Something you idiots don't understand about this industry 'getting rid of the rif raf'.

Garce owned your ass metaman... hahahaha

I dont come here much but all the threads ive seen with metaman talking is just GARBAGE.

What sites do you actually run? I would like to see why you think your such hot shit.

At this time I get people to the front door of a program. If they do not like how I get them to the front door tell me what I am doing wrong and I will fix it or they can fire me. Period.

If programs want to do away with affiliates then that is their choice. I say in the long term they will regret it. One program that says they are #1 nude site in the world looks to be expanding their affiliate program I wonder why they are doing that!

Well anyways This is an open forum that anyone can join. I am posting in a thread that is called fucking around and Program discussions. I was entering into a conversation about opinions on a subject. Not an expert panel of discussions just throwing thoughts back and forth. When I was called out and stomped on. That seems to be the norm at GFY. If you are a newbie you are scum for some of the old grumps to kick around.

Well old grumps I have this to say. Ya all do not know everything Like ya think ya do. If you all were experts the adult business might not be in such bad shape. But I will voice my opinion here as I feel I can ad to a conversation. And for the some that want to get all puffed up and mad, Go Fuck Yourself....

If you had a billboard on the moon that could be read from earth you would be the rich. An internet business is much the same. If you create a place in the vastness of cyberspace that many come by regularly then you will have done just as a billboard on the moon. And people will pay to share that spot in all of cyberspace. That's my business plan. Period.

Ya all have a good day I have to go to work...

Talk about an useless argument...

Agreed, awesome thread!!! Like with any business you have to first get lucky with getting exposure so you can be successful, then comes more hard-work managing and growing the biz and then the last, most impotant part is still innovating, coming up with new ideas to stay on top and adapting your biz for the current market/times... it's that last bit that bites people in the ass I think! ;-)

Well said fine sire.


It always cracks me up how people admit, especially in this industry and on this forum, and more a less BRAG about stealing software, music, movies, and anything they can get their hands on in regards to the internet. Then when THEY are stolen from, get all high and mighty playing the high horse card.

Pure comedy.

all coming from morons that have nothing to do with adult anyway. go spew this shit on digital point.

This seems to sum up the happenings of the last 18 months.

This industry is full of mercenaries. It always has been. Always will be.

The only difference is a few more are getting exposed as their house of cards collapse. No worries though sport. They will be back in a few month with a new dancing chicken, and then Sheeple will flock to them all over again.

It has worked for a decade, and will keep working.

ya he owned me by not disproving what is fact lol.

you people can keep running lemonade stands. I'm giving you all a fair warning about the state of this industry. It sucks but i got mine a couple years ago and it changed my life. Literally changed it.

You don't have to listen to me. But if you cannot look around and understand what is going on there is no hope for you.

you, garce and all other affiliates (including myself) can beat our drums as much as we want but it doesnt change anything.

I decided to get ORGANIZED with my business. It's the only thing that is going to save people out of these times. You can choose to look the other way or not that is really up to you. the days of lemonade stands are gone.

as for my sites. why would i tell you? i would rather have you people not listen to anything i say. Watch from the shadows and rip all your traffic when no one is left.

sounds like a better plan to me. the more i speak truth the more people do the opposite on here. it rules.

Agreed JD, classic!

Dosn't have to go "extremely private" Programs need to put more effort into affiliate program management. Fewer affiliates under a stricter regime. Details on how this should work is still to be worked out. During the last five years I have been denied an affiliate account (only) 2 times and you know what? I now really respect those guys because at the time I didn't have anything to bring to the table. They where managing their brand.

Not that it matters but my opinion of you just went up. Peace!

It is indeed sire.

Which is part of the reason the Adult Net is in the shitter. For every sponsor ripping off customers there are 100s of affiliates sending him traffic because the sponsor is ripping off customers to pay them more than the next guy.

Stopped reading at this point because the posted is clueless. Affiliates don't get paid until a sign up happens. That's an entirely different thing to not costing money. Go think about it.

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With posts like that and others you can see the problems of this industry. It can be blamed in short on "Short term greed and thinking." These are some of the ways this industry fucked itself.

1. Putting too much emphasis on getting traffic. And too little emphasis on keeping the customer satisfied.

This could be seen from the early days of people buying content for a site as cheap as they could and spending the bulk of their money promoting the site. That attitude still exists today. Prices paid for the actual product that keep people buying are too low. The result is "Pulp Porn". Repetitive garbage with little innovation and imagination.

You need something worth buying to keep selling it to a repeat buying audience.

2. Short term greed.

For every sponsor short changing or ripping off customers there are 100s if not 1,000s of affiliates sending him traffic. They bare a lot of the responsibility for customers not trusting us.

Even today I saw a thread about a Dating site being sued for misleading (conning) customers. The attitude of many was the customer is easy prey. Seems so long as the affiliate earns there's no problem. Truth of the problem can be seen in your stats.

3. Short term thinking.

Few in this industry think further ahead than next months paycheck. Even big earners don't, not only those who have to worry about paying the rent next month.

Throwing up increasing amounts of free porn was self defeating. It used to be said loudly a few years ago about TGPs giving too much away. Seemed no one was listening. Nearly every sponsor has put maximum effort in getting as much free porn on the Net as fast as they could. Even now I see Chameleon has a tool to automate Tube submissions. It's a race to see who can load the Internet with the most free porn.

Few did anything to combat Tube sites 2-3 years ago, even though it was clear they would ruin the industry. Many affiliates kept sending traffic to sponsors who were advertising on Tube sites. If affiliates in big numbers had cut off the traffic to these guys Tubes would of withered. They could afford to run because companies like AFF were advertising and affiliates were still ending AFF traffic. Now look where you are.

I know traffic is important, but not to the level we place it. Many of the problems we face today are due to the attitude of traffic being the be all and end all. All industries need to promote and sell their products, few spend as much as we do on that promotion.

In business there is a cost for everything, that's a given. But it has been pointed out in this thread that some programs maybe be eliminating affiliates and going to just in house promotion. I cannot see where that will be cheaper in the long run.

1. Putting too much emphasis on getting traffic. And too little emphasis on
keeping the customer satisfied.

When affiliate marketing started was that not the founding principal. To have affiliates promote and increase traffic to a program. So that the program could spend more of it's efforts on building a better program to keep customers. And if what you just said in #1 above is true that too little emphasis was put on keeping the customer happy. Then how is getting rid of affiliates going to improve the success of a program?

I do not have an extensive knowledge of the adult business. But I do have years of experience operating a business. And the basic business principles I have followed over the years do not seem to apply to many in the adult business.

What is really ironic is when I clicked the post message button just now I had to re-login. Well this is ironic because there was a big ad from adult.com for Affiliates. Interesting..

paul has disconnected from reason and reality a long time ago. his insights into the adult business are just as valid as a homeless guy eating his snot at burger king.

Yes and getting customers is a valid investment in all businesses. But when getting those customers costs too much and and needs of the marketing section are to the detriment of customers it's going to end up badly. This can be clearly seen in the level of content quality and ripping off customers. And other things stated.

Not quite sure what you meant here. Here's my reply to what I think you're saying.

Over the 12 years I've been doing business I've been asked many times to shoot custom. Often for ridiculously low amounts. This has led to sites full of content shot too fast, on low budgets and by people who weren't skilled at porn. So no sponsors often didn't put the needs of the customer first.

If getting rid of out sourced affiliates leads to cheaper marketing, then maybe the sponsor will have more to spend on what's inside the site. Though I doubt it now as many are doing it now to stay afloat. What ever the reason, the fact that they are moving to in house traffic generation shows it's cheaper and more effective.

They do apply. In the past the rising traffic numbers combined with the customer having few options led to people thinking the don't.

Another expense for getting affiliates before a single sign up arrives.

Which means the adult industry is booming and we have nothing to worry about.

Or you're a complete idiot, as the adult industry isn't booming and many are struggling to survive.

Now I wonder which one is right?

What ever people say the industry is in trouble and no one seems to have a clue how to put it right.

I don't mind a little herd thinning. I've weathered every shitstorm that's ever blown through this business, and I'll weather this one as well.


I've been saying it from day one, that that is one of the largest if not the largest bane this industry faces.

Well Put!

And thus the open sharing of thoughts on the matter in forums such as this. Is healthy for everyone.