OKPay is a better choice than payoneer. - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Agent 488 · 09-17-2010, 12:46 AM

kill yourself.

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Originally Posted by facialfreak

QFFT!!

I took several days to compare all the epass alternatives and what they offered ... and even made pretty spreadsheets (yes it helps me to keep score ..), and AlertPay came out WAY ON TOP!!

Interestingly enough, OK Pay did not score to well for me ... as they sound a lot like a pyramid scheme ...

I have been accepting AlertPay for 10 days now, and I am very happy ..

If it were not for PayPal being so widely used, I would drop them and use AlertPay exclusively ...

AlertPay are based in Montreal, Canada ... anybody who moves great quantities of money will know that Canada's banking regulatory body, is one of the toughest in the world ... AlertPay meets these high standards, where I doubt many of the other options would. I like this much better than dealing with a small gambler-funded bank in the Caribbean or Cyprus ... There is very good reason why most of these outfits operate out of small countries, and not USA or CANADA ... easier to bend the laws ...

AlertPay was the fastest growing payment gateway in the world in 2009 according to Yahoo Finance.

Agent 488 · 09-17-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat

and how can this work if no sponsors are supporting it?

words of wisdom.

cookie stuffers and nigerians love it though so who knows.

facialfreak · 09-17-2010, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

kill yourself.

What payment gateway do you work for?

Agent 488 · 09-17-2010, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by facialfreak

What payment gateway do you work for?

none. but the trash scammers and spammers are out in full force. fuck off.

facialfreak · 09-17-2010, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

none. but the trash scammers and spammers are out in full force. fuck off.

Do a bit of homework yourself man ... Alert pay is not a scam at all ...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Canadi...45184.html?x=0

I move enough money per month online to do my homework, and I would not sign up for a scam!

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

http://money.yandex.ru/

OK ... Have a nice day!

Agent 488 · 09-17-2010, 01:01 AM

that link was a joke retard, referencing all the scam and shit
bag money transfer systems people are spamming.

grab a brain morans.

facialfreak · 09-17-2010, 01:10 AM

OK wiseguy ...

You dismiss AlertPay as a scam ... Post your proof or STFU

I am trying to prevent people in the same boat as me (suddenly finding themselves in need of a viable epass replacement), from making a big mistake and signing up with a service that looks like an elaborate pyramid scheme (OKPAY), or one that is a royal pain in the ass to work with ....

I accept payments via Payoneer for several mainstream sponsors, and I can tell you first hand that Payoneer is not the most user friendly payment system to work with ... and while it may suffice for some indiscriminants for receiving affiliate payments, it does not really make the grade for p2p transfers ..

I'll give you the floor ... show me (show us), what you base your "Alertpay is a scam" opinions on ...

cheers!

Agent 488 · 09-17-2010, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by facialfreak

a service that looks like an elaborate pyramid scheme (OKPAY)

cheers!

proof or ban.

facialfreak · 09-17-2010, 01:31 AM

So your reply, is to turn the question on me? LMFAO

Look at their affiliate recruiting remunerations for your answer ....

OKPAY is willing to pay you up to €500 per referral, as 'second level' earnings ... I'm sorry but that sounds very shady and like a system that is more interested in recruitment, than the security of our funds ... and will probably eventually implode on itself ...

YOUR TURN MON ESTI ... please show us what is scammy or shady about AlertPay??

papill0n · 09-17-2010, 01:31 AM

not sounding too ok

Agent 488 · 09-17-2010, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by facialfreak

So your reply, is to turn the question on me? LMFAO

Look at their affiliate recruiting remunerations for your answer ....

A payment gateway/psp payment processor that is willing to pay you up to ?500 per referral, as 'second level' earnings ... I'm sorry but that sounds very shady and like a system that is more interested in recruitment than the security of our funds ... and will probably eventually implode on itself ...

YOUR TURN MON ESTI ... please show us what is scammy or shady about AlertPay??

remove your sig or ban.

facialfreak · 09-17-2010, 01:41 AM

GO FUCK YOURSELF or BAN MON ESTI DE SACREMENT DE CÂLISSE DE TABARNAK!!

I can promote whoever I like, and if my making $5 per referral to a payment gateway that I think is a much better option than OK-FUCKING-PAY bothers you that much ... then don't fucking click it 'sti ... it's that simple!

I am not going to cry ...

now stop trolling me!!

Agent 488 · 09-17-2010, 01:44 AM

your lack of disclosure invalidates your ref code.

as per gfy rule 65. ban.

icymelon · 09-17-2010, 02:29 AM

alertpay and okpay. now I'm confused

Ethersync · 09-17-2010, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

that link was a joke retard, referencing all the scam and shit
bag money transfer systems people are spamming.

grab a brain morans.

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

none. but the trash scammers and spammers are out in full force. fuck off.

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

words of wisdom.

cookie stuffers and nigerians love it though so who knows.

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

nigerian/russian trash that ref code spammers and cookie stuffers are promoting fuck off.

no program will trust their money with that garbage so whatever.

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scam. stay away.

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

alertpay is just as bad.

Seems to me you are violation of Rule #9. How about some proof to back up your claims?

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9. False accusations against a person or company. We all want to know what companies and individuals have done you wrong. Just make sure you back any claims you make up with solid proof. If you plan on calling someone a scammer, liar, cheat, or anything else, have your proof in order and post it with your claim. False accusations will be grounds for immediate banning.

It is funny that you have defended Payoneer many times on here, but any time anyone suggests an alternative you say it is a scam. I have not found one single complaint about OKPAY anywhere online and I have looked. I just sent over $20k to my account and got over 30 people setup with cards on the way (people I pay). I am not going to do this if I do not feel comfortable with them.

So, back up your claims o' mighty keyboard warrior...

lagcam · 09-17-2010, 05:00 AM

What you don't seem to understand Ethersync is that even if okpay is actually OK, many people will swerve it because of your constant spamming, and the funny thing is that if they are as professional a business as you say, then when they see you are sending people to their site via your "okpays.com" they probably will void any commissions you have made/will make for breaching their TOS.....regardless of the fact that they don't appear to publish a TOS for their referral scheme......... for some reason.

Ethersync · 09-17-2010, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lagcam

What you don't seem to understand Ethersync is that even if okpay is actually OK, many people will swerve it because of your constant spamming, and the funny thing is that if they are as professional a business as you say, then when they see you are sending people to their site via your "okpays.com" they probably will void any commissions you have made/will make for breaching their TOS.....regardless of the fact that they don't appear to publish a TOS for their referral scheme......... for some reason.

I have not started one single thread about OKPAY. I answer questions and reply to what others write be it positive or baseless smears. Hardly what I would call spamming. I have made exactly $0 from referrals I have made (so far). Money is only made if people you refer actually use the service. Most of my referrals are from people that do work for me because this is how I intend to pay them. The only reason I post about them is because I would like to see programs offer them as a payment option. Everyone that I have referred to them really likes their system so far. I really don't get why this is so offensive to you.

Si · 09-17-2010, 07:14 AM

LMAO!

The people saying they prefer alert pay are in here spamming refcodes aswell.

Note my post has ZERO reflinks. This system will work for everyone if it gets taken on by sponsors. Payoneer charge $7-$8 for a p2p transfer? thats fucking terrible.

I admit alert pay also looks good, I signed up to them a while ago them.

So in my eyes you have 3 choices.

Payoneer - shit support, no reasonable P2P transfers but an atm card that isn't a visa one (which I think is a bonus)

AlertPay - Good Support, P2P transfers are easy and low fees. But no atm card to use (unless of course they decide to start doing one)

OKPay - Good Support, P2P Transfers, Backed by strong reserve fund, low fees, ATM Card, no limits if you are verified, multiple currencies and currency transfers.

Which one sound best to you?

Si · 09-17-2010, 07:22 AM

To the person who was saying about interest rates.

It isn't a credit card where YOU PAY interest, it is like a bank. You get Paid interest.

Interest Added to balance: 3% per year

So not only does it have all the other features mentioned above you can also earn interest on your balance every year.

Agent 488 · 09-17-2010, 07:23 AM

no program will trust their money with that russian shit so who the fuck cares?

Si · 09-17-2010, 07:24 AM

here is a full run down of fees for both the account and debit card for those interested.

https://www.okpay.com/en/services/fees.html

https://www.okpay.com/en/services/debit-card/fees.html

If you look into a bit more, it's very reasonable.

Si · 09-17-2010, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

no program will trust their money with that russian shit so who the fuck cares?

It's not russian, this isn't that fethard shit i've seen some people mentioning round here.

michael.kickass · 09-17-2010, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Si

Payoneer - shit support, no reasonable P2P transfers but an atm card that isn't a visa one (which I think is a bonus)

AlertPay - Good Support, P2P transfers are easy and low fees. But no atm card to use (unless of course they decide to start doing one)

OKPay - Good Support, P2P Transfers, Backed by strong reserve fund, low fees, ATM Card, no limits if you are verified, multiple currencies and currency transfers.

Which one sound best to you?

OKPay is the best option!!!

ajrocks · 09-17-2010, 09:12 AM

Programs can't commit to a payment system until there is a clear measure of what affiliates want. Most of what I'm hearing from affiliates is they want Payoneer but as long as their is doubt its going to be very hard to get programs to commit to a solution.

freewebhookup · 09-17-2010, 09:16 AM

why do I have to pay okpay to verify my cell phone so I can get a debit card?

Ethersync · 09-17-2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by freewebhookup

why do I have to pay okpay to verify my cell phone so I can get a debit card?

That's optional.

Si · 09-17-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

That's optional.

freewebhookup · 09-17-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

That's optional.

not for me, will not let me order the debit card until I do. I have done the 3 other things

Si · 09-17-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by freewebhookup

not for me, will not let me order the debit card until I do. I have done the 3 other things

Have you're other documents been approved by the admins?

If not that could be why.

Ethersync · 09-17-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ajrocks

Programs can't commit to a payment system until there is a clear measure of what affiliates want. Most of what I'm hearing from affiliates is they want Payoneer but as long as their is doubt its going to be very hard to get programs to commit to a solution.

That's true, but most people do not think there are any other viable options other than Payoneer right now.

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Originally Posted by facialfreak

OKPAY is willing to pay you up to ?500 per referral, as 'second level' earnings ... I'm sorry but that sounds very shady and like a system that is more interested in recruitment, than the security of our funds ... and will probably eventually implode on itself ...

The referral system is nothing like a pyramid scheme. It's easy. If you signup with my link I get 20% of what you pay in transactions fees and I get 10% of the transactions fees for anyone you get to signup. You get 20% of the fees for anyone you send and 10% for who they send. Up to 500 Euros per person or 12 months of fees. Whichever comes first.

A few more cool things:

There is an optional SMS security function that you can turn on. It will send you security codes by Email or SMS that must be used (if you enable this feature) before you can make any account changes, login, send money, etc. Similar to how many non-US banks handle online banking access and payments.
You can also block access to your account from any countries you want (e.g. Russia, China or wherever you do not live) or block specific IP addresses.
There is also a fully functional SOAP API and an IPN like what PayPal offers merchants.
Did I mention they support multiple currencies? European programs can pay in Euros, US programs in Dollars, UK programs in GBP, etc. You can store money in any currency you want and exchange your money whenever you want.
I am also told that OKPAY is working on Android and iPhone apps for users.

Si · 09-17-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync

That's true, but most people do not think there are any other viable options other than Payoneer right now.

The referral system is nothing like a pyramid scheme. It's easy. If you signup with my link I get 20% of what you pay in transactions fees and I get 10% of the transactions fees for anyone you get to signup. You get 20% of the fees for anyone you send and 10% for who they send. Up to 500 Euros per person or 12 months of fees. Whichever comes first.

A few more cool things:

There is an optional SMS security function that you can turn on. It will send you security codes by Email or SMS that must be used (if you enable this feature) before you can make any account changes, login, send money, etc. Similar to how many non-US banks handle online banking access and payments.
You can also block access to your account from any countries you want (e.g. Russia, China or wherever you do not live) or block specific IP addresses.
There is also a fully functional SOAP API and an IPN like what PayPal offers merchants.
Did I mention they support multiple currencies? European programs can pay in Euros, US programs in Dollars, UK programs in GBP, etc. You can store money in any currency you want and exchange your money whenever you want.
I am also told that OKPAY is working on Android and iPhone apps for users.

Yeah thats right, I think the only reason people are choosing payoneer is they didn't know about OKPay, I was ready to switch to payoneer until I found out about it (OKPay)

The Multiple currencies could be huge for program owners! Like you say above programs from wherever can whatever currency they want to the affiliates and have that go into seperate wallets etc.

Even if you pay in USD and an affiliate wants euros they can easily switch it and convert it themselves in real time with the exchange rates. No guessing how much you can withdraw at the ATM.

There also seems to be a lot of people using this just for currency trading which I believe is an added bonus.

The company seems robust, the structure looks good and they are extremely helpful.

They even have a list of approved merchants for transfers. and if that isn't good enough they also use ESCROW which will cut out a HUGE PROBLEM epass had with fuckers asking for transfers and withdrawing the money instantly and them funds being stolen.

If you don't trust someone on OKPay, USE ESCROW and you will be safe.

ThumbLord · 09-17-2010, 05:39 PM

Alertpay looks the most solid if you compare but heh Agent 488 thinks they are a scam so ........ they are out as well, as in not endorsed by Agent 488

Si · 09-17-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ThumbLord

Alertpay looks the most solid if you compare but heh Agent 488 thinks they are a scam so ........ they are out as well, as in not endorsed by Agent 488

True, but they lacking a lot of useful features. I ain't saying Alert Pay is bad. Just OKPay is the better alternative to ePass than both Alert Pay and Payoneer.

this is like payoneer + paypal + alertpay all in one

09-17-2010, 01:10 AM	#57
facialfreak Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 3,018	OK wiseguy ... You dismiss AlertPay as a scam ... Post your proof or STFU I am trying to prevent people in the same boat as me (suddenly finding themselves in need of a viable epass replacement), from making a big mistake and signing up with a service that looks like an elaborate pyramid scheme (OKPAY), or one that is a royal pain in the ass to work with .... I accept payments via Payoneer for several mainstream sponsors, and I can tell you first hand that Payoneer is not the most user friendly payment system to work with ... and while it may suffice for some indiscriminants for receiving affiliate payments, it does not really make the grade for p2p transfers .. I'll give you the floor ... show me (show us), what you base your "Alertpay is a scam" opinions on ... cheers! __________________ Managed Shared Hosting starting at $4.99/mo Managed VPS starting at $29.99/mo Last edited by facialfreak; 09-17-2010 at 01:11 AM..

09-17-2010, 01:31 AM	#59
facialfreak Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 3,018	So your reply, is to turn the question on me? LMFAO Look at their affiliate recruiting remunerations for your answer .... OKPAY is willing to pay you up to €500 per referral, as 'second level' earnings ... I'm sorry but that sounds very shady and like a system that is more interested in recruitment, than the security of our funds ... and will probably eventually implode on itself ... YOUR TURN MON ESTI ... please show us what is scammy or shady about AlertPay?? __________________ Managed Shared Hosting starting at $4.99/mo Managed VPS starting at $29.99/mo Last edited by facialfreak; 09-17-2010 at 01:35 AM..

09-17-2010, 01:41 AM	#62
facialfreak Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 3,018	GO FUCK YOURSELF or BAN MON ESTI DE SACREMENT DE CÂLISSE DE TABARNAK!! I can promote whoever I like, and if my making $5 per referral to a payment gateway that I think is a much better option than OK-FUCKING-PAY bothers you that much ... then don't fucking click it 'sti ... it's that simple! I am not going to cry ... now stop trolling me!! __________________ Managed Shared Hosting starting at $4.99/mo Managed VPS starting at $29.99/mo Last edited by facialfreak; 09-17-2010 at 01:43 AM..

09-17-2010, 02:29 AM	#64
icymelon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,220	alertpay and okpay. now I'm confused __________________ Network Of Adult Blogs With Hardlink Rentals Available

09-17-2010, 05:00 AM	#66
lagcam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,892	What you don't seem to understand Ethersync is that even if okpay is actually OK, many people will swerve it because of your constant spamming, and the funny thing is that if they are as professional a business as you say, then when they see you are sending people to their site via your "okpays.com" they probably will void any commissions you have made/will make for breaching their TOS.....regardless of the fact that they don't appear to publish a TOS for their referral scheme......... for some reason. __________________ Working Cam site for sale - NOT affiliate.

09-17-2010, 01:01 AM	#56
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	that link was a joke retard, referencing all the scam and shit bag money transfer systems people are spamming. grab a brain morans.

09-17-2010, 01:31 AM	#60
papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	not sounding too ok

09-17-2010, 01:44 AM	#63
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	your lack of disclosure invalidates your ref code. as per gfy rule 65. ban.

09-17-2010, 07:14 AM	#68
Si Such Fun! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,900	LMAO! The people saying they prefer alert pay are in here spamming refcodes aswell. Note my post has ZERO reflinks. This system will work for everyone if it gets taken on by sponsors. Payoneer charge $7-$8 for a p2p transfer? thats fucking terrible. I admit alert pay also looks good, I signed up to them a while ago them. So in my eyes you have 3 choices. Payoneer - shit support, no reasonable P2P transfers but an atm card that isn't a visa one (which I think is a bonus) AlertPay - Good Support, P2P transfers are easy and low fees. But no atm card to use (unless of course they decide to start doing one) OKPay - Good Support, P2P Transfers, Backed by strong reserve fund, low fees, ATM Card, no limits if you are verified, multiple currencies and currency transfers. Which one sound best to you?

09-17-2010, 07:22 AM	#69
Si Such Fun! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,900	To the person who was saying about interest rates. It isn't a credit card where YOU PAY interest, it is like a bank. You get Paid interest. Interest Added to balance: 3% per year So not only does it have all the other features mentioned above you can also earn interest on your balance every year.

09-17-2010, 07:23 AM	#70
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	no program will trust their money with that russian shit so who the fuck cares?

09-17-2010, 07:24 AM	#71
Si Such Fun! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,900	here is a full run down of fees for both the account and debit card for those interested. https://www.okpay.com/en/services/fees.html https://www.okpay.com/en/services/debit-card/fees.html If you look into a bit more, it's very reasonable.

09-17-2010, 09:12 AM	#74
ajrocks Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: On Uranus Posts: 4,526	Programs can't commit to a payment system until there is a clear measure of what affiliates want. Most of what I'm hearing from affiliates is they want Payoneer but as long as their is doubt its going to be very hard to get programs to commit to a solution. __________________ SEO Strategy - Digital Strategy - Cannabis Lead Generation Skype aj.durden1

09-17-2010, 09:16 AM	#75
freewebhookup Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 276	why do I have to pay okpay to verify my cell phone so I can get a debit card? __________________ I make bank w/ Swurve

09-17-2010, 05:39 PM	#82
ThumbLord Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Aruba Posts: 1,932	Alertpay looks the most solid if you compare but heh Agent 488 thinks they are a scam so ........ they are out as well, as in not endorsed by Agent 488 __________________ We Sell Domains \| ThumbLords \| ICQ 128106905 \| TubeLords \| Traffic Holder \| eRoken