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  • Gerco
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2005
    • 2052
    #51
    Originally posted by stocktrader23
    Honest answer, I'm way too lazy to deal with all of the laws covering porn so I never put my own sites online. That's not the point though.

    Wow! You are a real piece of shit. You make a thread knocking the efforts of one of the greats when you yourself are nothing. Here is a big fuck you. Your nothing but a surfer. No wonder you have a green name, you do nothing but flap you mouth like a whore.

    Let me emphasize the big FUCK YOU!

    I really wish people like you would just pull your heads out of your assholes and wipe the residue shit from your eyes and see what's really going on. But, my guess is you like being nothing more than that shit hence your reason for a thread like this to begin with.

    Again... Fuck you asshole.
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      • Gerco
        Confirmed User
        • Nov 2005
        • 2052
        #52
        Originally posted by Nathan
        Right, so instead he sues random surfers since he can not make any money otherwise... how is that better? I'm confused...

        Also, none of the above is needed. There are plenty of paysites out there that are growing... the paysite game obviously still works...

        Blaming others for your mistakes is just an easy way out... that excuse never worked in the past and it never will in the future.
        Nathan, I gave a thought for a moment about actually joining your program and sending you video, but if your seriously defending the people stealing others works and trying to bitch-slap the people who are trying to make an effort to stop the madness (or at least make a few people think twice about uploading and stealing in the first place) then I really want nothing to do with you.

        Kind of makes me think that the truth is coming out here and your upset the these cases might actually help in setting a precedence?
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          • DWB
            Registered User
            • Jul 2003
            • 31779
            #53
            Originally posted by Gerco
            Kind of makes me think that the truth is coming out here and your upset the these cases might actually help in setting a precedence?
            Why else would he be posting so much in all of these anit-piracy threads?

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              • BossDVDs
                Confirmed User
                • Feb 2004
                • 835
                #54
                anyone else feel like the OP is a wanker? lol

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                  • Gerco
                    Confirmed User
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 2052
                    #55
                    Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                    I could be wrong, but when someone gets a notice because they stole "Hurt Locker" it's a little different than if they get a notice for stealing "Black-Tgirls.com." How you gonna explain that one to your wife?

                    You can bet your ass if they have a family, they are going to pay up.
                    QFT...

                    I've been saying this was the way to go for years. I never had the cash to pursue it so I'm glad someone who does getting the ball rolling. Once he starts winning, it will make the road a LOT easier for us little guys. Once lawyers realize that they can make money off this they will start coming out of the wood work "Porn copyright chasers" I would gladly give them 50-60 even 70% of any winnings just to fight this.
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                      • candyflip
                        Carpe Visio
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 43069
                        #56
                        Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                        Yea, I know... we're all idiots, none of us understand the law, it won't work, we do not understand the concept... yadda, yadda... you say the same thing in every thread, we get it. We're all just dummies. Thanks.

                        The truth is, your very livelihood is on the line. Without people who steal these movies, they can not upload them to your tubes. I don't need to tell the rest of that story, you know how it goes.

                        Why else would you be posting over, and over, and over again in Steve's threads if you know it to be a waste a time? I know that if I was worth millions of dollars and owned the largest content library in the universe (did I quote that right?), I wouldn't be wasting my time posting on GFY of all places or giving my 2 cents to people who I thought were idiots who didn't understand anything. But you know what may be coming, that's why you can't stop posting about it.

                        The bottom line is this, we don't know the outcome of any of this, but all of your postings show your nervous about it. You are following Steve around from thread to thread like a lap dog. Hardly the actions of a man who is so wealthy and with such a large business.
                        He was a programmer just a few year back. He's not the moneyman in this game. He's just the mouthpiece...which would be why he's here in every thread doing what you pointed out.

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                          • Nathan
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 3108
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Gerco
                            Nathan, I gave a thought for a moment about actually joining your program and sending you video, but if your seriously defending the people stealing others works and trying to bitch-slap the people who are trying to make an effort to stop the madness (or at least make a few people think twice about uploading and stealing in the first place) then I really want nothing to do with you.

                            Kind of makes me think that the truth is coming out here and your upset the these cases might actually help in setting a precedence?
                            Gerco, not sure which part of what I am saying you do not understand.

                            I have absolutely nothing against suing people that are stealing and uploading the videos to sites they have no rights for. None of this has anything to do with suing surfers though that download torrents. (I am not even talking about tube surfers since you can simply NOT SUE THEM... accept that finally, if you could, viacom would have sued all of the US already because everyone on this planet goes to youtube)

                            There is no precedence here and it has nothing to do with any truth...

                            I put in an effort to stop the madness going on with our own content too... it just is not that simple and just suing people left and right will NOT FIX THE PROBLEM...

                            At some point in the near future, most of you will hopefully understand that... for everyone else, there is no saving you... sadly.

                            RIAA and MPAA has been suing surfers LEFT AND RIGHT the past years.. Do you see _ANY_ change in the amount of torrents out there? NO! Of course you do not, since those people sadly do not care, we have to fix this problem in another way...
                            "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                            - Charlie Munger

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                              • candyflip
                                Carpe Visio
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 43069
                                #58
                                Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                I could be wrong, but when someone gets a notice because they stole "Hurt Locker" it's a little different than if they get a notice for stealing "Black-Tgirls.com." How you gonna explain that one to your wife?

                                You can bet your ass if they have a family, they are going to pay up.
                                I wouldn't give two shits if someone told my wife. If someone from this IP was surfing trannies, it was her.

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                                  • Nathan
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2003
                                    • 3108
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by candyflip
                                    He was a programmer just a few year back. He's not the moneyman in this game. He's just the mouthpiece...which would be why he's here in every thread doing what you pointed out.
                                    Sucks being jealous huh?
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                                      • Gerco
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Nov 2005
                                        • 2052
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Nathan
                                        Gerco, not sure which part of what I am saying you do not understand.

                                        I have absolutely nothing against suing people that are stealing and uploading the videos to sites they have no rights for. None of this has anything to do with suing surfers though that download torrents. (I am not even talking about tube surfers since you can simply NOT SUE THEM... accept that finally, if you could, viacom would have sued all of the US already because everyone on this planet goes to youtube)

                                        There is no precedence here and it has nothing to do with any truth...

                                        I put in an effort to stop the madness going on with our own content too... it just is not that simple and just suing people left and right will NOT FIX THE PROBLEM...

                                        At some point in the near future, most of you will hopefully understand that... for everyone else, there is no saving you... sadly.

                                        RIAA and MPAA has been suing surfers LEFT AND RIGHT the past years.. Do you see _ANY_ change in the amount of torrents out there? NO! Of course you do not, since those people sadly do not care, we have to fix this problem in another way...
                                        Point, torrent users, while download said stolen work, are in turn sharing it to others. Making them the infringer.

                                        As to tubes, you sue the UPLOADER for damages. (which you could base on the number of views said tube site is reporting) I'm sure that one could get the uploaders information by going though legal channels. I'm also sure that you yourself have record of who uploaded what. (what IP's it came from etc.) You even have verified email etc. Since I believe this to be the case and your saying that you are NOT backing these illegal uploads, then I assume that you would be willing to give such information over freely to those of us that can PROVE ownership of said content being infringed upon?

                                        You have no reason to deny that information correct? I mean, what would be the point of protecting a thief basically fencing stolen good? I know you will try and come back with it a privacy issue with the uploaders... Really? What are they going to come and sue you if you gave that information out? Do you give that information out for any other reasons like marketing etc?

                                        If your not protecting this thieves then make a stand publicly and help us that are being torn down by their actions.
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                                          • Nathan
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jul 2003
                                            • 3108
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Gerco
                                            Point, torrent users, while download said stolen work, are in turn sharing it to others. Making them the infringer.

                                            As to tubes, you sue the UPLOADER for damages. (which you could base on the number of views said tube site is reporting) I'm sure that one could get the uploaders information by going though legal channels. I'm also sure that you yourself have record of who uploaded what. (what IP's it came from etc.) You even have verified email etc. Since I believe this to be the case and your saying that you are NOT backing these illegal uploads, then I assume that you would be willing to give such information over freely to those of us that can PROVE ownership of said content being infringed upon?

                                            You have no reason to deny that information correct? I mean, what would be the point of protecting a thief basically fencing stolen good? I know you will try and come back with it a privacy issue with the uploaders... Really? What are they going to come and sue you if you gave that information out? Do you give that information out for any other reasons like marketing etc?

                                            If your not protecting this thieves then make a stand publicly and help us that are being torn down by their actions.
                                            Gerco,

                                            I already said this on this forum before, to steve. As long as I can legally give you the info (as you said, privacy laws) which means you will have to subpoena it or I would break a law... And yes, OBVIOUSLY they will sue me? You just sued them and the only reason you could is because I gave out their info without a court order.. Why do you think Steve has to subpoena hosts to get info on the IPs of infringers?!?!

                                            And no, we do not sell our member database...

                                            So, just as I follow DMCA law, I follow privacy laws and I follow other laws which have to do with tubes...

                                            And we are one of the few people that follow DMCA to the t, except that we do not use stupid excuses like malformed DMCA notices...
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                                              • Gerco
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Nov 2005
                                                • 2052
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Nathan
                                                Gerco,

                                                I already said this on this forum before, to steve. As long as I can legally give you the info (as you said, privacy laws) which means you will have to subpoena it or I would break a law... And yes, OBVIOUSLY they will sue me? You just sued them and the only reason you could is because I gave out their info without a court order.. Why do you think Steve has to subpoena hosts to get info on the IPs of infringers?!?!

                                                And no, we do not sell our member database...

                                                So, just as I follow DMCA law, I follow privacy laws and I follow other laws which have to do with tubes...

                                                And we are one of the few people that follow DMCA to the t, except that we do not use stupid excuses like malformed DMCA notices...
                                                Ok, so what's stopping you from putting a simple disclaimer into your TOS taking away said privacy of the infringing uploader? Stop all the bullshit "we need a subpoena" crap. Your already verifying email etc, so there is nothing stopping you from taking this next step.
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                                                  • Nathan
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                    • 3108
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Gerco
                                                    Ok, so what's stopping you from putting a simple disclaimer into your TOS taking away said privacy of the infringing uploader? Stop all the bullshit "we need a subpoena" crap. Your already verifying email etc, so there is nothing stopping you from taking this next step.
                                                    Because I do not like it when obvious privacy rights are taken away hidden in some TOS text... Also, it is hard for me to 100% verify that the copyright info is real, so a subpoena will always be required.. if a court tells us to give out user info we have, we will obviously comply.

                                                    Why do you not just upload your videos to the tubes and use them as traffic generation?
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                                                      • 96ukssob
                                                        So Fucking Banananananas
                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 12991
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by SteveLightspeed
                                                        Did this really need a seperate thread?
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                                                          • darksoul
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Apr 2002
                                                            • 4997
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Gerco
                                                            Ok, so what's stopping you from putting a simple disclaimer into your TOS taking away said privacy of the infringing uploader? Stop all the bullshit "we need a subpoena" crap. Your already verifying email etc, so there is nothing stopping you from taking this next step.
                                                            yes, because thats how the law works. You can void any privacy rights with a simple tos
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                                                              • Gerco
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Nov 2005
                                                                • 2052
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                Because I do not like it when obvious privacy rights are taken away hidden in some TOS text... Also, it is hard for me to 100% verify that the copyright info is real, so a subpoena will always be required.. if a court tells us to give out user info we have, we will obviously comply.

                                                                Why do you not just upload your videos to the tubes and use them as traffic generation?
                                                                "Terms and conditions....

                                                                4. Conduct

                                                                You agree that Pornhub shall have the right to determine in its sole and unfettered discretion, what action shall be taken in the event of any discovered or reported violation of the terms and conditions contained herein."

                                                                Looks to me to be the very thing I'm talking about. By this line are you not taking away any rights to privacy anyways? I mean, giving legal owners the information of the infringer, regardless of a subpoena would tend to fall under "sole and unfettered discretion, what action shall be taken".
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                                                                  • Nathan
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                    • 3108
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Gerco, sorry, but we can legally not do what you claim we can... we need a subpoena for it... just because we say we can do what we want, does not mean we can break a LAW...
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                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                        • 52942
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                        Suing random people didn't work for the RIAA or MPAA. They spent almost $30 million last year and had a return of under $4 million.

                                                                        I hope this doesn't bust Steve out in the long run.
                                                                        He's got lawyers doing this on a no win no fee basis. If he loses it costs him nothing, if he wins he's in profit from the first $.

                                                                        How the RIAA or MPAA spent $30 million is beyond me. Isn't this a simple case of getting the IP address and sending out letters? If the person receiving it decides not to pay it's time to go to court. To fight in court cost both sides money. So the pirates that chose to fight are in for a big bill. Those who don't turn up automatically lose, unless a lawyer gets a postponement. Then it's time to receive the checks or send the bailiffs. Who sends the bailiffs, the court or the winner of the damages?

                                                                        RIAA or MPAA probably lost because they didn't enforce the damages.

                                                                        The porn industry has no problem looking like the bad guy, we are already the bad guy. The publicity would be great and put the fear into the pirates.

                                                                        Correct me if I'm wrong as I'm no lawyer. But do it with more than "You don't understand." Like Nathan does.



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                                                                          • stocktrader23
                                                                            Let's do some business.
                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                            • 18781
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                            Wow! You are a real piece of shit. You make a thread knocking the efforts of one of the greats when you yourself are nothing. Here is a big fuck you. Your nothing but a surfer. No wonder you have a green name, you do nothing but flap you mouth like a whore.

                                                                            Let me emphasize the big FUCK YOU!

                                                                            I really wish people like you would just pull your heads out of your assholes and wipe the residue shit from your eyes and see what's really going on. But, my guess is you like being nothing more than that shit hence your reason for a thread like this to begin with.

                                                                            Again... Fuck you asshole.
                                                                            Yes, I'm a surfer because I didn't want to own a porn site during the Bush years.

                                                                            Son, I promoted sites with non nude images and made more money than I knew what to do with. I have always (to this day) been able to find the traffic and convert it better than most, I just do not want a site I have to fuck with 2257 on. That has fuck all to do with making money in this industry, I just leave that bullshit to someone else.


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                                                                              • Gerco
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Nov 2005
                                                                                • 2052
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                Gerco, sorry, but we can legally not do what you claim we can... we need a subpoena for it... just because we say we can do what we want, does not mean we can break a LAW...
                                                                                I agree, one can not do something legally if it's breaking the law... kind of a redundant statement.

                                                                                Correct me if I'm wrong, Under the law I thought that safe harbor was afforded those with user uploaded content who did not monitor said uploaded content and had no control over it?

                                                                                If this was the case, why are these tubes not filled with Beast, CP, Hate, etc? It would seem to me that the very lack of this illegal content would show a direct monitoring and editing going on? How is it that this type of content seems to be completely gone, while another type of illegal activity is allowed to flourish?

                                                                                Look, I'm not just trying to bust your balls here. I actually would simply like a direct strait forward answer.

                                                                                Also, show me where in the LAW users of a porn tube (or any other site) are provided a default blanketing protection to privacy anyways.

                                                                                Said user is already hiding behind an IP etc, So you would really not be giving out all that much, Now, getting the REAL NAME, address etc from that IP, would require said subpoena to the ISP...
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                                                                                  • Gerco
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                                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                                    • 2052
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                    Yes, I'm a surfer because I didn't want to own a porn site during the Bush years.

                                                                                    Son, I promoted sites with non nude images and made more money than I knew what to do with. I have always (to this day) been able to find the traffic and convert it better than most, I just do not want a site I have to fuck with 2257 on. That has fuck all to do with making money in this industry, I just leave that bullshit to someone else.
                                                                                    You have made it very clear that you are not part of this industry. So your points, comments etc, are really meaningless. You have nothing (by your own words) to loose or gain in this fight. In that sense your nothing but that fat kid standing on the sidelines trying to egg it on for your own enjoyment.

                                                                                    Pathetic.
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                                                                                      • Gerco
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                                                                                        • Nov 2005
                                                                                        • 2052
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                        Son, I promoted sites with non nude images and made more money than I knew what to do with.

                                                                                        Let me break this sentence down a little...

                                                                                        Your an affiliate, who only promotes none nude images that some people seem to be willing to spend money on... a lot of money... Now, what types of "clothed" images would that be I wonder...
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                                                                                          • fuzebox
                                                                                            making it rain
                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                            • 22351
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                            Why do you not just upload your videos to the tubes and use them as traffic generation?
                                                                                            For some reason all of my videos never got listed on the larger tube sites... Funny since the uploads are un-monitered...

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                                                                                              • Robbie
                                                                                                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                • 20960
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by gerco
                                                                                                let me break this sentence down a little...

                                                                                                Your an affiliate, who only promotes none nude images that some people seem to be willing to spend money on... A lot of money... Now, what types of "clothed" images would that be i wonder...
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                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                    Why do you not just upload your videos to the tubes and use them as traffic generation?
                                                                                                    So if I upload a video clip with a clear URL in the start and end it will go up, as you don't monitor the uploads.



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                                                                                                      • The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                        Living The Dream
                                                                                                        • Jun 2009
                                                                                                        • 19786
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Steve is doing the right thing. I have Sexxy Brandon and MILF Mia and Amazing Cleo and Chubby Blondy and a shitload of others, and I spend countless hours getting their shit taken down and it's still all over the fucking web. Robbie is right in his fight just as Steve is right in his. I support them both (tho neither needs me to say a thing about their biz).

                                                                                                        Tubes should be held to the same laws as any other content provider (radio, tv, certain websites). Stealing is stealing so let's stop with all this defending of (illegal) tubes, shall we?
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                                                                                                          • stocktrader23
                                                                                                            Let's do some business.
                                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                                            • 18781
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by MisterPeabody
                                                                                                            Steve is doing the right thing. I have Sexxy Brandon and MILF Mia and Amazing Cleo and Chubby Blondy and a shitload of others, and I spend countless hours getting their shit taken down and it's still all over the fucking web. Robbie is right in his fight just as Steve is right in his. I support them both (tho neither needs me to say a thing about their biz).

                                                                                                            Tubes should be held to the same laws as any other content provider (radio, tv, certain websites). Stealing is stealing so let's stop with all this defending of (illegal) tubes, shall we?
                                                                                                            All you've said is that illegal tubes are bad but you can't do shit about them with the current laws. Steve is suing torrent users, I doubt he's suing people streaming vids on tube sites.


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                                                                                                              • Stephen
                                                                                                                Consigliere
                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                • 1771
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by SteveLightspeed
                                                                                                                Actually, Jordan Capri is sitting on my lap right now, and Tawnee Stone is in my kitchen fixing me a nice meal.
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                                                                                                                  • Nathan
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                    • 3108
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                    So if I upload a video clip with a clear URL in the start and end it will go up, as you don't monitor the uploads.
                                                                                                                    Uhm.. no idea what you are trying to tell me... but....

                                                                                                                    http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1727395752

                                                                                                                    video added today...
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                                                                                                                      • Nathan
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                                                                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                        • 3108
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                                                                        I agree, one can not do something legally if it's breaking the law... kind of a redundant statement.

                                                                                                                        Correct me if I'm wrong, Under the law I thought that safe harbor was afforded those with user uploaded content who did not monitor said uploaded content and had no control over it?

                                                                                                                        If this was the case, why are these tubes not filled with Beast, CP, Hate, etc? It would seem to me that the very lack of this illegal content would show a direct monitoring and editing going on? How is it that this type of content seems to be completely gone, while another type of illegal activity is allowed to flourish?

                                                                                                                        Look, I'm not just trying to bust your balls here. I actually would simply like a direct strait forward answer.
                                                                                                                        Actually, you are mistaken. DMCA law clearly states that content can be REMOVED under certain scenarios, like for example illegal content. What we are not allowed to do is for example out of 400 videos take 10 and throw away the rest simply because we do not like them... Meaning SELECTING is not allowed. If we have good reason to believe that a certain video is INFRINGING (please, I did NOT say COPYRIGHTED), we are not allowed to let it go up.

                                                                                                                        Also, show me where in the LAW users of a porn tube (or any other site) are provided a default blanketing protection to privacy anyways.

                                                                                                                        Said user is already hiding behind an IP etc, So you would really not be giving out all that much, Now, getting the REAL NAME, address etc from that IP, would require said subpoena to the ISP...
                                                                                                                        General privacy laws say that identifiable information, which includes the ip address, can not be openly shared with others. That is the whole point of privacy laws. Identifiable information. Which is why for example tracking cookies are ok to share for advertisers, since you can not call anyone and ask them what name is behind that cookie.

                                                                                                                        Also, regardless of all this. Sending a DMCA notice is no proof that you own the copyright. Which is why its not enough to get the info of an uploader. Only a court can decide if the uploader really broke the law. If you send fake DMCA notices to sites, which you had no right to, the site will have the ability to sue you over this too.
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                                                                                                                          • ottopottomouse
                                                                                                                            She is ugly, bad luck.
                                                                                                                            • Jan 2010
                                                                                                                            • 13177
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                            How the RIAA or MPAA spent $30 million is beyond me
                                                                                                                            $3 million on paperwork. $27 million on lawyers wives spending habits.

                                                                                                                            Lawyers aren't going to take on something huge like that on a no-win no-fee basis.
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                                                                                                                              • Gerco
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                • 2052
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                                                Actually, you are mistaken. DMCA law clearly states that content can be REMOVED under certain scenarios, like for example illegal content. What we are not allowed to do is for example out of 400 videos take 10 and throw away the rest simply because we do not like them... Meaning SELECTING is not allowed. If we have good reason to believe that a certain video is INFRINGING (please, I did NOT say COPYRIGHTED), we are not allowed to let it go up.
                                                                                                                                You didn't say copyrighted... but it's not called "Copyright INFRINGEMENT" for nothing...

                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                                                General privacy laws say that identifiable information, which includes the ip address, can not be openly shared with others. That is the whole point of privacy laws. Identifiable information. Which is why for example tracking cookies are ok to share for advertisers, since you can not call anyone and ask them what name is behind that cookie.
                                                                                                                                I'm still looking for the specific law you are referring to. If it's out there please share. I see laws that prevent the ISP's from giving out personal information... but nothing directly stating a group of sites like yours, or even mine couldn't.

                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                                                Also, regardless of all this. Sending a DMCA notice is no proof that you own the copyright. Which is why its not enough to get the info of an uploader. Only a court can decide if the uploader really broke the law. If you send fake DMCA notices to sites, which you had no right to, the site will have the ability to sue you over this too.
                                                                                                                                Yes, is you issue a fake DMCA you are breaking the law.
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                                                                                                                                  • candyflip
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                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 43069
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                                                    Sucks being jealous huh?
                                                                                                                                    Jealous that you got a job and title for working with what most perceive to be the scum of the industry.

                                                                                                                                    Yeah, totally jealous.

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                                                                                                                                      • Robbie
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                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                        • 20960
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by ottopottomouse
                                                                                                                                        $3 million on paperwork. $27 million on lawyers wives spending habits.

                                                                                                                                        Lawyers aren't going to take on something huge like that on a no-win no-fee basis.
                                                                                                                                        They already are and are already making money. This is low hanging fruit. Especially when you go to pornbb and other surfer forums where the guy who did the upload is BRAGGING about it and then thousands of little surfer/thieves are in that same thread identifying themselves and saying "thanks" as they download it


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                                                                                                                                          • Deej
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                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2005
                                                                                                                                            • 24386
                                                                                                                                            #85
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                                                                                                                                              • SteveLightspeed
                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 7940
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Nice thread backfire. Thanks to everyone for the support.

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                                                                                                                                                  • 2012
                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking What
                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                    • 17189
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by SteveLightspeed
                                                                                                                                                    Why aren't you doing these things yourself then? I've never even heard of your solo models.
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                                                                                    Honest answer, I'm way too lazy to deal with all of the laws covering porn so I never put my own sites online.


                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Agent 488
                                                                                                                                                    you admittedly have nothing to do with adult but some non-executed ideas so fuck off.
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                                                                                                                                                      • Chezter
                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2008
                                                                                                                                                        • 565
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by SteveLightspeed
                                                                                                                                                        Actually, Jordan Capri is sitting on my lap right now, and Tawnee Stone is in my kitchen fixing me a nice meal.
                                                                                                                                                        I used to masturbate so much to Tawnee Stone pics when I was sixteen Good luck with those lawsuits. Maybe one day this business will get in some more normal state than it is now. Internet is still very new thing and the law always needs time. Big part of USA was once wild west with almost no laws and now.. I'm sure that after some time it will not be so easy to steal on the internet so much. It needs only strong lobby, if politicians will be pushing such laws, after some time it will work.

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                                                                                                                                                          • Tjeezers
                                                                                                                                                            Webmaster
                                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                                                            • 16602
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by SteveLightspeed
                                                                                                                                                            Actually, Jordan Capri is sitting on my lap right now, and Tawnee Stone is in my kitchen fixing me a nice meal.
                                                                                                                                                            i`ll take that for a NO right now

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                                                                                                                                                              • Gerco
                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                                • 2052
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Here is a perfect example.

                                                                                                                                                                http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=221444912

                                                                                                                                                                Can anyone guess who's content this is? Can anyone tell me who the girls are in this? I can since it's mine. I didn't uploaded it, it has been stripped of the Watermark that would normally be on it back to Extremehole.

                                                                                                                                                                Clear case of Copyright Infringement.

                                                                                                                                                                Nice that I didn't get a single hit of traffic from the 736746 views it's gotten so far....

                                                                                                                                                                Note the User who uploaded it... "anonymous" http://www.pornhub.com/users/anonymous A user who has uploaded 40,147 (public) videos, 11,765 (private) videos... Who would this "user" be?
                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by Gerco; 09-16-2010, 02:18 PM.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                                                                    Living The Dream
                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                    • 19786
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                                                                                                    All you've said is that illegal tubes are bad but you can't do shit about them with the current laws. Steve is suing torrent users, I doubt he's suing people streaming vids on tube sites.
                                                                                                                                                                    Agreed. I sounded like a glorified FatFoo on that one. LOL Yes, torrent sites are differant than tubes but suing people for illegal activity is still a good idea as long as we still live in a society based on the Rule of Law.

                                                                                                                                                                    Haha! Okay - fuck that reasoning. Dems and Repubs are proving there's only "law" for the little guys, like me.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • epitome
                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Lame
                                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                        • 12156
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                                                                                                        As it would appear in this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                        http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=987547

                                                                                                                                                                        It just annoys the shit out of me to see you fall from grace like this. You had the girls, you had the notoriety and most importantly you had the fucking traffic. You could have easily done something GREAT if you could stop getting pissed at the way things are and just work with what you have. Instead you are shooting yourself in the foot with a fucking rocket launcher and bragging about it the entire time.

                                                                                                                                                                        Posting now for future reference, your shame and sue campaign will be an epic failure. Not only that, but you will singlehandedly ruin any chance you have of doing something amazing with your efforts.

                                                                                                                                                                        It's fucking sad, and you are way too hardheaded to stop.

                                                                                                                                                                        Why? It works for all of the studios that sue the pirates and get big judgments. Then their lawyers go after the assets or work out a smaller cash deal.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • BFT3K
                                                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                                            • 10764
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                                                                                                                            Here is a perfect example.

                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=221444912

                                                                                                                                                                            Can anyone guess who's content this is? Can anyone tell me who the girls are in this? I can since it's mine. I didn't uploaded it, it has been stripped of the Watermark that would normally be on it back to Extremehole.

                                                                                                                                                                            Clear case of Copyright Infringement.

                                                                                                                                                                            Nice that I didn't get a single hit of traffic from the 736746 views it's gotten so far....

                                                                                                                                                                            Note the User who uploaded it... "anonymous" http://www.pornhub.com/users/anonymous A user who has uploaded 40,147 (public) videos, 11,765 (private) videos... Who would this "user" be?
                                                                                                                                                                            That is so wrong, and yet it just keeps on going on, day after day.

                                                                                                                                                                            The blood boils...
                                                                                                                                                                            Last edited by BFT3K; 09-16-2010, 03:11 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                                                                Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                • 32447
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                                                                                                                                I wouldn't give two shits if someone told my wife. If someone from this IP was surfing trannies, it was her.
                                                                                                                                                                                That is like saying Mark Cuban or even Steve Lightspeed is just a programmer a few years ago... Which all three were...

                                                                                                                                                                                So, Nathan... Are you saying that you only fill your tubes with content given to you with permission from the studios supplying said content? Or are you still allowing surfers to upload 1,000 of pirated videos are hiding behind safe harbor laws?

                                                                                                                                                                                I ask because it would seem that if you can do things without using the uploaded content, it'd be a win-win... You still have the largest tubes with hundreds of licensed videos and now nobody is getting screwed because you are sending joins for that content or just a lump sum payment.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Nathan
                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 3108
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Gerco, video will be gone tomorrow. Note the added date of 1 year ago, I did not own this back then..

                                                                                                                                                                                    As I have said in the past, and say over and over again, we are working on various changes. If you can not accept that those do not happen overnight, I can not help you.

                                                                                                                                                                                    candyflip, you are hilarious. I had some respect for you before, but that you actually follow the mob of idiots saying I am some kind of a puppet actually quite disqualifies you.

                                                                                                                                                                                    V_Rocks, same goes for you actually. I am not hiding behind anything... I'm in plain sight. And no, it would not be a win-win. Why, that is for me to know, and for you to find out.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I am not going to let myself get dragged into a useless discussion about the principles of DMCA. I am continuing my current route, and at some point will arrive at my end goal.

                                                                                                                                                                                    When these changes take place, will be announced.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I am nolonger going to react to the trolls that are just jealous, some of which know me personally or at least met me before in person (like V_Rocks) and can just not accept or not understand that there actually are hard working people here...

                                                                                                                                                                                    I particularly love the idiots who honestly seem to somehow think that since I have money I should be some dickhead who never again posts on GFY... hilarious.
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Sid70
                                                                                                                                                                                        Downshifter
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 16413
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        I like Tawnee big time.
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • stocktrader23
                                                                                                                                                                                            Let's do some business.
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 18781
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                                                                                                                                            Let me break this sentence down a little...

                                                                                                                                                                                            Your an affiliate, who only promotes none nude images that some people seem to be willing to spend money on... a lot of money... Now, what types of "clothed" images would that be I wonder...
                                                                                                                                                                                            Nonsexual and silly candid shots of webcam models. Any questions?


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                                                                                                                                                                                              • SteveLightspeed
                                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 7940
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Stephen
                                                                                                                                                                                                It's good to be King -- keep it up, Steve
                                                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by SteveLightspeed; 09-16-2010, 06:06 PM.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • gleem
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 5593
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Good for Steve, it's his biz, he can protect it the way he sees fit. Only people I see complaining are the ones with tube sites themselves.




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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Sergio Payingsolutions
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 146
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nothing like a 'great' look at me thread that serves no purpose than the OP wanting attention.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I still don't quite understand what it is you want, are you hoping Steve shows you the way of how to make money? Are you an affiliate waiting to send to his websites? What the fuck?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have to say the only thing keeping me from branching out to other areas of porn is getting a headache trying to figure out how to make something that can compete with tubes. What Steve is doing should only be lauded, what harm is he doing? I'm sure the good will he's gaining from fellow webmasters is only part of the many positives.
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