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Barefootsies 10-02-2010 01:05 PM
A hundie pornographer lawyers.

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 17564171)
just sue everyone
True dat. Let the paramedics sort em out.

borked 10-02-2010 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17564059)
Real quick thoughts:

Steve and others ARE sticking to their primary business, and outsourcing enforcement on a contingency fee basis. Beats paying per letter to a site that will repost the content the next day.

The murky "bad precedent" argument is too vague. I am not sure people getting caught and having to pay the content producers is a bad precedent. Or establishing multiple cases where rulings make it clear that the BS defenses the pirates have are in fact BS.

Most importantly BITTORRENT IS NOT USED FOR LEGITIMATE DOWNLOADING. What a misguided argument. P2P is used to anonymously steal content (well, not so anonymous anymore :) P2P would not be used by a content producer who sells content and has it downloaded directly from his site to his legitimate clients. Bit torrent is horribly slow and inefficient compared to a direct link to a porn site. When we see bit torrent, we ask ourselves, "Hmmm, what is this person stealing today". And one study showed that 99.3% of all BT is illegal. Anyone here use BT for legal purposes?

Oh and fair use has been so discredited by federal courts on this issue that I suggest people considering that argument obtaining a westlaw account and research it. People relying on that nonsense are going to be paying our clients big money.

At the end of the day, it is all about results. The number of companies contacting my firm since the AVN article is only overshadowed by the number of pirates tying up our phone lines to discuss settlement. Something tells me Steve will be more than vocal about any success we have for him.
Andrew Crossley spoke the same words as you a few years ago. He had his 2 years run yet I doubt his firm will be continuing imo. IANAL.

ottopottomouse 10-02-2010 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17564243)
Whether you've pirated your whole life, or haven't, you'd be a complete dumbfuck fuckwad if you were currently engaged in the porn industry and couldn't see how piracy is making it CRUMBLE and wouldn't be open to REAL ACTUAL SOLUTIONS even if they are slightly unethical.
It's not a solution to piracy and i'm fairly sure if you got johnsteele drunk and then asked him off the record whether he wants piracy to stop he would say no as it would hit his pockets.

crazytrini85 10-02-2010 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 17564286)
These guys aren't actual IP lawyers. They're a step above your typical ambulance chaser. People think lawyers are scum, these guys are on the top of the list.
You do what for a living?

chronig 10-02-2010 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17564344)
It's not a solution to piracy and i'm fairly sure if you got johnsteele drunk and then asked him off the record whether he wants piracy to stop he would say no as it would hit his pockets.
Piracy is at it's highest form yet, anyone who thinks different is a fucking idiot. A blubbering fucking idiot. It's never been like this. Even if these particular measures were half as likely to succeed than what they are, it would still be worth a try.

This board is full of porn-surfing/pirating basement dwellers and that's where the typical negative sentiment towards this is coming from...

chronig 10-02-2010 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17564344)
It's not a solution to piracy and i'm fairly sure if you got johnsteele drunk and then asked him off the record whether he wants piracy to stop he would say no as it would hit his pockets.
And I don't give a fuck what johnsteele has to say about whether he wants piracy to stop or not... what a stupid comment

That's like asking a police department if they want crime to stop

No one wants to be out of work...

candyflip 10-02-2010 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17564305)
This world can be a crazy place...
True dat tootsie. :1orglaugh

ottopottomouse 10-02-2010 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17564398)
And I don't give a fuck what johnsteele has to say about whether he wants piracy to stop or not... what a stupid comment

That's like asking a police department if they want crime to stop

No one wants to be out of work...
My comment was based on you saying this:
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Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17564243)
Whether you've pirated your whole life, or haven't, you'd be a complete dumbfuck fuckwad if you were currently engaged in the porn industry and couldn't see how piracy is making it CRUMBLE and wouldn't be open to REAL ACTUAL SOLUTIONS even if they are slightly unethical.
Which made it sound like you thought this effort would actually do something to stop/reduce piracy.

candyflip 10-02-2010 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by crazytrini85 (Post 17564346)
You do what for a living?
Lots of different things.

Adult and Mainstream site owner. Property owner and manager. I've owned a restaurant and a retail storefront.

Not sure what that has to do with anything, but there you go.

chronig 10-02-2010 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17564461)
My comment was based on you saying this:

Which made it sound like you thought this effort would actually do something to stop/reduce piracy.
:uhoh

of course I think this effort would stop or more importantly and realistically REDUCE piracy :uhoh

Just like you'd think a Police department would stop or more realistically reduce crime...

Neither means that a Police chief or lawyer would want it to END COMPLETELY and be out of a job.

How about you just get back to editing some images and shut the fuck up on the issue already. You're not making any sense and I'm sure it boils down to you simply wanting to be able to continue to keep filling your pirated porn database as easily as possible

Fuck off - bye

ottopottomouse 10-02-2010 02:02 PM
You forgot to call me a surfer and say that you're putting me on ignore.

chronig 10-02-2010 02:08 PM
By the way - suing/blackmailing downloaders isn't going to scare off any porn buyers :uhoh :uhoh :uhoh - the amount of 15-21 year old broke college kid basement dwelling porn downloading faggots on this forum is ridiculous...

The current sentiment is WOW YOU PAY FOR PORN? YOU FUCKING LOSER! GET THAT SHIT FO FREE LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD IDIOT!

Watch this bastard nignog outline it here:


Fucking clown.. he says he has friends in the porn biz and isn't trying to put them out of business... well... by making this video that's exactly what he's contributing towards

So - take our beloved (weird, antisocial, quite possibly virgins as they may be) porn subscribers who definitely have to buy their subscriptions in private, get KNOCKED publically on youtube about it, and find for themselves that they're getting jipped because they're paying for something that's more or less readily available for them on various torrent sites, file sharing forums, etc around the world and present them with the current situation: UPLOADERS AND DOWNLOADERS GETTING SUED FOR PIRATING PORN!

How do you think that makes them feel for spending money on porn over the years instead of pirating it and getting sued like these other guys?? It would make them feel GREAT!

Seriously - this is an adult industry forum! Someone needs to get all these 15-20 year old mom's allowance faggots OUT of these threads with their bullshit opinions backed by their real concern of not being able to google gayfaggottwinksareus.com and download their porn for free.

crazytrini85 10-02-2010 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17564344)
It's not a solution to piracy and i'm fairly sure if you got johnsteele drunk and then asked him off the record whether he wants piracy to stop he would say no as it would hit his pockets.
I don't think anyone said they were set out to stop piracy. They are only saying they want to get paid for people viewing their content.

chronig 10-02-2010 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17564498)
You forgot to call me a surfer and say that you're putting me on ignore.
:uhoh :uhoh

crazytrini85 10-02-2010 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17564517)
Seriously - this is an adult industry forum! Someone needs to get all these 15-20 year old mom's allowance faggots OUT of these threads with their bullshit opinions backed by their real concern of not being able to google gayfaggottwinksareus.com and download their porn for free.
Preach on.

candyflip 10-02-2010 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17564517)
Seriously - this is an adult industry forum! Someone needs to get all these 15-20 year old mom's allowance faggots OUT of these threads with their bullshit opinions backed by their real concern of not being able to google gayfaggottwinksareus.com and download their porn for free.
I was 6 years old when I got started in this business. :thumbsup

flashfire 10-02-2010 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17562127)
I don't oppose it, however I think it would be more effective to sue the people who are stealing the content and then uploading it to the torrents / tube sites. I think that is who they should go after the real offender. The end down loader is guilty but not as guilty as the person who stolen it and then distributed it.

Its like going after crack addicts instead of the drug dealers. Why not go to the source of the problem??? Since they can't shut down the torrents / tube sites because of DMCA why not go after the people who put the content on the torrents? If there is nothing on the torrents then there is nothing to download.
they are scared shitless of the real offenders...they are not hard to find and we all know the big ones. It like cops going after the jon because they can't/wont touch the pimp

gideongallery 10-02-2010 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17564059)
Real quick thoughts:

Steve and others ARE sticking to their primary business, and outsourcing enforcement on a contingency fee basis. Beats paying per letter to a site that will repost the content the next day.

The murky "bad precedent" argument is too vague. I am not sure people getting caught and having to pay the content producers is a bad precedent. Or establishing multiple cases where rulings make it clear that the BS defenses the pirates have are in fact BS.

so agree to pay for the extra legal cost if the bad precedent is set then. If there is no possiblity of it happening you really should have a problem committing your firms resources.


real copyright lawyers know that timeshifting was extended to the cloud, other fair uses will also be extended in such a way.

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Most importantly BITTORRENT IS NOT USED FOR LEGITIMATE DOWNLOADING. What a misguided argument. P2P is used to anonymously steal content (well, not so anonymous anymore :)
what the fuck are you talking about bit torrent is a public broadcast protocol, you have always been able to identify the ip address of the seeders by definition that how you know who to connect too.

if you don't understand that simple fact how the hell can you be expected to understand the legal consequences of technical specs.



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P2P would not be used by a content producer who sells content and has it downloaded directly from his site to his legitimate clients. Bit torrent is horribly slow and inefficient compared to a direct link to a porn site. When we see bit torrent, we ask ourselves, "Hmmm, what is this person stealing today". And one study showed that 99.3% of all BT is illegal. Anyone here use BT for legal purposes?
currently more than 50% of all bit torrent traffic is content that is broadcast on tv. The majority of bit torrent users are using it as a vcr. And it is an obviously superior version of a vcr. the swarm is a pvr that has an infinite hard drive, which records every show, and allows you to watch what you want whenever you want, and skip the annoying commercials.

it allows people to tune into shows they didn't realize they would have liked because the tv stations did a substandard marketing of the show ( supernaturals).

the only way you get ot 99.3% illegal is by ignoring fair uses like timeshifting (see above) backup and recovery etc.



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Oh and fair use has been so discredited by federal courts on this issue that I suggest people considering that argument obtaining a westlaw account and research it. People relying on that nonsense are going to be paying our clients big money.
says the divorce lawyer who doesn't even understand the reference spec of the protocol he is discussing.


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At the end of the day, it is all about results. The number of companies contacting my firm since the AVN article is only overshadowed by the number of pirates tying up our phone lines to discuss settlement. Something tells me Steve will be more than vocal about any success we have for him.

so why not agree to cover all the legal expenses if the bad precedent happens. If you truly believed it never going to happen, you should have a problem committing your firms resources.

johnsteele 10-03-2010 12:40 AM
Ouch. Gideon Gallery is not a believer. I respect that. Lets agree to this. I will sue people, and you keep telling people what I'm doing is stupid. We will see who gets to $1M with this project first. How much money can you make arguing for the continuation of illegal downloading? Anyone who things P2P is legit is using BT to download something illegal IMHO.

I respect those who disagree with me, and I hope that in the end, we can have a beer and debate this at a bar at the next AVN show.

AzteK 10-03-2010 12:45 AM
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u-Bob 10-03-2010 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17564059)
Most importantly BITTORRENT IS NOT USED FOR LEGITIMATE DOWNLOADING.....Anyone here use BT for legal purposes?
I downloaded a slackware iso last week using bittorrent. perfectly legal.

u-Bob 10-03-2010 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17565559)
Anyone who things P2P is legit is using BT to download something illegal IMHO.
p2p = a type of architecture.
bittorrent = a p2p protocol.

Using those things is not illegal.
Yes, they can be used to download stolen content. And that would be illegal. A car can be used to transport stolen goods, but that doesn't make cars or the use of cars illegal.... djeez...

candyflip 10-03-2010 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 17565970)
p2p = a type of architecture.
bittorrent = a p2p protocol.

Using those things is not illegal.
Yes, they can be used to download stolen content. And that would be illegal. A car can be used to transport stolen goods, but that doesn't make cars or the use of cars illegal.... djeez...
He's a lawyer and you're not. He already knows everything. :winkwink:

will76 10-03-2010 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17563518)
How much is the average downloader being sued for?

How much is the person who uploads the content being sued for ?
care to answer ?

gideongallery 10-03-2010 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17565559)
Ouch. Gideon Gallery is not a believer. I respect that. Lets agree to this. I will sue people, and you keep telling people what I'm doing is stupid. We will see who gets to $1M with this project first. How much money can you make arguing for the continuation of illegal downloading? Anyone who things P2P is legit is using BT to download something illegal IMHO.

I respect those who disagree with me, and I hope that in the end, we can have a beer and debate this at a bar at the next AVN show.
still noticed you didn't commit your firms resources to everyone if your efforts create another fair use barrier to everyone elses cases (ala teen revenue botched unfair business attempt)

i would respect you if you did that, it would prove that you truely believed your "anyone who thinks p2p is legit is using BT to download something illegal"

let be honest it a money grab , you know this could turn out badly but you don't give a fuck because all it going to do is increase your billable hours if you lose.

iSpyCams 10-03-2010 09:29 AM
I wonder if it's legal to send them an invoice with some prominent text threatening legal action in case of non-payment.

I know in America you can sue anybody for anything, but sending out invoices willy-nilly is most likely not allowed.

My point is, invoicing, if legal would be gentler, certainly cheaper and wouldn't preclude suing non payers.

Barefootsies 10-03-2010 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 17566315)
I wonder if it's legal to send them an invoice with some prominent text threatening legal action in case of non-payment.

I know in America you can sue anybody for anything, but sending out invoices willy-nilly is most likely not allowed.

My point is, invoicing, if legal would be gentler, certainly cheaper and wouldn't preclude suing non payers.
Interesting thought.

candyflip 10-03-2010 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17565559)
We will see who gets to $1M with this project first. How much money can you make arguing for the continuation of illegal downloading?
Ah ha. So it is just about the money. At least we are right on that part. :winkwink:

Serge Litehead 10-03-2010 10:24 AM
gideon, you cannot throw that "50% legit torrents/downloads" until you can completely verify all of them who had what rights to this "redundant backup cloud" of yours. please stop making up facts on the fly to suit your "agenda" to counter argue.

MrRob 10-03-2010 10:30 AM
It's not only a money grab, they are creating a cash crop.

Wouldn't it be sweet if the gov payed you the fines directly and then had the offenders put on a payment plan to pay back the government.


$$$$$


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