let's talk exits

[quiet]

hypothetically, let's say on a paysite with 150K uniques hitting it's front page each day. how much might a single exit on such a site produce?

[BJ]

30 sales a day to some type of free join program.

and thats based on my measly 3,000 adult exits a day

[Fletch XXX]

pop ups can produce sales, but they aggrivate me as much as anyone else and I havent used one in like 2 years. all the commercials I see for home connections are advertising popup killers... i dont use em.

[FlyingIguana]

i've wondered, are pop ups good for the bottom line? obviously its easy to see an increase in sales when you look at whats generated from the pop ups. on the other hand, how many people aren't coming back to your site because of the pop ups? if you're losing a larger % of sales than the pop ups are generating, then you're just shooting yourself in the foot.

[pr0]

send all your aol users to pop-up chains, they deserve/need/ require endless amounts of punishment

[BJ]

not to make my brain hurt, but a popup with some sort of coupon for someone exiting your order page may be good. Also if you can collect their email before their credit card number you could email them a coupon.

[quiet]

i don't use any popups (obviously). and i keep getting asked why. the answer is there has never been any need to squeeze more money out of my traffic. and basically goes against my business philosophy regardless...

just curious what others think, as i get offers for my exits all the time.

[frankfortuna]

Originally posted by PureMeds
not to make my brain hurt, but a popup with some sort of coupon for someone exiting your order page may be good. Also if you can collect their email before their credit card number you could email them a coupon.

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[BJ]

Originally posted by frankfortuna


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lol

[greentea]

Originally posted by quiet
i don't use any popups (obviously). and i keep getting asked why. the answer is there has never been any need to squeeze more money out of my traffic. and basically goes against my business philosophy regardless...

just curious what others think, as i get offers for my exits all the time.

Thats what i thought and i applaud you for your business model.
With that type of traffic on a tastefull exit i would say anywere from 10-15+ joins a day easily.

[FATPad]

No popups? Are you mad?

Jeez...don't you pay attention? 3 entrance consoles, and 4 chained exit consoles all leading to more chained consoles are mandatory for people running paysites.

By the time someone is done at your site they need 57 browsers opened so they can spend the next 6 hours choosing from the vast assortment of products, services, and memberships they are being offered.

n00b!

[drops]

exits=at lease 50% more cash.. but your 130 signups a day on a full pop membership is good.. I can see why you dont need them.. but I would be interested in purchasing your exit traffic.. we have simular sites..


-jason

[greentea]

Originally posted by drops
exits=at lease 50% more cash.. but your 130 signups a day on a full pop membership is good.. I can see why you dont need them.. but I would be interested in purchasing your exit traffic.. we have simular sites..


-jason

50% no way its more like 20-30 % if that

[quiet]

Originally posted by drops
exits=at lease 50% more cash.. but your 130 signups a day on a full pop membership is good.. I can see why you dont need them.. but I would be interested in purchasing your exit traffic.. we have simular sites..


-jason

well, if i ever decide do - i'll definitely contact you about it. btw, i do quite a bit more than 130 non-trials/day

[psyko514]

Originally posted by quiet
well, if i ever decide do - i'll definitely contact you about it. btw, i do quite a bit more than 130 non-trials/day

god, that is so depressing. my goal right now is to make an average of 180 sign ups a month (6 a day).
and here you are getting that amount (if not more) in a day.

if you give me your site, i'll be your best friend!

[XSV]

Originally posted by quiet
hypothetically, let's say on a paysite with 150K uniques hitting it's front page each day. how much might a single exit on such a site produce?

For your site, easily .004-.006¢ per unique visitor if you are very selective on who you choose and require them to exit to just one window. Without restrictions on the exit setup you could get more.

I'll buy tonight if you are curious to test, was that just one hypothetical unique for sale or all of them?

Just my 2

Put me on the future contact list if it ever happens.

[drops]

btw, i do quite a bit more than 130 non-trials/day

referring to the pissing match you had with RogerV a while back.. I'm guess those spots on Hun are working..

[[The Leader]]

I don't use popups often, but have you every thought about poping a console with a trial offer from your join page? It works very well, and with your content I'm sure the trials would convert to members like mad.

[Shark]

Originally posted by [The Leader]
I don't use popups often, but have you every thought about poping a console with a trial offer from your join page? It works very well, and with your content I'm sure the trials would convert to members like mad.

Im not so sure on this method,, I've seen surfers talking about going though to join pages and if theres no trial on offer, they copy or bookmark the URL and then see what bargain price they can get the site for when they refresh the page or exit it.

[Marcus]

Originally posted by psyko514


god, that is so depressing. my goal right now is to make an average of 180 sign ups a month (6 a day).
and here you are getting that amount (if not more) in a day.

Same here.
But I dont think it's possible for a newer webmaster to get that many signups a day on a consistent basis.
At least I've never seen it

[tony286]

Do you think it would work, where they come to my paysite. They leave and then get a exit window for our site saying your not going to join? Or should it be for another product we avg 30k in uniques a day and its killing me we are just letting the traffic go bye bye

[mpegposter]

Alternate billing options alone can add 50% to your bottom line. If you're interested in custom dialer software to work with your content let me know. That includes custom web900 and SMS billing.

As for consoles it really depends on what kind of deals you do. Cutting a console trade deal with a large company selling similar products could add a lot more than 10% worth of sales, but I find using unique products and programs in a very subtle pop can be extremely productive.

If you're interested in talking more mpegposter (at) email.com.

[quiet]

i wasn't interested in anything, other than a little discussion (thought that was obvious).

[chupacabra]

what do you guys think of paying for pop-up advertisements from other sources? we have never sold exit spots on our websites, nor used pop-up's at all on our servers, but we have paid for pop-up traffic from other providers in the past (i.e. from Sexzity, etc.)... any opinion on the effectiveness of these on a whole?

[BV]

Originally posted by quiet

btw, i do quite a bit more than 130 non-trials/day

in new memberships?

[quiet]

Originally posted by BV


in new memberships?

yes.

[BV]

Originally posted by quiet


yes.

I remember you saying once you had other sites. Have you ever thought about exiting to another one of your own sites (a different looking one) with the same price model? I'm sure you could swing the content and maybe even allow access to both archives so your retention should remain the same. Sounds like a win win nobrainer to me.

I'm not sure what "quite a bit more" than 130 is, but let's say you get 200 signups a day to your main site you should be able to squeeze another 35-50 signups at the very very least.

[Pipecrew]

Originally posted by [The Leader]
I don't use popups often, but have you every thought about poping a console with a trial offer from your join page? It works very well, and with your content I'm sure the trials would convert to members like mad.

dont you just make and submit galleries?

[Snake Doctor]

Quiet, I got these numbers from a really smart son of a bitch when I asked the same question

Exits, 60% (or so depending on how the exit pops) will view the exit out of the people that VIEW it 1:1500-2000 will signup. So if a company pushes 500k views to the exit that is around 250 signups daily

So if you're popping the console 150K times a day, 90K people will actually view it, and you should get 45-60 additional signups from that.

Marc De once said that the average is about 15 sales off the exits for every 100 sales to the site.
Most of the per sign up companies that offer console free tours pay $30 on those joins as opposed to $35 if they get the exits, and that's pretty close to a 15% difference.

Of course both of these scenarios assume your console will "filter" the traffic (i.e. give them ALOT of different options) as opposed to just popping up another paysite in the same niche.

[mpegposter]

Originally posted by quiet
i wasn't interested in anything, other than a little discussion (thought that was obvious).

That was an open offer to others, not my program just some folks I know. But if you wish to be the sole center of this discussion, please continue.

[jimmyf]

what's this ( let's talk exits ) stuff. I thought you would be retarded by now.. or is that retired

[quiet]

Originally posted by mpegposter


That was an open offer to others, not my program just some folks I know. But if you wish to be the sole center of this discussion, please continue.

i assumed it was directed at me. let the disscusion continue.

[quiet]

Originally posted by jimmyf
what's this ( let's talk exits ) stuff. I thought you would be retarded by now.. or is that retired

lol, someone made a thead questioning why i didn't use exits on my sites. that's why i started this thread. like i said, i have no need to squeeze a couple extra bucks out of my traffic and members - they are already extremely profitable

[[The Leader]]

Originally posted by Pipecrew



dont you just make and submit galleries?

lol, no, don't you just run a fucking movie post and a fake affiliate program? I don't submit galleries myself at all junior, that's kid stuff. You need a part time job?

[strainer]

I'm just running a smaller site and just starting out, and I feel lucky on days that I get 5,000 visitors. But it wouldn't have ever occurred to me to use an exit pop of any kind. It would be exactly equivalent to saying "go fuck yourself on the way out the door" in my opinion.

I'm sure they can be profitable, but I think my focus right now is rightly on creating and marketing the best exclusive content, not to squeeze the last dollar out of ever surfer.

If I ever to get around to using exits it will be something like (using a cookie) if the surfer routinely visits my site and downloads every free clip, but has never purchased anything for 1 year, ok, then maybe I'll sell the exit to somebody.

As a relative newbie I don't understand the fascination with squeezing the proverbial turnip. If department stores were like porn sites that would be a bouncer at every exit to shake you down before you left the building...

[mpegposter]

Let's talk pissing match!

I weighed in on exits, but they are like anything else; if you study the success of others and do it well, you will always succeed. If it doesn't fit your business model, don't bother. Noone can tell you:

'Your site will get exactly 15.4 extra signups per day with consoles.'

Because there are too many factors to weigh.

Exits are used by most because their margins are small. You say your margins don't require it, so you have the luxury of a choice. Choose whatever you feel fits your business plan. If it weren't successful for others EVERYONE wouldn't be doing it.

Case closed.

[jimmyf]

Well I never used exit's pop ups, and took all pop unders off my free sites. My sign up have gone 2 hell, will be putting pop unders back on. Don't think I'll use any exit's, did think about it today, but told self nope.

Oh quite, you don't really have 2 worry about pop ups, pop unders or exit's. What you should do, give 1st members a 50% discount, and post your sign-up URL.

[quiet]

Originally posted by mpegposter
Let's talk pissing match!

I weighed in on exits, but they are like anything else; if you study the success of others and do it well, you will always succeed. If it doesn't fit your business model, don't bother. Noone can tell you:

'Your site will get exactly 15.4 extra signups per day with consoles.'

Because there are too many factors to weigh.

Exits are used by most because their margins are small. You say your margins don't require it, so you have the luxury of a choice. Choose whatever you feel fits your business plan. If it weren't successful for others EVERYONE wouldn't be doing it.

Case closed.

jesus, calm down. or is this directed towards everyone too lol?

yes, i don't *need* popups, infact i don't like them. i was simply curious what others thought (as i am asked daily, why i don't use them).

[mpegposter]

The pissing match was aimed at everyone else going nuts about you/your sites. Like I said, if you have the luxury more power to ya.

Discussing what exits DO to surfers/sites is one thing, I just hate the non-scientific speculation of 'oh yeah you'd get X signups from them at LEAST!' while they ask you how many sales you get.

Irrelevant. Weigh in on what you think about exits people!

(now that I reread the first post I guess I did get off track! I just think the discussion could yield a lot more interesting input than random numbers)

[quiet]

it is pretty pathetic that margins are so tight that many must resort to exits to maintain a profit...

i wonder why that might be lol

[Fro]

Might as well use them while they can still be used...

If Earthlink and AOL's trend become an expected, out-of-the-box feature for browsers, consoles (as we know them) will be a thing of the past.

Maybe it's time to look at other technology options for interstitials...?

[Nysus]

quiet - Start your own free pass site, and collect emails... and then spam their emails.. j/k...

Cheers,
Matt

[McAttack]

Originally posted by strainer
As a relative newbie I don't understand the fascination with squeezing the proverbial turnip. If department stores were like porn sites that would be a bouncer at every exit to shake you down before you left the building...

Well if you actually take your analogy, then think about this. When you go to the store, why is there a rack at the cash with candy bars, magazines, batteries, pens and all that junk? Because they might make that extra sale. Why is it that when you go to Walmart, there's stuff that you can buy when you're PAST the checkout line? Because they can make that sale.

I personally hate the pop-up hell. I don't mind a console in or a console out. But do not like a chain of popups/unders. I hate that, and it leaves me with a negative feeling of a site.

Would I use a console? Yes I would. I currently use a console on entry to run a quick poll. We did this because we did an overhaul of the site and wanted input from our fans. Now, we'll change it to an exit console once we've designed a proper one. No chain of pop-ups. Right now, we need to get the extra $$ because we still need more $.

As for Quiet, excellent. If you don't need the extra cash, and you don't do it cause you don't like them, excellent! That's the best thing. People leave your site, it's clean. It's not like some guy closed it quickly, and all of a sudden 5 windows poped up.

I hope that my income goes up there in your category and I can do the same soon! hehehe

[WendyB]

I am Anti-Popups...period

[Pornwolf]

Pop ups are worse than spam. Much worse.

[FATPad]

That's not true at all.

Misuse of popups is bad. A single popup that's not chained is nothing.

Just liked dialers, popups were abused to the point that people now think the popup itself is bad, while it's just the dicks who can't stop themselves from chaining 25 of them together who are to blame.

[m0rph3us]

Quiet,

The reason you see 3-4 popup chains at the major programs is simple. They make money. If they didn't they wouldn't be there. The reason they make money is because newbie affilates send shitloads upon shitload of untargeted traffic converting 1:35000.
The paysite make probably 15-25% of their income from those popups.

In your case however, the traffic is very well filtered. Reasons they might not join are a. no pay option b. they simply refuse to pay for porn. c. under 18 no CC. d. god knows.

IMO popups probably won't do too hot on your site unless it's like a special offer to join.

[quiet]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by m0rph3us
[B]Quiet,

The reason you see 3-4 popup chains at the major programs is simple. They make money. If they didn't they wouldn't be there. The reason they make money is because newbie affilates send shitloads upon shitload of untargeted traffic converting 1:35000./QUOTE]

again, i was never asking why i see popups on other sites. anyway bro

[chupacabra]

on a side note, can any point out good providers of paid pop-up traffic for paysites? i know only of sexzity, and what i would *really* like is an opportunity to buy traffic in lots from certain locales (general UK, german, japanese, etc.)... any links would be great, thx all..!

[jojojo]

I agree, with targetted traffic a pop-up to a cheap trial join would be great.

You could also have a tasteful pop-up to some choices of different paysites covering different niches and use 3rd part programs.

With that much traffic you definitely have a % of people who are looking for something else.

Post a 'need sponsors for my exit console' thread and you'll get a thousand replies with ref codes

Come to think of it - it would be VERY interesting to see how a teen 4free sponsor would do. If they are THAT targetted and don't have a cc it could do well.

If I were you I would do both - an exit console to choices of outher sponsors and exit that to a teen/movie 4free site.

You might as well - you are the only one who sends that tour traffic it's not like you are going to piss off afiliates - and for surfers? fuck em - if they didn't buy - then they are USELESS to you. Your members never see these popups so who why not?

To me it sounds like leaving money on the table - quite a bit (or should I say 'quiet a bit')

LOL