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  • PornMD
    Mainstream Businessman
    • Jan 2007
    • 9291
    #1

    What will any of these Epass clones do FOR us to get our business?

    An interesting point came up in Paxum's latest thread where they excitedly told us all that the cards that would cost us $45 to get are ready to be sent to us (like OMG, sooo exciting!!!1). I got an early joke in, half-joke half-truth given the absurdity of these vulture companies capitalizing on people's Epass woes: "Can you send them to us with money already on them? That would REALLY show your confidence." The Paxum employee laughed it off.

    Then wot brought up a great point and one all these companies, especially the brand new ones, should consider:

    Originally posted by woj
    yea, I know that sounds amusing, but that's exactly how paypal got started...

    you could invest for example $20k, give 1000 webmasters $20 for signing up, verifying account and receiving a payment within 30 days... and do something similar for sponsors, give them $100 bonus if they try out paxum for payments... or something along those lines...

    obviously you will need tight fraud controls in place, but it will be 10x more effective than whoring every epass thread on gfy...
    Seriously - yes people need a new online payment option and because of that, many will just start diving in with one or more of the 5+ options now staring us in the face. Consider this though:

    - Many people just got fucked by Epass...some of them big time.
    - For many of these places, we need to pay out money to even get the functionality we want (i.e. $45 for Paxum's card)
    - Many of these new options are exactly that - NEW. No history to judge by, nothing.
    - Some of these new options look/smell/taste/feel very much like Epass, which means somewhere down the line they, their bank, or their card provider could fuck all of us. None of them are even saying why that would never happen with them, and that would be one of the very FIRST things I would tell people - what things are put into place to prevent an Epass situation from occurring.
    - Banks like Chase give money for people to start accounts there, poker sites match deposits and make money on the rake (fees) afterwards, etc. Why isn't a single one of these new places doing this to get business? Thus far it's been 100% spamming the boards to get new business, and doing so after most of us just got fucked by our last main option. Simply vultures.

    It doesn't have to be giving us money even...how about something like waiving fees for the first 90 days including new card fees? Or something...DO something FOR us so that we choose you - don't just blast "pick me! pick me!" at us all day long. It's working on some people but isn't going to work on most.
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    • Jdoughs
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      • Mar 2004
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      #2
      What us affiliates wants is really irrelevant, we are going to have to use what our sponsors use (or checks).

      Decision isn't really up to us, at least not with how indecisive we are as a bunch.
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        • Sly
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          • Sep 2004
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          #3
          I'd be happy if one of them just stuck around and operated properly.

          But yeh, my first PayPal account had five dollars in it. At the time, it was very cool. Personally I don't think charging someone for your brand-new product (with a fair amount of competition) will get you very far, but I have already seen a lot of demand for each of these payment companies. Will be interesting to see which few affiliates really cling on to.
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            • PornMD
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              #4
              Originally posted by Jdoughs
              What us affiliates wants is really irrelevant, we are going to have to use what our sponsors use (or checks).

              Decision isn't really up to us, at least not with how indecisive we are as a bunch.
              It's sort of the chicken or the egg...many sponsors that started up the last several years paid out by Epass because...everyone was using them. If enough people requested their sponsors to use a particular option, don't you think they'd listen? This probably wouldn't be wise if Epass were still around since they were far and away THE option, but now that they're more or less fucked, it's the perfect opportunity to create this sort of demand by winning webmasters over.
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                • Sly
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by Jdoughs
                  What us affiliates wants is really irrelevant, we are going to have to use what our sponsors use (or checks).

                  Decision isn't really up to us, at least not with how indecisive we are as a bunch.
                  I don't really think this is all that true.

                  A lot of sponsors are scrambling to set up the proper payment systems that affiliates want... the problem is this, everyone seems to want different systems! There are about five I am seeing daily now. It may seem simple to quickly add five new payment types into a payment system, but it's really not. Up until this month, everyone was happy with check, wire, and ePass. Right now it's a free for all and everyone is going in different directions. It's like herding cats!
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                    • Juicy D. Links
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                      #6
                      like i posted in my thread I am going to checks n wires str8 from sponsors....

                      at this point to even consider a "epass" alternative is pretty much russian roulette...

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                        • Jdoughs
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                          • Mar 2004
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                          #7
                          That's what I mean by it's not up to us. We couldn't agree on the color of the sky if you asked in a poll on this board. Adult webmasters are as indecisive as they come.

                          I would bet most/many of us are just sitting back waiting to see which is the most commonly used.
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                            • Randy West
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                              Go for the check option or get a brick and mortar job. How many more times are you fucking retards going to get fucked before you realize it? Deal with a REAL BANK, not some fat Italian douche bag in an Armani shirt with a faggoty smile.

                              If you trust any up in comer in this day and age you deserve to get fucked in the ass dry.

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                                • Sly
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                                  • Sep 2004
                                  • 31376
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Randy West
                                  Go for the check option or get a brick and mortar job. How many more times are you fucking retards going to get fucked before you realize it? Deal with a REAL BANK, not some fat Italian douche bag in an Armani shirt with a faggoty smile.

                                  If you trust any up in comer in this day and age you deserve to get fucked in the ass dry.
                                  Checks are difficult for non-Americans but I was thinking this whole shakedown would push more affiliates into focusing on a few individual sponsors so they could build up their monthly stash and take wires. I haven't seen this happen much yet, maybe it will as the payment dilemma continues to be a dilemma.
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                                    • PornMD
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Jdoughs
                                      That's what I mean by it's not up to us. We couldn't agree on the color of the sky if you asked in a poll on this board. Adult webmasters are as indecisive as they come.

                                      I would bet most/many of us are just sitting back waiting to see which is the most commonly used.
                                      Think about this then - if that's the case, there's even less people they need to win over - basically just the vocal ones as the silent apprehensive ones will then follow whatever the vocal uses.

                                      They're not doing anything but spam to win people over though.

                                      Originally posted by Randy West
                                      Go for the check option or get a brick and mortar job. How many more times are you fucking retards going to get fucked before you realize it? Deal with a REAL BANK, not some fat Italian douche bag in an Armani shirt with a faggoty smile.

                                      If you trust any up in comer in this day and age you deserve to get fucked in the ass dry.
                                      That may be 100% true, but there were also people like me who merely used Epass as a means of collecting payment for something (domains) and withdrew everything right away to bank. We're in the tech age...waiting for checks to clear is too slow for many of us, and wires can involve too many fees.

                                      The whole point of this is that despite these valid trust issues, none of these places are doing anything even to relieve the lack of trust let alone give a reason to use them over others except for "features"...woo.
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                                        • signupdamnit
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                                          • Aug 2007
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                                          #11
                                          Like others I prefer checks and wires. These prepaid cards and alternatives always seem to have a "scammish" feel to them. Annual fees, Decline fees (wtf?), balance inquiry fee (wtf?), Transaction fees, etc. All sorts of ridiculous fees for every little thing you do or don't do. Significantly worse than your average bank. And then we know so little about them...

                                          I mean Is it really necessary to charge us $1 to check our balance?
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                                            • paxum
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                                              • Sep 2010
                                              • 46
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by PornMD
                                              An interesting point came up in Paxum's latest thread where they excitedly told us all that the cards that would cost us $45 to get are ready to be sent to us (like OMG, sooo exciting!!!1). I got an early joke in, half-joke half-truth given the absurdity of these vulture companies capitalizing on people's Epass woes: "Can you send them to us with money already on them? That would REALLY show your confidence." The Paxum employee laughed it off.

                                              Then wot brought up a great point and one all these companies, especially the brand new ones, should consider:



                                              Seriously - yes people need a new online payment option and because of that, many will just start diving in with one or more of the 5+ options now staring us in the face. Consider this though:

                                              - Many people just got fucked by Epass...some of them big time.
                                              - For many of these places, we need to pay out money to even get the functionality we want (i.e. $45 for Paxum's card)
                                              - Many of these new options are exactly that - NEW. No history to judge by, nothing.
                                              - Some of these new options look/smell/taste/feel very much like Epass, which means somewhere down the line they, their bank, or their card provider could fuck all of us. None of them are even saying why that would never happen with them, and that would be one of the very FIRST things I would tell people - what things are put into place to prevent an Epass situation from occurring.
                                              - Banks like Chase give money for people to start accounts there, poker sites match deposits and make money on the rake (fees) afterwards, etc. Why isn't a single one of these new places doing this to get business? Thus far it's been 100% spamming the boards to get new business, and doing so after most of us just got fucked by our last main option. Simply vultures.

                                              It doesn't have to be giving us money even...how about something like waiving fees for the first 90 days including new card fees? Or something...DO something FOR us so that we choose you - don't just blast "pick me! pick me!" at us all day long. It's working on some people but isn't going to work on most.
                                              sorry to post the explanation on two threads but since it was asked twice please bear with me till I find my way around GFY.

                                              How casinos could match your deposit is because you will eventually play that money there and will loose it. Statistically the overwhelming majority will play till they loos everything or there are some find print that says you have to play the free money given several times over before withdrawing it making sure you dont see any money. At Paxum we believe we should be transparent and if we do some promotion we will not make 100 fine prints to laugh at users and just bullshit them. If we give it away we have to give as I explained in my post close to $100 per account to pay for the expenses and those $100 will not be made back before years and years. everybody is used to very low fees and trust us that we make pennies on some transactions and on other transactions we eat up the fees to make it bearable for cardholders. We simply cannot make back $100 from fees and giving that away to people that might abuse it and bring all their friends and family mmebers in just to get $20 free is simply not worth unless the fraud is managed in perfect way. And if the fraud is manage too well that always comes with complains and abuses where real people will be denied their fair chance and again we are back to square one. We will consider the idea and I thank you and the rest for the suggestion but thats not a decision that can be taken in one day and not by myself alone.

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                                                • paxum
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                                                  • Sep 2010
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                                                  like i posted in my thread I am going to checks n wires str8 from sponsors....

                                                  at this point to even consider a "epass" alternative is pretty much russian roulette...
                                                  you are 100% sure and I agree with you. Thats why people now more than ever have to do their homework to see for how long the company has been in business and worked on who is behind it and what experience it has in the business,etc . Even that we are new but Paxum has been in the works for more than 3 years now to set everything right and we are not a fly by night operation. I personally used to run several online business as well before Paxum for 12 years now and I pride myself to claim that I never stole any money from anybody and never went hiding anywhere. I am here for the long terms, so are the backers and investors in Paxum. Please understand that a payment processing ewallet business like Paxum involves a lot of work and it is not that easy to set up everything and to do it right. Yes just like in any business you have good guys and bad guys and only past experience tells the difference and now more than every everybody has to be careful who they deal with.

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                                                    • paxum
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                                                      • Sep 2010
                                                      • 46
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                                      Like others I prefer checks and wires. These prepaid cards and alternatives always seem to have a "scammish" feel to them. Annual fees, Decline fees (wtf?), balance inquiry fee (wtf?), Transaction fees, etc. All sorts of ridiculous fees for every little thing you do or don't do. Significantly worse than your average bank. And then we know so little about them...

                                                      I mean Is it really necessary to charge us $1 to check our balance?
                                                      Some of the fees you mention like annual fees, declines fees, transaction fees are real fees not scams by anybody. those fees are charged by VISA/MC and thats why Visa is now valued at several billion dollars. They make money with those to use their networks. we all expect it free but somebody pays for it, in your brick and mortar bank they cover it as they make money with the interest charged on credit or with your investments there.

                                                      The other fees like $1 balance inquiry we never charge anything like that , Paxum has free balance check in real time you can refresh it 100 times a day if you want you will not be charged a penny. I am not sure where you saw $1 fee for balance inquiry.

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                                                        • paxum
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                                                          • Sep 2010
                                                          • 46
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by PornMD
                                                          Think about this then - if that's the case, there's even less people they need to win over - basically just the vocal ones as the silent apprehensive ones will then follow whatever the vocal uses.

                                                          They're not doing anything but spam to win people over though.



                                                          That may be 100% true, but there were also people like me who merely used Epass as a means of collecting payment for something (domains) and withdrew everything right away to bank. We're in the tech age...waiting for checks to clear is too slow for many of us, and wires can involve too many fees.

                                                          The whole point of this is that despite these valid trust issues, none of these places are doing anything even to relieve the lack of trust let alone give a reason to use them over others except for "features"...woo.
                                                          I agree with your statement but please understand that there is nothing you could do to relieve the luck of trust. No matter what people will say there will always be people bashing on any company for no reason and always words are not enough actions are. Why do you trust your neighbor for not stealing your wallet, or your grocery store for not selling your bad products? For example you never went to shake hands with MR. Paypal and probably never went to their office , why do you trust them? Of course I trust them as well it was an example my point is that you have to check who you are dealing with first and make sure the people behind it are not fly by night and are known and have experience in the business. Also companies that pay their taxes and are not incorporated offshore and deal with the bureaucracy are also a point to look for. Paxum is incorporated in Canada and paid taxes for 3 years now and in good standing, we are not hiding behind complex offshore jurisdictions to hide anything. That of course is not a guarantee in any way and I am not trying to convince you to trust us, I am sure it will come with time I have no doubt, what I am trying to say is that if you take that approach you will never trust and work with anybody or not even get out of a bunker because anybody could be trying to screw you in a way or another. But thats life we have to deal with it and do our due diligence there is unfortunately no other way.

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                                                            • signupdamnit
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                                                              • Aug 2007
                                                              • 6697
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by paxum
                                                              Some of the fees you mention like annual fees, declines fees, transaction fees are real fees not scams by anybody. those fees are charged by VISA/MC and thats why Visa is now valued at several billion dollars. They make money with those to use their networks. we all expect it free but somebody pays for it, in your brick and mortar bank they cover it as they make money with the interest charged on credit or with your investments there.

                                                              The other fees like $1 balance inquiry we never charge anything like that , Paxum has free balance check in real time you can refresh it 100 times a day if you want you will not be charged a penny. I am not sure where you saw $1 fee for balance inquiry.
                                                              Understood. I wasn't referring solely to Paxum. I'd think there are lots of possibilities without some of the more questionable fees though. Interest, for instance, as you mention. Or some of the more expected fees. OTOH, I think a lot of people see things like a "declined transaction fee" or a "balance inquiry fee" and get immediately turned off by it. Even though it's effectively just a few dollars a month it makes such a service feel "scammy". Like a restaurant charging you a $1 surcharge as a "dishwashing fee." Again, I'm speaking in general on these types of cards. Not just Paxum. On Paxum itself, I will say that I've seen a lot worse services out there...and it's always nice to see a strong professional board presence. Best of luck.
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                                                                • lagcam
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  REality is that most of the "masses" who relied on epassporte would jump back on it again if it (or specifically the cards already in the market) reappeared anytime soon and probably most major sponsors would also give it another chance given the fact that it instantly removes the setup cost of subsidising or paying for your affiliates' cards.

                                                                  Whilst it is probably not likely to happen, until the final nail is hammered into the coffin of epassporte and St Kitts categorically rule out EVER reactivating the hundreds of thousands of cards already out there in people's hands.......these processors are all jostling for a "maybe" share and need to cover their issuing costs.
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                                                                    • PornMD
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                                                                      • Jan 2007
                                                                      • 9291
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by paxum
                                                                      sorry to post the explanation on two threads but since it was asked twice please bear with me till I find my way around GFY.

                                                                      How casinos could match your deposit is because you will eventually play that money there and will loose it. Statistically the overwhelming majority will play till they loos everything or there are some find print that says you have to play the free money given several times over before withdrawing it making sure you dont see any money. At Paxum we believe we should be transparent and if we do some promotion we will not make 100 fine prints to laugh at users and just bullshit them. If we give it away we have to give as I explained in my post close to $100 per account to pay for the expenses and those $100 will not be made back before years and years. everybody is used to very low fees and trust us that we make pennies on some transactions and on other transactions we eat up the fees to make it bearable for cardholders. We simply cannot make back $100 from fees and giving that away to people that might abuse it and bring all their friends and family mmebers in just to get $20 free is simply not worth unless the fraud is managed in perfect way. And if the fraud is manage too well that always comes with complains and abuses where real people will be denied their fair chance and again we are back to square one. We will consider the idea and I thank you and the rest for the suggestion but thats not a decision that can be taken in one day and not by myself alone.
                                                                      Well like I said, it doesn't have to be money on card - it could be that fees are waived for the first 90 days including the card fees for the first 1,000 members or something like that. Even to say the money on card thing can't be recouped is a little shortsighted given by far the largest payment processor online started that way and now makes an absolute killing.

                                                                      It's not to say you have to do it for all members you get, but the first X members so that you guys get started off on a strong foot. I have to admit that while Payoneer took a bit longer to come here, their first post was much better than Paxum's first posts and included a very good thing to help alleviate trust issues - that their cards are FDIC insured. They're the first to have said that or anything like that so far.

                                                                      I do appreciate you coming here and offering up responses as I'm sure others are. The fact of the matter is that you guys really should be doing EVERYTHING you can to get members in the door, which I think should include some "loss leader" tactics since you're going up against established players. I mean sooner or later, a smart company in your field will take a look at PayPal's beginning and do the same, and you all will be left wondering how you missed the bevy of post-Epassporte opportunity that was there before that company takes all your biz.

                                                                      There's not room for a lot of competition in this area as people only want to use 1 or maybe at most 2 of you, and as I and others have mentioned, many of us are simply waiting to see which 1 or 2 will really step up and take the bull by the horns and prove themselves viable and worthy of our business.
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                                                                        • CPimp
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by PornMD
                                                                          Well like I said, it doesn't have to be money on card - it could be that fees are waived for the first 90 days including the card fees for the first 1,000 members or something like that. Even to say the money on card thing can't be recouped is a little shortsighted given by far the largest payment processor online started that way and now makes an absolute killing.

                                                                          It's not to say you have to do it for all members you get, but the first X members so that you guys get started off on a strong foot. I have to admit that while Payoneer took a bit longer to come here, their first post was much better than Paxum's first posts and included a very good thing to help alleviate trust issues - that their cards are FDIC insured. They're the first to have said that or anything like that so far.

                                                                          I do appreciate you coming here and offering up responses as I'm sure others are. The fact of the matter is that you guys really should be doing EVERYTHING you can to get members in the door, which I think should include some "loss leader" tactics since you're going up against established players. I mean sooner or later, a smart company in your field will take a look at PayPal's beginning and do the same, and you all will be left wondering how you missed the bevy of post-Epassporte opportunity that was there before that company takes all your biz.

                                                                          There's not room for a lot of competition in this area as people only want to use 1 or maybe at most 2 of you, and as I and others have mentioned, many of us are simply waiting to see which 1 or 2 will really step up and take the bull by the horns and prove themselves viable and worthy of our business.
                                                                          This has to be one of the best posts I've read on GFY in over a year that I've been a member here.

                                                                          I am sitting back and waiting just like a majority of the other affiliates/webmasters here, to see what happens next, because my income actually matters to me just like others' incomes matter to them, and I am not going to take a hit like this again because another company wants to do a fucking belly flop on a bed of nails. That's not my way of business.

                                                                          If I am not mistaken, I am one of the first people to mention that in order to win our business, mine personally, these ridiculous fees need waived or cut in half for a few months or something... not all of us swim in $xx,xxx accounts. That's what people fail to realize. I do understand that there are a ridiculous amount of fees that the card companies have, too, but it is definitely going to take a whole lot of skill and intelligence, along with other things that can't be faked such as a business' reputation among many other factors, in order to win our business as members and clients to your payment/funds services.

                                                                          I am very interested to see what happens in the coming month, especially over today and tomorrow and the following week, once St. Kitts makes their official announcement about our cards and money that they promised to us by Sep 30. On that note, I am bookmarking this thread as I do not visit here much, and I would like to see where this thread goes.
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                                                                            • CPimp
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Also, I want to address the comments from the paxum user here, specifically the remark about not shaking hands with the owners of Paypal, etc.

                                                                              There've been a lot of remarks about the business history and dealings that Paxum has, and some of them are indeed fishy to say the least. When you make your remark about people not going and shaking hands with Paypal owners, you're not taking into consideration that Paypal is basically one of the largest, if not the largest, mainstream online funds system. They're backed by the fact that eBay owns them, too. eBay is only the largest online auction site in the world... reputation points are a plus, there. Paypal has several years in the business, and if I may say so myself, almost as widely known as the word 'google'. So yeah, people will go and make an account there without meeting with their owner due to Paypal's ties with MASSIVE websites/companies.

                                                                              I say this with the most respect I can muster: Who is Paxum?
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                                                                                • GetSCORECash
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Great thread!

                                                                                  We are waiting aswell but at the same time the next pay period approaches and a decision as to which new payment system to pick has to be made.
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                                                                                    • NickB.
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                                                                                      it would help if some of them actually answered emails as well hahaha

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                                                                                        • icymelon
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          my feeling is that I hope the business splinters so I can have my money in 3 or more places. so when one goes down I'm only out 1/3.
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                                                                                            • LongBG
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                                                                                              • 1101
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              It's not actually they need us...... It's the other way round.

                                                                                              WE need THEM.

                                                                                              And I know I would not be jumping to signup and use them if they were offering me something extra to do so. Think about it properly. Why would they need to do that?

                                                                                              The good ones have been operating fine without our business.

                                                                                              I have chosen to use CashX. Why?

                                                                                              They answer e-mails / support, have been in business for some time, have insured banks, good load options, have P2P, are not jumping down our throats trying to get our business.

                                                                                              These are the things that people should be looking at. Not what little extra bullshit things they will do for us to "con" us into using their service.

                                                                                              Well my worth is said.
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                                                                                                • darksoul
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                                                  • 4997
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by paxum
                                                                                                  you are 100% sure and I agree with you. Thats why people now more than ever have to do their homework to see for how long the company has been in business and worked on who is behind it and what experience it has in the business,etc . Even that we are new but Paxum has been in the works for more than 3 years now to set everything right and we are not a fly by night operation. I personally used to run several online business as well before Paxum for 12 years now and I pride myself to claim that I never stole any money from anybody and never went hiding anywhere. I am here for the long terms, so are the backers and investors in Paxum. Please understand that a payment processing ewallet business like Paxum involves a lot of work and it is not that easy to set up everything and to do it right. Yes just like in any business you have good guys and bad guys and only past experience tells the difference and now more than every everybody has to be careful who they deal with.
                                                                                                  Thats just words on a board by a no name nick.
                                                                                                  How about some facts. Since you want to get our biz lets hear who you are and what have you been doing in the past 12 years.
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                                                                                                    • bufferover
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                      • 25209
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      If i lived in the states i wouldn't risk using these services. But because i'm in Europe and the checks are real in the the ass i must use some of these service to receive my payments faster.
                                                                                                      Last edited by bufferover; 09-29-2010, 03:46 AM.

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                                                                                                        • DWB
                                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                          • 31779
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          They will say whatever they need to say to get your business. And because so many of you NEED them so much, you'll throw caution to the wind and use them.

                                                                                                          The crazy part is, you will do so without even knowing the true reason of ePass's fall. Maybe ePass was just first on a list of companies who are being shut off from the banks. Maybe not. But you don't know and are willing to lose even more money in the process. You guys either have more money than you know what to do with, or have zero business sense at all. Only you know which one of those you are.

                                                                                                          No disrespect to the companies who are stepping in to fill the void, just calling it as I see it.

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                                                                                                            • Sly
                                                                                                              Let's do some business!
                                                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                                                              • 31376
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by LongBG
                                                                                                              It's not actually they need us...... It's the other way round.

                                                                                                              WE need THEM.

                                                                                                              And I know I would not be jumping to signup and use them if they were offering me something extra to do so. Think about it properly. Why would they need to do that?

                                                                                                              The good ones have been operating fine without our business.

                                                                                                              I have chosen to use CashX. Why?

                                                                                                              They answer e-mails / support, have been in business for some time, have insured banks, good load options, have P2P, are not jumping down our throats trying to get our business.

                                                                                                              These are the things that people should be looking at. Not what little extra bullshit things they will do for us to "con" us into using their service.

                                                                                                              Well my worth is said.
                                                                                                              See this is what I was referring to earlier. Yet another payout program people wish to use. I don't blame affiliates at all for exploring their options and they absolutely should, but man what a mess.

                                                                                                              So far we have:
                                                                                                              Payoneer
                                                                                                              OKPay
                                                                                                              AlertPay
                                                                                                              PayPal
                                                                                                              Paxum
                                                                                                              CashX

                                                                                                              I know I'm missing somebody. Whatever happened to RevUpCard? LOL.
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                                                                                                                • Davy
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                                                                                  • 4323
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Paxum is not going to make it. Payoneer for the win!
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                                                                                                                  ICQ 14-76-98 <-- I don't use this at all

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                                                                                                                    • PornMD
                                                                                                                      Mainstream Businessman
                                                                                                                      • Jan 2007
                                                                                                                      • 9291
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by LongBG
                                                                                                                      It's not actually they need us...... It's the other way round.

                                                                                                                      WE need THEM.

                                                                                                                      And I know I would not be jumping to signup and use them if they were offering me something extra to do so. Think about it properly. Why would they need to do that?

                                                                                                                      The good ones have been operating fine without our business.

                                                                                                                      I have chosen to use CashX. Why?

                                                                                                                      They answer e-mails / support, have been in business for some time, have insured banks, good load options, have P2P, are not jumping down our throats trying to get our business.

                                                                                                                      These are the things that people should be looking at. Not what little extra bullshit things they will do for us to "con" us into using their service.

                                                                                                                      Well my worth is said.
                                                                                                                      I know this may sound silly to you, but instead of person 1 using place A because of GHI reasons, person 2 using place B because of JKL reasons, person 3 using place C because of MNO reasons, person 4 using place D because of PQR reasons...they could all use place E because place E waived their fees for the first 90 days. It's loss leader, marketing 101, and you're right, it wouldn't be necessarily a "legitimate" reason to use one place over the other but let's face it, if one of these places did something like that, whether that reason is legitimate or not, it would be THE reason MANY people here would go with them.

                                                                                                                      Oh and btw, by far the largest payment processor online did this sort of thing to get people in the door, and the rest is history. Now almost no one on the planet DOESN'T know who PayPal is because they got the ball rolling by giving people a financial reason to use them. Nowadays, tons of people hate PayPal, talk shit about them and their fees all day long, BUT can't help but use them since most of the planet uses them for mainstream. That's more or less how Epass was, and now they aren't and one of these 6+ new places could take the bull by the horns and get that coveted spot, but none of them are doing that.

                                                                                                                      Instead, these places don't seem to know any other means of marketing besides spam...that's all I've seen from all of them, unless you call answering people's questions marketing instead of simple customer service/salesmanship.
                                                                                                                      Last edited by PornMD; 09-29-2010, 10:22 AM.
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                                                                                                                        • Agent 488
                                                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                                                          • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                          • 22511
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          they should give all users a complementary po box.

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                                                                                                                            • RuthB
                                                                                                                              Let's Get Paxumized!
                                                                                                                              • May 2005
                                                                                                                              • 7248
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by NickB. - Triplexcash
                                                                                                                              it would help if some of them actually answered emails as well hahaha
                                                                                                                              hey Nick.. please hit me up when you get a chance, I'm not sure if you're getting the answers and messages I've been sending to you on ICQ.. thanks!

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                                                                                                                                • Alprazolam
                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                                  • 864
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  doesnt matter what they do to get YOUR business. Sponsors have to agree to use them.

                                                                                                                                  sadly the days of just randomly opening alternative payout systems and waiting to get fucked are over.

                                                                                                                                  many sponsors are not just jumping on this band wagon.

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                                                                                                                                    • willwank
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2006
                                                                                                                                      • 628
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Davy
                                                                                                                                      Paxum is not going to make it. Payoneer for the win!
                                                                                                                                      Good luck with that the day they fuck up! Porn will yet again be left with no electronic payment options and moron affiliates will bitch on gfy for 30 days and 30 nights because their life savings "are in motion" Circulating money in these systems are and always will be a risk. Selling porn is a risk. Heck, half of you are probably violating domestic laws 24/7 making your biz model one huge risk.

                                                                                                                                      I want Paxum, I want CashX and I want Payoneer even if I will never use payoneer. The rest are more or less useless because of gambling ties, lack of features, crazy fees, etc.
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                                                                                                                                        • signupdamnit
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                          • 6697
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Just a thought here. What's the name of the man (or woman) who owns each of these services? It'd probably be a good idea to know and run some due diligence checks on them prior to relying on their respective services.

                                                                                                                                          You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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