than the US.

On a "minor" level the dollar is buggered - based on some crystal ball value (kinda like Wall Street share values). The national debt is a joke. The foreign investment in US is supported at a rate of 1.4 Billion a day cos of the currency. Some of these "little" things may just give a a clue - course, I am a uneducated moron - so wot the fuck do I know :Kissmy

What the fuckdo you know? Not much about economy, I can tell you that. Dollar is finally falling down to more natural levels. Actually strong dollar hurt US economy, making exports expensive and imports cheap, expect another 10%fall of the dollar.
NAFTA zone did much better than Eurozone last year

Rose:

I am only VERY happy that I ain't holding a lot of US dollars since they would have cost me hell knows wot! Instead my *real value* increased by about 24% while I sat on my ass and did nothing - that's "real" economics - and thanks to some of these "doing not so well countries" :glugglug

hey whatever, I am not here to give you economic lessons(but you could use some). only stupids hold any large ammount of cash anyway(any cash, not just the dollar). Lower dollar will help US economy, just like lower Canadian dollar helped canadian economy.

Rose:

*hey whatever, I am not here to give you economic lessons(but you could use some). only stupids hold any large ammount of cash anyway(any cash, not just the dollar). Lower dollar will help US economy, just like lower Canadian dollar helped canadian economy.*

Yea yea.. lower it, up it as ya want! I ain't giving a shit about the US economy - just know it is a joke and getting worse! If ya want to give lectures on economy - start off by explaining to Bush how to spell economy.. na.. don't bother - Condi probably told him - she's good at spelling! :Graucho

Is this thread about nuclear power?? :sleep

last i checked the global economy is shit, not only the states.

o and webby the reason why the US dollar dropped was because it was overvalued. usually people pump money into US dollars as a 'safe place' for their money when things aren't going to well. gold is another place where money goes during those same times.

Ok last response,I'll try again. do you know why Canadian economy is the fastest growing economy among all civilized nations right now? I'll give you a clue = canadian low dollar, it makes canadian products much cheaper abroad.

Rose:

?? Canadian economy now?? Yea... so? The point? They got a nuclear arsenal in Canada now or is this another "try" at stating the obvious in the basic economic lecture?

All I was saying was the US economy is up shit creek (along with many others) and many other regions are in a far better state to grow than the US. This was only mentioned as a "sideline" to a shift in power - not mean't as some sensitive debate on the US economy. Sheesh.. some folks are sensitive about stuff!

Times change and seem to have changed pretty quick in the US over the last couple of years.. that ain't hard to see....

I haven't read the conversation in this thread, but I'll comment on the question; because they're going to be responsible with them.

They have to have them, or else other countries would have something over them. They're the most powerfull country in the world, and even though I'm not American, I'm damn glad they are. They don't want to let hostile countries get their hands on nukes, and I'm damn glad they're stepping up and stopping it. I'm not politically correct at all, all I care about is the safety of my familly, and entire country for that matter.

FlyingIguana:

*s* US was one of the best offshores in the world a few years back!:winkwink:

economies have good times and bad. right now the states is going through very slow growth. that doesn't mean their economy is 'up shit creek'.

No, money rules the world and we have lots of it and are willing to spend it to get our way...

Furthermore...
They new fission could be done but had the math wrong on it and thought it couldn't be done practially.

FlyingIguana:

*economies have good times and bad. right now the states is going through very slow growth. that doesn't mean their economy is 'up shit creek'.*

OK.. "up shit creek" ain't the economists term - some massaged figures/percentages might be appropriate *s* Hell knows.. who does know how far up the creek it is - time will tell. I just ain't got this good feeling about it and the current management of it, but sure hope I am badly wrong!

only two things can drive the american economy into a recession right now. one, a war on iraq. two, inflation, which jumps enough to force the fed reserve to increase interest rates. those are the most likely causes of a decline.

no economy can sustain high growth levels, especially one with the size of the american economy. whats going on now is simply the business cycle doing its thing. i believe there was only a one quarter recession which is nothing. might have been two, they revised shit and i didn't really keep up on the bs.

I guess you havent heard but we do. Lost three thousand brave souls on 9 -11.

how exactly were they brave?

they were working and a plane flew into them

You are a Pathetic piece of Shit...
:321GFY

Shut the fuck up. You make me want to bash your face with a sledgehammer.

good comeback

you tell me how my statement isn't true?

I could shoot you tomorrow but it wouldn't make you 'brave' would it now?

:1orglaugh

stop it, you're turning me on

You cannot uninvent them and with crazies like Kim & Sadam around you need them in the hands of the "Good guys" as well.

Bush knows that Sadam has them, he's just keeping it a secret from the weapons inspectors. He would much rather take in the troops on his word than actual proof?????????

We have two great experts here from Euro zone

jammy boy - political expert
and
webby - economic expert

Maybe they shoud think before they open their mouth. It's better to be quiet than open your mouth and look stupid

Because having everything, we yanks desire nothing that others have. Thus, we're the least likely to ever use them for evil purposes.


oh, and I didn't bother reading anyone else's response. :glugglug

A.D.D.?

Everyone seems to be looking at this from the angle that they are untouchable, that no country would have the power to take on the US. Why would an attack have to come from a country as such....? Far easier to attack from within causing chaos.

As soon as we go to war with Iraq, alongside the US, we will suffer this fate. When we were at war in the Gulf the first time, there was upset here... walls spray painted with 'Saddam the saviour' type bullshit and there were far less immigrants here then. There are far too many and even more immigrants here now, without being racist, that terroist cells blend in with, into our society without being notice. I don't really want to be living here when it does kick off..... wondering to myself if my neighbour is just being polite to hide the fact that he is a terrorist and wants to kill us all. When the threat lives alongside you, you don't exactly have a true target to retaliate against and it could well be too late.

This was from Jan 7th News:-

"Traces of a potentially fatal poison found at a house in north London have prompted the prime minister to reiterate that terrorism is a "present and real" danger.
Ricin is a toxic material, made from castor oil seeds - which if ingested or inhaled - can kill. .... blah de blah"

Face it, we are fucked if any of us go to war. This 'we' are untouchable bullshit is very blind even if it is patriotic.

Amazing that people even start a discussion with an airhead like jammyjenkins.
The boy is against everything that he hasn't and will never get.

A country like the US or west european countries won't sell their nukes.
A fucked up country like N. Korea or Iraq will not use nukes anytime soon but they could sell them to terrorists who would love to use them.

we just fogot to patent them...


didnt read anything after page 1...

its a good question, i agree with several answers that were covered. I think that it comes down to the country that has the 'power', sets the standard for what the rules should be. Other countries dont need to agree with us to sign treaties that we want them to sign. We have Ambassadors that lobby them, offer economic trade incentives and subsidies if they do, and subtle penalties if they dont.

Cuba had a very rich economy before we placed the embargo in the early 60s due to the Cuban Missile Crisis. Russia had just placed nuclear warheads in Cuba, around 90 miles away. At the same time, we had no less than 5 different sets of nuclear weapons located in different countries surrounding the Soviet Union, within firing range of the Soviet Union.

there is a good thread a while ago where Serge and Labret dealt with 'fairness' and what is fair to whom

At the same time, being the current dominating world power, more is expected of us, so we have to be reasonable with our decisions, as we have shown to be in the past.

that said, i am glad that I live in the US and that our government is protecting my interests.

This is a ridiculous question...

We have nukes, lots of them, and that lets us dictate power. I believe if you look at history, the most powerful countries have alway exerted their considerable influence on the world, to their benefit

I believe it falls under the category of human nature. We want things to advantageous to us...and have the technology and firepower to make sure it happens.

I kinda chuckled when the size of populations and standing armies was mentioned...we have yet to deploy any of the "fuel air bombs" or other type weapons we have...troop strength and populations are of little consequence.

Is it good? Bad? I don't know or care....I am just glad to be on the right side.

Jammy- You are in left field, baby. By virtue of the US economic wealth we could stay in power for fifteen years, without dropping a bomb...get a ticket on the "get a clue" bus.

pray tell me, what won't I ever get?

truly sad

:1orglaugh

I know I'm right, so this is the last time I'll reiterate:

15 years

mark my words

There will be a very different playing field on this planet then

we(usa) can have them because we give aid to damn near the entire world. countries who dont contribute anything to the rest of the world, or at least the country in the UN shouldnt have nukes.

Check out "Bowling for Columbine".

It's focus is on Americans and their love of guns. It's all about fear baby...and Americans are the most fearful people on the planet. We're afraid of everything...so we just arm ourselves. Simple as that.

Now if we arm ourselves and someone has what we have point at us...we're now afriad again, and the cycle starts itself over once again. We just one up our past efforts...in an attempt to feel secure.