ICQ: 1-5-0-9-0/8-3-8-7 (minus the -'s and /)

And remember the new $50k rule :)

J/k.. but the more I think about it now, the more I think I should probably refrain from doing any SE work with anyone like this.
SE stuff isn't even our specialty.. or what we are going to be doing in this industry. Hosting is.

Someone posted something about trying to sell a adult design domain for $12,000 with a few site templates on it (it was pseudo-turnkey business I spose.. but.. uh?? 12K?) but he backed up the pricing with the whole SE ranking stuff.. #7 on google... made me :1orglaugh, because I know how easy it would be to snag that #1 if I was determined to get it... if #7 is worth $12k, then #1 would be worth what? --- and that was my question & original thought for starting this thread... was more wondering about the SEO industry than trying to spam some service... if anything I wanted to mess around with someone BIG who would reward me nicely for getting him the positions he wanted. But instead people started right out the gate talking trash and suggesting I'm a crook. Oh well.

Soon enough people will know otherwise :winkwink:

I just go into defensive mode when people start talking trash to me & saying I don't know what I'm talking about when I do. Anyway, I hope I didn't offend anyone too deeply today. And if I did I sure didn't mean too :)

And NotJoe... that doesnt apply to you... you and I are boxin as soon as I get ahold of Don King to hook it up. :1orglaugh


oh and )100!

My first thread that got to 100 posts.. should I be proud? lol

So that is a "no". You have no #1 rankings for competitive keywords. You read a board, you looked at a few #1 listings and you think you know how.

Those who can work the SE's do, those who can't, read SE forums and call themselves SEO's.

No one can guarantee a #1 ranking on Google.
Beware of SEO's that claim to guarantee rankings, or that claim a "special relationship" with Google, or that claim to have a "priority submit" to Google. There is no priority submit for Google. In fact, the only way to submit a site to Google directly is by using the page at http://www.google.com/addurl.html. You can do this yourself at no cost whatsoever.

Be careful if a company is secretive or won't clearly explain what they intend to do.
Ask for explanations if something is unclear. If an SEO creates deceptive or misleading content on your behalf, such as doorway pages or "throwaway" domains, your site could be removed entirely from Google's index. Ultimately, you are responsible for the actions of any companies you hire, so it's best to be sure you know exactly how they intend to "help" you.

You should never have to link to an SEO.
Avoid SEOs that talk about the power of "free-for-all" links, link popularity schemes, or submitting your site to thousands of search engines. These are typically useless exercises that do not affect your ranking in the results of the major search engines. At least, not in a way you would likely consider to be positive.

Some SEOs may try to sell you the ability to type keywords directly into the browser address bar.
Most such proposals require users to install extra software, and very few users do so. Evaluate such proposals with extreme care and be skeptical about the self-reported number of users who have downloaded the required applications.

goBigtime, i hope you're not using last technique from the described above :thumbsup

source: http://www.google.com/webmasters/seo.html

EDIT: http://www.google.com/addurl.html w/o "." at the end :)

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Just think BigTime.. You got your first 100 post thread, made $0 dollars, and completely ruined any reputation you may have thought you had while you sleep.

Congratufuckinglatiions brother!

btw, I know how to make people fly. I watched a bird, read a few books on birds, and it can be done. Of course, I've never flown myself, but that's besides the point.

If anyone here wants to know how to fly based on what I think, hit me up. You'll never need your car again.

goBigtime, how about high ranking all graphix and/or all flash site at the top position on google? won't use text :Graucho

hehehe-

This thread is hilarious...if someone knew how to get a number one ranking, why wouldn' you just optimize a site for every imaginable keyword phrase and make more money than you can stack?

I read alot, especially Danny Sullivans suff, and work hard at trying to stay current. The fact is that googles algorhythm changes dramatically from month to month.

Example- two months ago my TGP was #10 under thumbnail gallery posts....I had worked pretty hard tweeking it and gotten some good results...today, and I haven' done anything but add galleries, it is in google hell....I can't find it in the top 1000...

PR is one of more than fifty weighted variables in the google algothythm which changes at very regular intervals.

They have developed some pretty sophisticated methods for detecting cloaking scripts...so you are left with trying to analyze the top listings and develop some mathematical correlations that might be useful.

GRSeo, which is a great company for learning and dowloading algorythms, got booted out of google for cloaking.

It isn't hard to get a top 100 ranking if you are pretty competant SEO person, but I would bet a that getting a 1-10 ranking under a real term, say "asian porn" is nothing but a pipedream. Allot of the really good ranking that I have I got by accident on a keyword I wasn't even optimizing for. Also, time the site has been up on the web with the same IP number is one of the variables. You are not going to plop your ass in the number one spot on a productive keyword in a month. Unless you pick a term like "midget basket weaving"

Read the thread... we've gone over this already.



But just for fun.... we'll bring it all back downhill now and try to squeeze out another 100 posts... Yes! Caught me fatPad.
I made all up completely. I haven't a clue. What is google?

Sorry for wasting everyones time.

What's to expose?

I asked if you actually had any #1 rankings for competitive keywords.

You told me you reverse engineered a few listings, read a few forums.

Basically, you're selling something you don't know if you can do.

Any retard can read a google forum and look at #1 ranked sites. Stop trying to scam newbies and go get a #1 ranking before you try selling your ability to get #1 rankings.

yeah, i read all of his stuff for years.

and of course, if you could get all the number 1 listings, you'd be making truly insane money, and would not be talking about it here. duh. any other business you had would be taking a very quick backseat lol.

Nope. It's none of that. It's all in the thread.

But I'm not telling anyone the other half of it all... so until I do it myself (and it takes ~2-3 months to get listed) I'll have no proof.

So flame away if thats appropriate.

Quiet - would it? I've never really expierienced SE traffic. I have a friend that used to make a mint off Yahoo. But I guess one of the reasons I was dancing on the edge of sharing it all is because I have no idea how good the traffic is. I've HEARD its the best...

Maybe I'll mess with. I probably could have got a couple good 2 word phrases in the works today instead of posting all this.

Anyway the Hosting thing we are working on is a big project for us, I would rather do this than mess around with paysites, content & processors these days.

But again... I am not offering ANY services here anymore. I give up, I gave the people reading this thread soooo much information its probably making some of the guys that work google positioning sick just thinking about it.

I'm sure this thread gave birth to at least a couple ideas for newbie googlers.

FatPAD. Look.. I'm not trying to SCAM anyone.

I AM NOT OFFERING ANY SEO SERVICES - :321GFY

I would think Any retard could also have read that I have said this numerous times already. Rather than hoarding all of the information, I have given MANY clues to newbies. If you have not been able to figure it out, I understand why you might be upset.

But don't just sit and talk trash about me or my business ethics when you really don't know where I'm coming from with this.

If I would have done ANYTHING with anyone on this (which I absolutely will NOT now) then it would have been with someone that I felt was an honest, larger player in the industry... and I would have setup my own site using the keywords that the person wanted to target & then send the traffic over to him on some monthly payment deal.. I'm talking like it would have been ONE person for an expierment.

I still might do something like that in fact... with someone we all know and love, but that would be the only person at this point.

Anyone who really read the thread and is master at LEGIT positioning knows I know what I'm talking about here. Think about it... SOMEBODY has #1, 2 and 3 positions at google... do you think it was on accident that they got those spots? Some fluke due to the latest algo flip? :1orglaugh Cmon.

The bottom line is some people know how to LEGITIMATELY work google and some dont. I understand that I can't "officially" say that I am a person who can work google & the only reason for that is because I havent touched it yet. But knowing what I know about it and spending the amount of time that I have RESEARCHING and taking notes on the subject, and developing the ways I would go about getting the positioning, I personally know I can.

And this is making everyone :feels-hot :feels-hot MAD AS HELL for some reason. Despite that fact that I've damn near given everyone everything but the traffic itself.

Naaaaaah it'll work out nice Socks you'll see :thumbsup

Huh?

Oh boy - don't you love the way this guy goes for the sympathy vote and turns himself into a martyr.

He keeps talking about getting flamed and abused - heck I'd hate to see how he would react if someone really did turn the blowtorch on him.

The fact is that several of us have challenged him about where his listings sit and he's avoided the question everytime.

One good thing has come out of the thread for my partner and me though. We actually went and had a look at some of the keywords we target for lesser terms and found we have more page one listings than we thought :)

BTW Fatpad I'm paypalling your the money for my first flying lesson - I've got more faith in you than I have in this search engine guru - anyone who lives thousands of miles from me and can still manage to interupt my sex life must have a clue about something.

LOL

This is what's funny about this thread. :) You're trying to act as if you know how to do it, when you don't. You haven't done it yet. This is why everyone is making fun of you.

"I CAN GET #1 RANKINGS ON GOOGLE!"

"Have you ever done it?"

"No....but I read a bunch of stuff, did some research, checked out some #1 ranked sites...I know I can do that, too".

You're trying to sound like an expert in something you have never done.

You're one of those people who watches Tiger Woods golf and think it's easy or watched Michael Jordan dunk and think you can do it, too, aren't you?

Stop trying to sound like an expert in something you know zilch about and people will stop flaming you on your own thread.

HAHAHA

Someone mentioned this already... this was a BAAAAD thread to start. Initially I was thinking I would work with someone and mess around with google a little for a few days, secure some positions to be posted in the next update or two and get back to my own projects....

Then I get all the crazy :feels-hot :feels-hot :feels-hot flames and personal attacks and stuff... so I say fuckit.

Now, I feel stupid because I have to defend myself here and in doing so its coming off as "I can do this and you cant & I'm not doing it for nobody now - NYAH!" And that's not at all what I inititally intended.

It's just hard for me to sit back and take it when someone sais "Your a retard bigtime! You don't know shit"

So heres another plan I guess... show me your positioning.

Tell me why/where anything I have said is inaccurate and does not apply for top google ranking, and SHOW us yours.....

The funny thing is after going through this thread today... I know for a damn fact I could dump the WHOLE THING, in a how-to text file on this thread, complete with various workable ideas of how to get the top positions.... and people would STILL complain just to complain because some wouldn't get it.

No ....... the fact is cobber that you don't know shit until you've tried. You might say you do and you might think you do but until you've made the first attempt you don't know diddly.

And as for things happening on the 'flip of the algorithm' as you put it .......... I can tell you for a fact that it certainly does. It's happened to Letshunt and it has happened to my partner. After the December dance her link list dropped from the #1 position for a good term down to #7 and she had not done any tweaking to the site at all.

So cock - take a lesson from those who have experienced it - and from those who have even written about it in other forums - the Google algorithm can turn you from a rooster one moment into a feather duster the next.

Hardly. I've mentioned about 3 times now that I have NEVER touched the SE's with aims to get positioning. I havent ever looked at the other ones. But what makes google "the best" engine out there, is also what makes it most posionable. I've said it a ton already -- LEGITIMATE RANKING.

Look at the legitimate sites in the top positions. How did they get there. Why are they ranked above certain other sites when at first glance you would think they shouldn't be etc.

Lol this thread is making me nuts now.... I wish some of the REAL google workers would come out and say something to keep me from busting this thing wide open.


Give me a list. Since your so sure I'll have no effect on your rankings.... If they are big enough maybe I'll take bump you.... :Graucho

Google will penalize you if your site stays static for too long.


NEXT.

That's odd. I've had several pages at #1 for my target keywords for 6 months now and they never get changed.

Good job. :thumbsup

But won't that throw off the key word density of the page when you alter it?

Take a look at my site Bigtime, lemme know what you think then.. If you have some serious suggestions people might give you some credit. I can't say I've studied much about google but we get over 2,000 visitors from search engines every day, mostly from Google. I think our front page has a PR=5

hehe. yup, i have several #1 combo listings for at least 9 months solid. and the pages have never been touched...

Her keyword had more competition than yours.

Either your keyword is in lower demand, or you are so far ahead of the pack they haven't been able to touch you.

I would be more than happy to obliterate your SE rankings FatPAD... of course you'll have to wait a couple months before you feel the pain, and I'll only do it if your in the top 3 for a decent word. But man.. after all the shit your giving me? It would be a pleasure.

You too Steve... I think I've already made the same offer to you.

Give me your BEST ranking.

Yea. I'll be sure to send you a list of my #1 ranked pages.

Go check your email...it'll be there real soon. Promise.

FatPad - Logical posts are not welcome here!

Check your competition quiet... with the dollar amounts you mentioned IBill owing you, I'm guessing you know your stuff a little more than the average person in this thread.

Probably more than me even :)

But check your competition... odds are if you've held that position that long with a 100% static page that has been unchanged, then you are leaps and bounds ahead of your competition.

Give me the url... I'll check it out :)...

passive offer for you quiet... much respect to the $500k ibill reserve :1orglaugh


(Note to lurkers: Nobody is giving me urls. wtf? If I am so clueless to this stuff, what do they have to worry about?)

Hey Quiet, just pass on your urls. From what I have heard, you need all the help you can get:arcadefre :arcadefre :arcadefre :arcadefre

But you were demanding mine earlier.

What would you have said if I had said "Yeah I got #1's to no end... show you one? Yea. I'll be sure to send you a list of my #1 ranked pages. Go check your email...it'll be there real soon. Promise."


Really, I want bump your #1 position. I will. Promise. I've been saying I will this whole time and you've done nothing but attack me... so theres your personal challenge FatPAD, put up or shut up.

Steve? You up for the challenge too?

You sure did talk a lot of shit there yourself.

I'll bump you positions with my own within 90 days... and you wont get em back.. not without complaining like hell to google and sending them the link to this thread or something. And even then it will be hard, because they will be 100% legit rankings.

Last I heard, Quiet was about to go back to waiting tables

LOL

A) I am not here promising to get people #1 rankings on Google for whatever keyword(s) they want.

B) What possible incentive could I have to show my #1 ranked pages to a dumbass n00b who doesn't even know what SE traffic is worth?

C) You want to shut everyone up? Go get #1 for FREE PORN.

See you in three months. :)

And on this note, I have 200k/day SE hits I want to sell for 20 bucks. I'd go into more detail, but the Easter Bunny and I are off for cocktails.....

This is why I keep reading GFY
:thumbsup

I'll give you :2 cents:
If you get me top for "Free Porn"

:thumbsup